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[#] Thu Jul 20 2023 12:26:15 EDT from SteveD430

Subject: Installing Citadel on Raspberry Pi4

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Hi,

Hoping someone can help and that I am posting to the correct place.

I am attempting to install Citadel on a Raspberry Pi 4 running Rasperian (Debian) Version 10 aka "Buster"

I am executing the citadel install script "curl http://easyinstall.citadel.org/install | sudo bash"

when I get the error "undefined reference to symbol 'pthread_rwlock_trywrlock@@GLIBC_2.4'"

Would appreciate any help on this.

 

Thanks

SteveD430

 




[#] Fri Jul 21 2023 18:08:27 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: [FIXED] Citadel on Raspberry Pi

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Thank you to everyone who reported trouble installing the latest Citadel on a Raspberry Pi. That build included an experimental migration utility that was only problematic on a Pi. It has been removed.

Furthermore, I am in agreement with those who are saying that Berkeley DB has become more of a liability lately. I myself had some trouble today. We're going to accelerate a strategy to replace it.

[#] Fri Jul 21 2023 19:50:31 EDT from RobW

Subject: User management

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Hi,

I have some trouble with adding/modifying and deleting users. It seems that the accounts and internet address are kept in some kind of chache. After deleting and trying to reuse them, I get messages that the account already exits. But I can't select/find them in the "Edit or Delete users"  section on the right side

Or creating a completely different account and try to add the primary internet address to it results in a blank field.

Is there some kind of purging I can do?

 

Rob



[#] Sat Jul 22 2023 15:35:38 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

Subject: Re: User management

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Webcit caches a lot of stuff.  Try restarting webcit.  I have run into slimilar issues and restarting webcit did the trick.

Fri Jul 21 2023 19:50:31 EDT from RobW Subject: User management

Hi,

I have some trouble with adding/modifying and deleting users. It seems that the accounts and internet address are kept in some kind of chache. After deleting and trying to reuse them, I get messages that the account already exits. But I can't select/find them in the "Edit or Delete users"  section on the right side

Or creating a completely different account and try to add the primary internet address to it results in a blank field.

Is there some kind of purging I can do?

 

Rob



 



[#] Sat Jul 22 2023 15:52:27 EDT from RobW

Subject: Re: User management

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How can I restart webcit? And what exactly is webcit?

 

Rob



[#] Sat Jul 22 2023 20:16:23 EDT from RobW

Subject: Concept

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Hi,

 

I don't really understand the concept of Citadel. When I send a mail to a Citadel account, that mail arrives in the tab "Mail". But under the tab "Rooms" I see all the traditional mail folders. And I read somewhere the Thunderbird read this "Room" tab. So how...?

 

Another thing is that I can't connect to Citadel with Thunderbird. Even when i connect locally (192.168.1.202) with port 993. I get a connection timeout.

Username in Thunderbird = User Name in Citadel with @suffix?

STARTTLS and Normal Password?

 

The "Fully qualified domain name" is everthing behind the "@" of my mail address?

Rob



[#] Sun Jul 23 2023 01:00:09 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

Subject: Re: Concept

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My Citadel is on the web at https://ladyserenakitty.com/ and it's behind the almighty CloudFlare.  The actual server is over at DigitalOcean and the real hostname of the server is citadel.ladyserenakitty.com.  My MX record for "ladyserenakitty.com" points to "citadel.ladyserenakitty.com".  Therefore, my email address is "@ladyserenakitty.com".  The MX record is what matters here.

As far as mail clients go, both Evolution (what I use) and Thunderbird are able to auto-detect the correct authentication method.

According to Evolution:

Encryption method: TLS on a dedicated port

Authentication: Password

Of course, these must be enabled in your Citadel server.  Using WebCit: Administration -> Edit Site-wide configuration, and then check the settings in each of the tabs.  Also make sure Citadel is able to use these ports, if a port fails to bind, you'll get a startup error message in the Aides room.

- Jessica

Sat Jul 22 2023 20:16:23 EDT from RobW Subject: Concept

Hi,

 

I don't really understand the concept of Citadel. When I send a mail to a Citadel account, that mail arrives in the tab "Mail". But under the tab "Rooms" I see all the traditional mail folders. And I read somewhere the Thunderbird read this "Room" tab. So how...?

 

Another thing is that I can't connect to Citadel with Thunderbird. Even when i connect locally (192.168.1.202) with port 993. I get a connection timeout.

Username in Thunderbird = User Name in Citadel with @suffix?

STARTTLS and Normal Password?

 

The "Fully qualified domain name" is everthing behind the "@" of my mail address?

Rob



 



[#] Mon Jul 24 2023 03:48:42 EDT from RobW

Subject: Re: Concept

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Thanks for yuor answer.

There are no messages in de Aided room about ports

 

There is e difference between the users in "Administration/User account management" and the available users in "Rooms/Main floor/Global Address Book" Some exist in the one and some in the other.

And when I check account 5 under Ädministration" I see: "005@mysite.nl" and when I look into the "Global Address book" i see: "mve@mysite.nl" as the primary internet address. When I edit account 5 in Administration to "mve@mysite.nl" then the field is emptied by the system.

 



[#] Tue Jul 25 2023 19:03:11 EDT from allan

Subject: Citadel not offering TLS

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Hey all,

I just installed Citadel on my RPI400 using easyinstall. I created a LetsEncrypt cert using certbot and symlinked that and the key to /usr/local/citadel/keys but Citadel is not offering TLS in the handshake.

This is what I see from MXTools - 

Connecting to 14.201.148.236

220 mail.my.domain ESMTP Citadel server ready. [451 ms]
EHLO keeper-us-east-1d.mxtoolbox.com
250-Hello keeper-us-east-1d.mxtoolbox.com (keeper-us-east-1d.mxtoolbox.com [18.209.86.113])
250-HELP
250-SIZE 10485760
250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN
250-AUTH=LOGIN PLAIN
250 8BITMIME [736 ms]
MAIL FROM:<supertool@mxtoolboxsmtpdiag.com>
250 Sender ok [415 ms]
RCPT TO:<test@mxtoolboxsmtpdiag.com>
551 <test@mxtoolboxsmtpdiag.com> - relaying denied [402 ms]

LookupServer 3893ms

Have I missed anything in the setup?

Thanks,

 

Allan



[#] Sat Jul 29 2023 14:45:56 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Citadel not offering TLS

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Try port 587 instead of port 25. Citadel doesn't advertise TLS on port 25 because if the certificate isn't valid, a lot of senders will refuse to deliver mail at all. And the SMTP service has no way of determining whether the certificate is valid.

[#] Tue Aug 01 2023 16:56:57 EDT from eaksystem

Subject: citadel and rocket chat

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hi

how to use rocket chat with citadel.



[#] Tue Aug 01 2023 18:07:26 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: citadel and rocket chat

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how to use rocket chat with citadel.

Please provide more information, as it is not likely most of us know what "rocket chat" is.

[#] Wed Aug 02 2023 10:31:23 EDT from Nurb432

Subject: Re: citadel and rocket chat

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Only one i know if is a independent chat platform..

Tue Aug 01 2023 06:07:26 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: citadel and rocket chat
how to use rocket chat with citadel.

Please provide more information, as it is not likely most of us know what "rocket chat" is.

 



[#] Thu Aug 03 2023 09:51:57 EDT from RobW

Subject: Smart Host

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I have to relay all my outbound email. But several smtp-providers have an AtSign in the username, but that is not in Citadel.

How can I use something like this in the Smart Host settings:

smtp://userxxx@gmail.com:userpassword@smtp.gmail.com:465

 

Rob

 



[#] Thu Aug 03 2023 17:25:37 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Smart Host

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How can I use something like this in the Smart Host settings:

smtp://userxxx@gmail.com:userpassword@smtp.gmail.com:465

The above happens to be *exactly* the syntax you want to put in the "smart host" field.

Any valid SMTP URL is accepted.

[#] Tue Aug 08 2023 02:49:39 EDT from p.agsten

Subject: Citadel Server stopped working - created huge amount of db logs

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Hello All,

this morning I realized my Linux server was playing up. When checking I found the file system was full. Cause was that citadel last night started to created some hundreds of GBytes worth of db translaction log files (log.XXX). Restarting Citadel did not help, it is not updating the actual db files (cdb.XX) Given the huge amount of data now I also do not have sufficient maneauvring space on the machine to add a backup in parallel. Deleting the tranlogs also does not seem a good idea. Of course I doubt that I would have recieved that amount of mails over night anyway so looks like some sort of internal problem.

Any idea what could have caused this? The mail log does not show errors as far as I can see, just normal mail processing.

Is there a way to manually apply the tranlogs before starting citadel in the hope this solves the issue?

Any ideas are very welcome.

Patrick



[#] Tue Aug 08 2023 21:26:26 EDT from OBeardly

Subject: systemd / compile from source / Berkeley DB

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I know Citadel chose to migrate to systemd back in 2019. I run a systemd free system. I wanted to compile but I see Citadel requires BerkeleyDB. I was under than assumption that BerkeleyDB was no longer maintained. Can someone please clarify for me? I did check the FAQ and saw nothing in there referencing BerkeleyDB. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 



[#] Wed Aug 09 2023 10:41:02 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: systemd / compile from source / Berkeley DB

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Berkeley DB is maintained and supported, and Citadel does use it. It's not maintained by your operating system's repository anymore, but not to worry -- both the Docker container and the Easy Install build will install it for you.

Citadel does not "strictly" require systemd, but if you use something else then you'll need to set up your own startup scripts.

By the way ... we are in the process of shoring up the abstraction layer for the storage backend so that we can migrate away from Berkeley DB. We've done this before -- we moved from GDBM to BDB about 25 years ago. This time we're writing a sort of pluggable driver system like OpenLDAP has.

[#] Thu Aug 10 2023 10:46:04 EDT from OBeardly

Subject: Re: systemd / compile from source / Berkeley DB

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That's awesome to hear. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help. I'm not a coder, but I was previously a Unix/Linux Systems Administrator. Also, I would be happy to support financially if it is needed. I run a package mirror for the Devuan project. Happy to help out here to as I can. 



[#] Thu Aug 10 2023 13:57:02 EDT from p.agsten

Subject: Re: Citadel Server stopped working - created huge amount of db logs

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Eventually resolved the issue by restoring last known good backup. It was 47k tranlog files so I felt even if I had a way of applying them manually this would take ages. I am just wondering whether this was a technical glitch or some kind of attack. Would be good to hear if anyone else experienced this in the past and might have gotten to the bottom of it.

Patrick

Tue Aug 08 2023 02:49:39 EDT from p.agsten Subject: Citadel Server stopped working - created huge amount of db logs

Hello All,

this morning I realized my Linux server was playing up. When checking I found the file system was full. Cause was that citadel last night started to created some hundreds of GBytes worth of db translaction log files (log.XXX). Restarting Citadel did not help, it is not updating the actual db files (cdb.XX) Given the huge amount of data now I also do not have sufficient maneauvring space on the machine to add a backup in parallel. Deleting the tranlogs also does not seem a good idea. Of course I doubt that I would have recieved that amount of mails over night anyway so looks like some sort of internal problem.

Any idea what could have caused this? The mail log does not show errors as far as I can see, just normal mail processing.

Is there a way to manually apply the tranlogs before starting citadel in the hope this solves the issue?

Any ideas are very welcome.

Patrick



 



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