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[#] Fri Oct 21 2022 06:05:50 EDT from mrsfeathers

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Re: View Old Names To Fix Problem

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i tried this command and then TDAP but it doesn't look like it did anything. GETU still sees it. i'm not sure how to log into the other tool you suggested though

 

root@Mail:/usr/local/citadel# ./sendcommand "SETU Use R. Name|80|24|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0"

sendcommand: started (pid=7077) connecting to Citadel server with data directory /usr/local/citadel

200 furryrefuge.com Citadel server ADMIN CONNECTION ready.

SETU Use R. Name|80|24|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0

200 Ok

sendcommand: processing ended.

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[#] Mon Oct 24 2022 13:14:04 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Re: View Old Names To Fix Problem

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Ok, you're working really hard on a solution and your effort is very much appreciated.  Thank you for that.

Let's try the text mode client.  Go to your host system and enter the following commands:

cd /usr/local/citadel
./citadel

This will start the console mode client.  Log in as an administrator.  It will probably start showing you messages in the Lobby.  You can hit S for "Stop" and you will get the room prompt (Lobby>).

The commands you're interested in now are "<.A>dmin <U>ser <E>dit" and probably "<.A>dmin <U>ser <D>elete".  Type the "." (period) and then the first letter of each command (A, U, etc).   At any point you can hit the "?" (question mark) to show all of the available subcommands at that level.

This is probably easier than playing around with AGUP and ASUP.  The client will send those commands to the server for you.  

Hint: if you delete a user, it actually only sets their access level to 0 (Deleted) and the actual deletion will be performed when the auto-purger runs.

So go ahead and try that.  If these commands verify that the user really does exist, and you're able to delete that account, but the email address remains unavailable, say so here and we'll figure out whether there's an actual software problem that needs to be coded around.



[#] Mon Oct 24 2022 15:39:34 EDT from mrsfeathers

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Re: View Old Names To Fix Problem

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This is hands-down the best email server and networking server for groups and small businesses. i use this daily for my community where we have a support room that support@example.com goes to, all server logs that need looking at go to admin@example.com which is an alias for room_Admin@example.com and doing that is so insanely useful and also very unique. after extensively testing out which servers i would want to use personally, i knew this was the one. so switching just because of an issue isn't a problem.. but conversely, i figure the harder the problem, the more you learn. and i got my buddies who run communities of their own to try it too. i figure if i learn more, i can help out more. so in honesty, thank YOU for being willing to help me.

 

back to the issue though, running the command gave me the error "no citadel.rc" so i made one and now its saying the server is to old for MSG4. so i imagine i should update and i figure (but want to ask first to make sure its ok because it doesn't really flat out say it on the documentation) but since i installed with the script, i should be able to run it again and have it update everything, right? after updating i'll see if the issue persists then try those commands again



[#] Mon Oct 24 2022 18:51:57 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Re: View Old Names To Fix Problem

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If you like it now, wait'll you see the new web interface we're building.
It's way more modern and will blow your feathers off. :)

Yes, please do run the upgrade. Take a full backup first, of course. Then try the command again. I'll check out one of my development systems and see if we can figure out where that MSG4 error is coming from, but I do recall we fixed something like that not too long ago. Can you tell us what version you're running?

[#] Sat Oct 29 2022 01:34:27 EDT from nitetrkr

Subject: Installing citadel on raspberry pi 4 8GB

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Does citadel have a 64-bit ARM image?



[#] Sat Oct 29 2022 11:44:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Installing citadel on raspberry pi 4 8GB

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Does citadel have a 64-bit ARM image?

Citadel will run just fine on 64-bit ARM but you have to build it yourself using Easy Install.

I assume you're talking about the container version, which we currently build using a cross compiler (and occasionally test on a real Pi). The cross compiler crashes when we try 64-bit ARM and I don't know why. Hopefully this will get worked out in some future version of the development kit and we'll add ARM 64 to the build.

[#] Sat Oct 29 2022 13:54:11 EDT from jenqs

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Re: View Old Names To Fix Problem

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When is the new web interface expected to be released?  Any previews?

 

 



[#] Mon Oct 31 2022 09:30:09 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Re: View Old Names To Fix Problem

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Funny you mention that. When you asked for a preview I attempted to set one up here on our production system. It didn't work right, so I said ok, let's finally upgrade my system to 64-bit which I've been putting off for a few years now. That was going to take too much time once I kicked off the migration.
So there went my Saturday with nothing to show for it :)

We'll get a preview running at some point.

[#] Thu Nov 03 2022 15:31:32 EDT from ht47

Subject: Blocking Outgoing Spam

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I noticed that large quantities of spam emails were going though port 587 of my Citadel server.  I have the IP address of the spammer.  How do I find out which of my users (if any) this IP address corresponds to.  I have a log file in the database (under /usr/local/citadel/data), but it is spectacularly unhelpful.  In general, how can I determine how many emails each particular user has sent and received?  Is there a way to limit the number of emails that each user can send (say, to 500)?  Any ideas about how to prevent this from happening again in the future?



[#] Thu Nov 03 2022 15:35:56 EDT from ht47

Subject: Blocking Outgoing Spam

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I noticed that large quantities of spam emails were going though port 587 of my Citadel server.  I have the IP address of the spammer.  How do I find out which of my users (if any) this IP address corresponds to.  I have a log file in the database (under /usr/local/citadel/data), but it is spectacularly unhelpful.  In general, how can I determine how many emails each particular user has sent and received?  Is there a way to limit the number of emails that each user can send (say, to 500)?  Any ideas about how to prevent this from happening again in the future?



[#] Fri Nov 04 2022 12:10:33 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Blocking Outgoing Spam

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If it came through port 587 then it's an authenticated user, which it seems you have already figured out.

The "log files" in a database refer to database journaling, not system logs, so that's definitely not the place to look.

Unfortunately there is no setting in Citadel which would limit the number of emails that a user can send. They're either allowed or not allowed. You could look at the userlist though, and find a user with a particularly outrageously high message count. That's problably the one. Best practice, however, would dictate that you have all your users change their passwords and make sure they're good passwords.

If you really want to rate-limit incoming SMTP connections from a single IP address, you can do that from the operating system's own firewall. For example, if you are running on Linux you can rate-limit the port using iptables.
Here's an example I found on the internet:
[ https://blog.programster.org/rate-limit-requests-with-iptables ]

[#] Sat Nov 05 2022 08:10:21 EDT from mrsfeathers

Subject: i just wanted to let you know i'm still here

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i've still got the issue i had with the user and havent been able to try the fix you told me yet due to updating. i backed it up so i could just revert if things don't go well.. and i've not been able to successfully update yet. it seems to go ok but when it goes to "connecting to citadel server" the green [**----------------] loading bar disappears and it just sits there while the website gives me a 503 error. not quite sure what i should check.



[#] Sat Nov 05 2022 09:15:13 EDT from ht47

Subject: Re: Blocking Outgoing Spam

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Thank you for the information about rate limiting posts using IP tables.

None of my users has more than a handful of messages shown on the administrator's "Edit user account" page.  Also, I have now unchecked the "Permission to send Internet mail" box for all of my users, but apparently emails are still being sent--at least, that is how I am interpreting what I am seeing in my Linux syslog file (repeated every 2 seconds):

Nov  5 05:07:45 superman citserver[527]: citserver[527]: context: session (SMTP-MSA) started from ****removed**** (****removed****) uid=-1
Nov  5 05:07:45 superman citserver[527]: context: session (SMTP-MSA) started from ****removed**** (****removed****) uid=-1
Nov  5 05:07:49 superman citserver[527]: citserver[527]: context: [ 80]SRV[SMTP-MSA] Session ended.
Nov  5 05:07:49 superman citserver[527]: context: [ 80]SRV[SMTP-MSA] Session ended.
Nov  5 05:07:49 superman citserver[527]: citserver[527]: context: [ 81]SRV[SMTP-MSA] Session ended.
Nov  5 05:07:49 superman citserver[527]: context: [ 81]SRV[SMTP-MSA] Session ended.


The lights on the server and router were also flashing rapidly, which indicate a large amount of traffic.  Is it possible that I am misinterpreting what I am seeing in the syslog file?   Could a user's computer only be making a connection every 2 seconds but not sending anything?  I am not seeing any outgoing emails in my Linux mail.log log file, only incoming ones, so I am not sure whether outgoing emails are actually being sent.  Enabling journaling under the "Indexing/Journaling" and checking the boxes "Enable full text index" and "Perform journaling of email messages" does not seem to do anything other than adding some entries to the syslog file, but I may just not know where to look for whatever journal files are produced by those settings.

Also, I could not find any useful information about the difference between a "local user" and a "network user".  Does it have anything to do with the ability of a user to send or receive email to the WAN, verses limiting it to the LAN?



[#] Sat Nov 05 2022 17:49:45 EDT from mrsfeathers

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Re: View Old Names To Fix Problem

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it took a while for me to update but i finally figured out how to rebuild the database and all that. so its updated now but when i go into the console with that command it allows me to login and shows me lobby messages, i get to the lobby prompt but it freezes, not allowing any input. it doesn't seem to be taking up any cpu or anything. looking into that issue now, but its running pretty well with the updates and all. no issues and everything's intact after rebuilding the database. going to dig around for logs and see why it would just hang up without doing or saying anything.

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[#] Mon Nov 07 2022 08:01:09 EST from Markus47809

Subject: Attachment size

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I have a small question where can I set the maximum size for the attachment of incoming emails.



[#] Fri Nov 11 2022 13:50:34 EST from jenqs

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Re: View Old Names To Fix Problem

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Thanks for trying :). Can't wait to see what you folks have dreamed up :)

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Mon Oct 31 2022 09:30:09 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Re: View Old Names To Fix Problem
Funny you mention that. When you asked for a preview I attempted to set one up here on our production system. It didn't work right, so I said ok, let's finally upgrade my system to 64-bit which I've been putting off for a few years now. That was going to take too much time once I kicked off the migration.
So there went my Saturday with nothing to show for it :)

We'll get a preview running at some point.

 



[#] Fri Nov 11 2022 19:19:27 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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All right, maybe I spoke too soon :)
Turns o All right, maybe I spoke too soon :)
Turns o All right, maybe I spoke too soon :)
Turns out it didn't work because there was a legit bug that only manifested on 32-bit Linux (which is what Uncensored is still running).

I believe we now have a nightly build running at https://uncensored.citadel.org:4443

No promises here, of course.  It's the current state of the code and maybe it works.  You should be able to log in, and you should be able to view Forums and Mail.  It won't update your last-read pointer in each room, so it's probably not usable as your daily driver yet.   But it'll give you an idea what the new framework will look like.


Thanks for trying :). Can't wait to see what you folks have dreamed up :)



[#] Sat Nov 12 2022 14:26:23 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Oh, and for anyone trying out the nightly builds of WebCit-NG [ https://uncensored.citadel.org:4443 ]
Here are some guidelines:

1. DO NOT REPORT BUGS. It's unfinished. We know it has bugs.
2. Don't worry about breaking it. You can't hurt the site by playing around with the demo. Worst that happens is you break the demo but the production site keeps running, and I don't care about that.
3. Don't bother trying to see if you can subvert the site's security through some half-completed section of the web interface. That can't be done because all access controls still live inside the Citadel Server, which is hardened and mature.

That having been said ... enjoy the preview of what has been built so far.
It is very much "under construction" but you should be able to see where we're going with it. The style is very modern, the underpinnings are totally REST and DAV to allow greater interoperability with third-party software, and the UI approach is to organize the system as a set of applications (mail, forums, calendar, etc.) instead of as an overgrown BBS that can also do other things.

For web design geeks: everything is HTML5+CSS+DOM+XHR, straight to the browser, no third-party frameworks. We tried a couple of different frameworks (Bootstrap and W3CSS) and they made things look nice out-of-the-box, but ended up being restrictive when we tried to do anything fancy. Modern browser features like Grid and Flexbox make this stuff easy.

Share And Enjoy!

[#] Mon Nov 14 2022 23:44:22 EST from Imspyguy

Subject: RFC 5322 - Gmail Email rejections

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Good evening,

Gmail is rejecting my email,  with an error that states:

 

kd8sky@gmail.com: 550 (550-5.7.1 [208.180.142.90] This message is not RFC 5322 compliant, the issue is: )


Ive run through the DNS entries for the spf, dmarc, they‘ve both been validated, but my email will get rejected outright with the above entry or at times a reply to an email from gmail will end up in the spam box on my gmail account.


Any suggestions on the subject would be appreciated

Thanks - great product btw.


 



[#] Sun Nov 20 2022 19:29:18 EST from TobyWiddows

Subject: An idiot with a raspberry pi - Connection refusednetst

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Hi,

I have tried to install citadel using the info here https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-email-server/

it all appeared to work, I can log in to the web interface and configure stuff.

However when I try and configure an email client it can not connect.

I tried to telnet to port 25  from a terminal on the server and get this

Trying 192.168.1.145...

telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused

I get this for all the ports for smtp/imp/pop3

netstat -lnp does not list any of the ports as listening

 

sudo netstat -lnp

Active Internet connections (only servers)

Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address           Foreign Address         State       PID/Program name

tcp        0      0 192.168.1.145:5222      0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2077/citserver

tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:5900            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      565/vncserver-x11-c

tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:631           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2306/cupsd

tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:783           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      621/perl

tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:22224           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      569/sshd: /usr/sbin

tcp6       0      0 :::5900                 :::*                    LISTEN      565/vncserver-x11-c

tcp6       0      0 ::1:631                 :::*                    LISTEN      2306/cupsd

tcp6       0      0 :::443                  :::*                    LISTEN      466/webcit

tcp6       0      0 :::80                   :::*                    LISTEN      465/webcit

tcp6       0      0 ::1:783                 :::*                    LISTEN      621/perl

tcp6       0      0 :::22224                :::*                    LISTEN      569/sshd: /usr/sbin

udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:68              0.0.0.0:*                           886/dhcpcd

udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:631             0.0.0.0:*                           2307/cups-browsed

udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:5353            0.0.0.0:*                           417/avahi-daemon: r

udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:51466           0.0.0.0:*                           417/avahi-daemon: r

udp6       0      0 :::33702                :::*                                417/avahi-daemon: r

udp6       0      0 :::5353                 :::*                                417/avahi-daemon: r

raw6       0      0 :::58                   :::*                    7           886/dhcpcd

 

i cant seem to find any google help on this issue, i'm sure it a simple issue, but have been butting my head against it all night!

 

Thanks in advance

 

Toby

 

 


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