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[#] Fri Sep 08 2023 18:03:27 EDT from Nurb432

Subject: Re: Unable to delete messages

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Nevermind. delete this ( no pun )..  i was thinking the wrong post

I should go to bed.

Fri Sep 08 2023 18:02:38 EDT from Nurb432 Subject: Re: Unable to delete messages

I dont think he wants to delete he wants to mark as read, and its not working like it did for me in the GUI, after the purger went sideways.



 



[#] Fri Sep 08 2023 18:06:36 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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One of the advantage of moving to an SQL backend like Postgres is that

it would do full-text indexing for you, possibly better than a

True. We would have to consider that carefully though, because it would create a dependency. I know that our current indexer is sort of naive. It gets the job done, but it's not ultra-sophisticated. I suppose we could go to "you don't get indexing unless you use so-and-so backend" if we get to that point.

And that's the issue in general with the whole SQL database thing: how to keep supporting the thousands of existing Citadel installations that are currently running the Berkeley DB back end while developing features that require a SQL back end. It isn't going to be easy.

That doesn't mean I'm not willing to do it, but it is -- as they say in business jargon -- "a big lift".

[#] Fri Sep 08 2023 18:13:31 EDT from s3cr3to to Citadel_Support <room_Citadel_Support@uncensored.citadel.org>

Subject: Re: Unable to delete messages

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Many browsers (firefox, chrome) can save protection settings for each site; like allowing or disallowing pop-ups and so on.
Maybe this is your case and you should delete/reset those settings for the webcit page.
In firefox I don't remember if it is from the shield icon next to the URL.
In chrome it is the padlock and "Site settings".
You can try from different browsers to check if the problem is only with your current browser.



On 9/6/23 16:58, jt wrote:

I hope I'm in the right place.

I have Citadel working well. However, I am totally unable to delete mail from any room within Webcit. I think I may have clicked something so as not to allow Webcit to prompt me to confirm deletions.

I really would rather not have to reinstall!

Many thanks




[#] Tue Sep 12 2023 11:29:56 EDT from LoanShark

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And that's the issue in general with the whole SQL database thing: how

to keep supporting the thousands of existing Citadel installations that

are currently running the Berkeley DB back end while developing
features that require a SQL back end. It isn't going to be easy.

Yeah. "Just throwing it out there", really.

There has been some talk about moving Citadel to SQL lately, and two different design approaches have been floated. One approach would allow fulltext indexing, the other, not so much.

[#] Tue Sep 12 2023 21:33:13 EDT from MAS3

Subject: SMTP password lenth limit ?

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Hi.

It's been a while so sorry if i missed something.

I'm using Citadel on a Raspi 3B, been running for years.
I create a lot of users, so that it's easy to kill one should spam flood that user (which hasn't happened yet).
But i've also noted that those users can log in to get mail, but weren't able to send mail through a client.
They were able to send messages through webmail, but not by logging in with their mail program (such as Thunderbird), the passwords working in webmail will be denied.
I've been trying to find out why this happened, and found an answer somewhere else stating that passwords longer than 19 characters will not work.
So i've changed passwords, they're now up to 9 characters long (some of the not working ones were 12 characters long, most were 16).
Now they all work.
Is this a known issue, and is this a Citadel problem, something with SMTP protocols or could it be some OS problem with the PC running the client ?
I've been testing on a Win7 system if that is of any help.
I'll be testing on a Win11 system later on this week.

Thanks in advance for any of your insights.



[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 11:07:02 EDT from Nurb432

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so with the recent DB crash/restore/rebuilds, should i expect all my mail to be gone? Both incoming and outgoing?   Not a big deal, didnt need them. Just that i noticed it today so i thought id mention it. 



[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 13:09:48 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: SMTP password lenth limit ?

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So i've changed passwords, they're now up to 9 characters long (some
of the not working ones were 12 characters long, most were 16).
Now they all work.

Not sure about that, but Citadel Server permits passwords up to 31 characters long.

Do the usernames have spaces or other non-alnum characters in them? Unless you have a very old Citadel you should be able to remove all of the spaces and other characters from the login name and it will still work. That often helps when using third party clients.

[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 13:16:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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so with the recent DB crash/restore/rebuilds, should i expect all my
mail to be gone? Both incoming and outgoing?   Not a big deal,

If you restored from a backup, everything should still be intact.

If you ran database_cleanup.sh , it depends on how bad your corruption was.
I've seen it restore everything perfectly, and I've seen it not recover perfectly.

Once again however, you should definitely be running Citadel Server version 991 or later. We made the database layer absolutely bulletproof by adding mmap (disk-backed) dbenv. I haven't been able to make it fail even after deliberately and repeatedly crashing the server under high write load.

[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 14:35:12 EDT from Nurb432

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it was on here at uncensored.. not a local copy. sorry i wasn't more clear.  But again, not a big deal to me personally, i just thought id mention it, just in case.

Fri Sep 15 2023 13:16:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
so with the recent DB crash/restore/rebuilds, should i expect all my
mail to be gone? Both incoming and outgoing?   Not a big deal,

If you restored from a backup, everything should still be intact.

If you ran database_cleanup.sh , it depends on how bad your corruption was.
I've seen it restore everything perfectly, and I've seen it not recover perfectly.

Once again however, you should definitely be running Citadel Server version 991 or later. We made the database layer absolutely bulletproof by adding mmap (disk-backed) dbenv. I haven't been able to make it fail even after deliberately and repeatedly crashing the server under high write load.

 



[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 17:52:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Oooooh, yes that. :(

As you know, here on Uncensored we run bleeding-edge Citadel software because we are the last stage of testing before new versions go out to the world.
And yes, the private rooms (including mailboxes) of some users were a casualty.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 17:59:45 EDT from Nurb432

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For me, not a problem at all. Just didnt want to leave it unreported :) 

Fri Sep 15 2023 17:52:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
Oooooh, yes that. :(

As you know, here on Uncensored we run bleeding-edge Citadel software because we are the last stage of testing before new versions go out to the world.
And yes, the private rooms (including mailboxes) of some users were a casualty.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

 



[#] Sat Sep 16 2023 07:38:50 EDT from henri1400

Subject: Install failure using EasyInstall

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Trying to install citadel using Easy Install. Libcitadel fails to install, it's missing the configure script. Was automake/autoconf not run ?

2023-09-16 21:16:56 (291 KB/s) - 'libcitadel-easyinstall.tar.gz' saved [248327/248327]

 Installing libcitadel...
./citadel.install: line 454: ./configure: No such file or directory
 Citadel Easy Install is aborting.
 The last few lines above this message may indicate what went wrong.
 Linux Debian bookworm/sid( 4.19.84-microsoft-standard x86_64)

Cheers,
Henri



[#] Sat Sep 16 2023 12:29:11 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Install failure using EasyInstall

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Trying to install citadel using Easy Install. Libcitadel fails to
install, it's missing the configure script. Was automake/autoconf not
run ?

Noted. I pushed that update last night and just noticed that it had that problem.

You should be able to run it now with no problems. It's been fixed.

[#] Sat Sep 16 2023 21:20:15 EDT from MAS3

Subject: Re: SMTP password lenth limit ?

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Fri Sep 15 2023 13:09:48 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: SMTP password lenth limit ?
So i've changed passwords, they're now up to 9 characters long (some
of the not working ones were 12 characters long, most were 16).
Now they all work.

Not sure about that, but Citadel Server permits passwords up to 31 characters long.

Do the usernames have spaces or other non-alnum characters in them? Unless you have a very old Citadel you should be able to remove all of the spaces and other characters from the login name and it will still work. That often helps when using third party clients.

No, usernames do not have spaces or unusual characters in them.
And using webmail, there are no problems, so i think it is unlikely that there is a problem with Citadel itself.
I did test with a windows 11 laptop, and had the same problem.
I'll create new users and their names will be test10, test11, test12, test13 and test14, with passwords containing only numbers to see what will happen.
They will be removed after testing.



[#] Wed Sep 20 2023 04:13:32 EDT from rvlation

Subject: Simple Auth AD Integration

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Hey, has anyone here integrated Citadel with AD?



[#] Wed Sep 20 2023 09:21:37 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Simple Auth AD Integration

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Yes, it's designed to do that, and it works fine. We even wrote a tutorial about it:
[ https://www.citadel.org/msadsso.html ]

(It's a bit old, using Windows Server 2008, but the procedure hasn't changed much since then.)

[#] Wed Sep 20 2023 16:48:02 EDT from red

Subject: Configuring citmail to send mail on 587

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Hello,

Very new to this room.

From a client machine I am trying to: echo "Subject: Client machine citmail" | /usr/local/citadel/citmail red@webmailserver.dom.com

An getting this: citmail: can't connect: Connection refused

The webmailserver sever is ONLY listening on 587.

The command works fine from the webmailserver sever itself (localhost).

In the client machine I did install another citadel full but stop the 3 services (citadel, http/https web)... on/off does not make any change)

Telnet from client to server on port 587 is OK

netstat -ltnp | grep cit

tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:504             0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      129029/citserver

tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:587             0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      129029/citserver

tcp6       0      0 :::444                  :::*                    LISTEN      119743/webcit

I thought it was a certificate/key issue and copy from the server to the client (citadel.key and citadel.cer).

Question:

1) I can't find a conf file that I can check for citmail is this normal?

2) I can find in the server any logs that could tell me why it's rejecting

3) from the CLient adding the "-d" to citmail does not display more info

 

Any tips ?



[#] Wed Sep 20 2023 22:36:52 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Configuring citmail to send mail on 587

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That's not what `citmail` is for.

If you are running some third-party MTA that needs to call some other program to perform the final delivery of local mail, `citmail` is what it calls. But even that is mostly obsolete at this point, because most MTA's now support LMTP, and Citadel provides an LMTP socket.

If you are running Citadel Server on your host and you need to deliver mail from shell scripts and the like, you could consider a program like `nullmailer` (it's in your OS repo) and point that at Citadel.

[#] Thu Sep 21 2023 07:40:34 EDT from nnitrus

Subject: installing on AmazonLinux (or any ARM, really)

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Trying to get Citadel going on the cheapest AWS server I can, and on ARM, if possible. Tried AmazonLinux both x64 and ARM versions and get the error "==: unary operator expected" when attempting to run the quickstart curl https://easyinstall.citadel.org/install | bash

Is there an ARM distro that Citadel works on?



[#] Thu Sep 21 2023 09:13:20 EDT from red

Subject: Re: Configuring citmail to send mail on 587

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My intent in using citmail is to minimize the number of different software needed.

If I am using citadel, why not use citmail on my linux client?

Well I did try another SW and it's failing, that one also as bad logs, not sure of the reason of failure.

User/password authen is my guess but don't know how to fix in that SW.

 

My echo test with citmail is also to ensure that the basic is all good.

 

Thank you for the SW suggestion I will try.



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