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[#] Fri Sep 01 2023 16:42:31 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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What about 9Front?

You do the work :)

I like the 9front web site though. I especially like how their "code of conduct" is Asimov's three laws of robotics. It's *almost* as awesome as Citadel's CoC.

[#] Sun Sep 03 2023 21:21:18 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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So ... I'm at a friend's place and I saw what webcit is doing with unauthenticated users.  All rooms just use the mailbox view, if you select another view and then try to go to a different page, it just reverts to mailbox view.

Thought y'all should know.



[#] Mon Sep 04 2023 06:52:46 EDT from Nurb432

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i could be wrong ,but would it not default to what the last person used before the current?

Sun Sep 03 2023 21:21:18 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

So ... I'm at a friend's place and I saw what webcit is doing with unauthenticated users.  All rooms just use the mailbox view, if you select another view and then try to go to a different page, it just reverts to mailbox view.

Thought y'all should know.



 



[#] Tue Sep 05 2023 20:12:26 EDT from cd

Subject: Creating server with https

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I followed instructions here:

https://citadel.org/how_to_install_a_certificate_signed_by_a_recognized_certificate_authority.html

 

but my server doesn't have https working (I know I need let's encrypt, but I'm starting with the basics for now). One thing that I didn't see was a webcit keys directory in usr/local/webcit. Do you know if that is why the server is only http, or is there something else to do?

 

Thanks,
cd



[#] Tue Sep 05 2023 22:02:26 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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but my server doesn't have https working (I know I need let's
encrypt, but I'm starting with the basics for now). One thing that I
didn't see was a webcit keys directory in usr/local/webcit. Do you
know if that is why the server is only http, or is there something
else to do?

Hmm, that seems to be an old document. The one you want is here:

[ https://citadel.org/sslcertificates.html ]

Sorry for the confusion.

[#] Wed Sep 06 2023 19:58:29 EDT from jt

Subject: Unable to delete messages

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I hope I'm in the right place.

I have Citadel working well. However, I am totally unable to delete mail from any room within Webcit. I think I may have clicked something so as not to allow Webcit to prompt me to confirm deletions.

I really would rather not have to reinstall!

Many thanks



[#] Fri Sep 08 2023 14:30:58 EDT from LoanShark

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One of the advantage of moving to an SQL backend like Postgres is that it would do full-text indexing for you, possibly better than a home-grown solution (e.g. built-in support for stopword and thesaurus etc)

[#] Fri Sep 08 2023 17:51:13 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I have Citadel working well. However, I am totally unable to delete
mail from any room within Webcit. I think I may have clicked
something so as not to allow Webcit to prompt me to confirm
deletions.

Are you trying do delete messages from your account's own mailboxes or from "public" (forum) rooms?

The latter is only possible if you are logged in as an administrator.

There is also a setting "allow anyone who can post messages to delete" which can be set on a per-room basis.

[#] Fri Sep 08 2023 18:02:38 EDT from Nurb432

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I dont think he wants to delete he wants to mark as read, and its not working like it did for me in the GUI, after the purger went sideways.



[#] Fri Sep 08 2023 18:03:27 EDT from Nurb432

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Nevermind. delete this ( no pun )..  i was thinking the wrong post

I should go to bed.

Fri Sep 08 2023 18:02:38 EDT from Nurb432 Subject: Re: Unable to delete messages

I dont think he wants to delete he wants to mark as read, and its not working like it did for me in the GUI, after the purger went sideways.



 



[#] Fri Sep 08 2023 18:06:36 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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One of the advantage of moving to an SQL backend like Postgres is that

it would do full-text indexing for you, possibly better than a

True. We would have to consider that carefully though, because it would create a dependency. I know that our current indexer is sort of naive. It gets the job done, but it's not ultra-sophisticated. I suppose we could go to "you don't get indexing unless you use so-and-so backend" if we get to that point.

And that's the issue in general with the whole SQL database thing: how to keep supporting the thousands of existing Citadel installations that are currently running the Berkeley DB back end while developing features that require a SQL back end. It isn't going to be easy.

That doesn't mean I'm not willing to do it, but it is -- as they say in business jargon -- "a big lift".

[#] Fri Sep 08 2023 18:13:31 EDT from s3cr3to to Citadel_Support <room_Citadel_Support@uncensored.citadel.org>

Subject: Re: Unable to delete messages

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Many browsers (firefox, chrome) can save protection settings for each site; like allowing or disallowing pop-ups and so on.
Maybe this is your case and you should delete/reset those settings for the webcit page.
In firefox I don't remember if it is from the shield icon next to the URL.
In chrome it is the padlock and "Site settings".
You can try from different browsers to check if the problem is only with your current browser.



On 9/6/23 16:58, jt wrote:

I hope I'm in the right place.

I have Citadel working well. However, I am totally unable to delete mail from any room within Webcit. I think I may have clicked something so as not to allow Webcit to prompt me to confirm deletions.

I really would rather not have to reinstall!

Many thanks




[#] Tue Sep 12 2023 11:29:56 EDT from LoanShark

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And that's the issue in general with the whole SQL database thing: how

to keep supporting the thousands of existing Citadel installations that

are currently running the Berkeley DB back end while developing
features that require a SQL back end. It isn't going to be easy.

Yeah. "Just throwing it out there", really.

There has been some talk about moving Citadel to SQL lately, and two different design approaches have been floated. One approach would allow fulltext indexing, the other, not so much.

[#] Tue Sep 12 2023 21:33:13 EDT from MAS3

Subject: SMTP password lenth limit ?

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Hi.

It's been a while so sorry if i missed something.

I'm using Citadel on a Raspi 3B, been running for years.
I create a lot of users, so that it's easy to kill one should spam flood that user (which hasn't happened yet).
But i've also noted that those users can log in to get mail, but weren't able to send mail through a client.
They were able to send messages through webmail, but not by logging in with their mail program (such as Thunderbird), the passwords working in webmail will be denied.
I've been trying to find out why this happened, and found an answer somewhere else stating that passwords longer than 19 characters will not work.
So i've changed passwords, they're now up to 9 characters long (some of the not working ones were 12 characters long, most were 16).
Now they all work.
Is this a known issue, and is this a Citadel problem, something with SMTP protocols or could it be some OS problem with the PC running the client ?
I've been testing on a Win7 system if that is of any help.
I'll be testing on a Win11 system later on this week.

Thanks in advance for any of your insights.



[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 11:07:02 EDT from Nurb432

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so with the recent DB crash/restore/rebuilds, should i expect all my mail to be gone? Both incoming and outgoing?   Not a big deal, didnt need them. Just that i noticed it today so i thought id mention it. 



[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 13:09:48 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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So i've changed passwords, they're now up to 9 characters long (some
of the not working ones were 12 characters long, most were 16).
Now they all work.

Not sure about that, but Citadel Server permits passwords up to 31 characters long.

Do the usernames have spaces or other non-alnum characters in them? Unless you have a very old Citadel you should be able to remove all of the spaces and other characters from the login name and it will still work. That often helps when using third party clients.

[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 13:16:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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so with the recent DB crash/restore/rebuilds, should i expect all my
mail to be gone? Both incoming and outgoing?   Not a big deal,

If you restored from a backup, everything should still be intact.

If you ran database_cleanup.sh , it depends on how bad your corruption was.
I've seen it restore everything perfectly, and I've seen it not recover perfectly.

Once again however, you should definitely be running Citadel Server version 991 or later. We made the database layer absolutely bulletproof by adding mmap (disk-backed) dbenv. I haven't been able to make it fail even after deliberately and repeatedly crashing the server under high write load.

[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 14:35:12 EDT from Nurb432

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it was on here at uncensored.. not a local copy. sorry i wasn't more clear.  But again, not a big deal to me personally, i just thought id mention it, just in case.

Fri Sep 15 2023 13:16:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
so with the recent DB crash/restore/rebuilds, should i expect all my
mail to be gone? Both incoming and outgoing?   Not a big deal,

If you restored from a backup, everything should still be intact.

If you ran database_cleanup.sh , it depends on how bad your corruption was.
I've seen it restore everything perfectly, and I've seen it not recover perfectly.

Once again however, you should definitely be running Citadel Server version 991 or later. We made the database layer absolutely bulletproof by adding mmap (disk-backed) dbenv. I haven't been able to make it fail even after deliberately and repeatedly crashing the server under high write load.

 



[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 17:52:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Oooooh, yes that. :(

As you know, here on Uncensored we run bleeding-edge Citadel software because we are the last stage of testing before new versions go out to the world.
And yes, the private rooms (including mailboxes) of some users were a casualty.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 17:59:45 EDT from Nurb432

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For me, not a problem at all. Just didnt want to leave it unreported :) 

Fri Sep 15 2023 17:52:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
Oooooh, yes that. :(

As you know, here on Uncensored we run bleeding-edge Citadel software because we are the last stage of testing before new versions go out to the world.
And yes, the private rooms (including mailboxes) of some users were a casualty.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

 



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