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[#] Tue Apr 13 2021 23:11:09 EDT from ASCII Express

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I wanted to get things straight with the text mode. The main menu says to type .Help SUMMARY, but that help file doesn't exist. I couldn't find the help file in the messages subdirectory or anywhere else. I thought I'd at least remove that part from the main menu, but I couldn't find that either. I wonder if the Easy Install didn't install all of the required files for the text client, given that I had to manually copy over the messages subdirectory myself after installation.
I would like to get everything right before putting my BBS online. Thanks.

[#] Wed Apr 14 2021 11:06:46 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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The help menu is missing - and has been for some time. the dot help commands don't work. 

I'm not sure if it works like a traditional Citadel - where you can just create the .help textfiles in the right place and they'll be read by the program - or if it is something installed internally in the code. 

 

Tue Apr 13 2021 23:11:09 EDT from ASCII Express
I wanted to get things straight with the text mode. The main menu says to type .Help SUMMARY, but that help file doesn't exist. I couldn't find the help file in the messages subdirectory or anywhere else. I thought I'd at least remove that part from the main menu, but I couldn't find that either. I wonder if the Easy Install didn't install all of the required files for the text client, given that I had to manually copy over the messages subdirectory myself after installation.
I would like to get everything right before putting my BBS online. Thanks.

 



[#] Thu Apr 15 2021 08:10:44 EDT from FyWolf

Subject: File size limit

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Hi ! I was using citadel and someone wanted to send me a PDF file of 8Mo, but I didn't recieve the mail and my friend got a mail back who said that I wasn't able to recieve file larger than 10Mo.
Is there a way for me to increase the limit ? 20Mo or something like that ?

Cordially, FyWolf



[#] Fri Apr 16 2021 02:55:45 EDT from chrisskhc

Subject: Re: SMTP authentication problem from outlook

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Hello,

 

I have exactly the same problem since I updated to build 931 via easyinstall.

Everything works fine except the mail client connection to the SMTP.

 

I would also be very grateful for targeted tips on troubleshooting.

 

chrisskhc

 

 

Tue Apr 13 2021 09:56:56 EDT from bartv Subject: Re: SMTP authentication problem from outlook

 

Fri Apr 09 2021 06:07:11 EDT from bartv Subject: SMTP authentication problem from outlook

Hello all,

 

Could not find search function in this forum, so apologies if this is a recurring question.

 

Installed Citadel on my PI4, and most of it is working, except i have problems connecting outlook.

I have setup citadel as my mailserver, and i can send and receive email to external accounts (work, gmail, etc). (Test via Webcit)

 

I'm using outlook 2016 and connect via POP3/SMTP.

Outlook collects mail via POP3 fine from the server, using account settings either on port 110 and 995 no problem.

But is keeps asking for my credentials when using SMTP - controlpanel/mailsettings - test account setting - tries to send a test mail.

Tried SMTP via port 25 no encryption, but also using port 465 - with SSL enabled - keeps popping credentials question and port 587 STARTTLS - credentials quesions

'Your email server rejected your login. Verify your user name and password"

email server rejects login using username/password. But they work fine for POP3 logon......

 

Using the same credentials, sending from my Galaxy S10 via wifi on internal network using builtin mailclient using port 465 and SSL is no problem.

So Citadel & Pi should be configured correctly...

 

I'm lost. Any suggestions ?

 

Tnx

 

Bart

 

[Edit]

i've been testing  but no luck yet.

syslog has this error : bad password specified for <> Service <SMTP-MTA>

Should the username not be within those emty brackets ? that would mean the username is not forwarded by outlook to citedal ????

this is the log of one session , as you can see the pop3 session is ok....

Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: citserver[32694]: context: session (POP3) started from Laborix.bartscorner.local (192.168.1.117) uid=-1
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: context: session (POP3) started from Laborix.bartscorner.local (192.168.1.117) uid=-1
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: citserver[32694]: user_ops: <bartver> logged in
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: user_ops: <bartver> logged in
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: citserver[32694]: context: [12718]SRV[POP3] Session ended.
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: context: [12718]SRV[POP3] Session ended.
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: citserver[32694]: context: session (SMTP-MTA) started from Laborix.bartscorner.local (192.168.1.117) uid=-1
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: context: session (SMTP-MTA) started from Laborix.bartscorner.local (192.168.1.117) uid=-1
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: citserver[32694]: user_ops: bad password specified for <> Service <SMTP-MTA> Port <25> Remote <Laborix.bartscorner.local / 192.168.1.117>
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: user_ops: bad password specified for <> Service <SMTP-MTA> Port <25> Remote <Laborix.bartscorner.local / 192.168.1.117>
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: SMTP: client disconnected: ending session.
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: citserver[32694]: SMTP: client disconnected: ending session.
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: citserver[32694]: context: [12719]SRV[SMTP-MTA] Session ended.

 

 



 



 



[#] Fri Apr 16 2021 08:45:42 EDT from Exner

Subject: Konfig SMTP to send internal Mails to public SMTP Server

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Hello

i want to configure a Mailserver . :-)  i want to send Internal mails to Citadel and forward to external Public Mail server.

My Question ist where i config the External Mail server ?

for Example

Mailadress mymail@web.de

my PW      CitadelMail

smtp        smtp.web.dePort 587

Crypt TLS

.....

Can i all internal Mails Forward to this SMTp to send to the Recepiens

 

Thanks alot

Best regards

Joachim



[#] Fri Apr 16 2021 11:55:36 EDT from s3cr3to to FyWolf <fywolf@uncensored.citadel.org>, Citadel_Support <room_Citadel_Support@uncensored.citadel.org>

Subject: Re: File size limit

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Go to

Administration - Site Configuration - Tuning: Maximum message length ____

The size is in bytes, just take note that you should increase the maximum size you expect by 20%, as the file size increases when encoding to text.


On 4/15/21 6:10 AM, FyWolf wrote:

Hi ! I was using citadel and someone wanted to send me a PDF file of 8Mo, but I didn't recieve the mail and my friend got a mail back who said that I wasn't able to recieve file larger than 10Mo.
Is there a way for me to increase the limit ? 20Mo or something like that ?

Cordially, FyWolf




[#] Sat Apr 17 2021 19:12:52 EDT from labancabrera

Subject: Re: Konfig SMTP to send internal Mails to public SMTP Server

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It sounds like you are looking to use that server as a mail relay.  Take a look at this page:

 

https://www.citadel.org/relay.html



[#] Sat Apr 17 2021 19:20:58 EDT from labancabrera

Subject: Re: Outgoing E-mails Not Received

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So I've signed up with Mailjet with appears to offer free SMTP relays for low volume (<200 per day) users.  I've entered the following as a smart host:

 

smtps://5859892b0d8c3d412e6e5cea:ccb2d9f42492c08d443fd5c2e@in-v3.mailjet.com:25

 

While I'm seeing e-mails go out out of the send queue they are not being received.  I've created the SPF and DKIM records as directed by mailjet (which they automatically retrieve and verify) but still my mails are not being received.  

spf = 

v=spf1 include:spf.mailjet.com ?all

 

Do I need to do any spf configuration on the Citadel server?  Are there any logs I can look at to see what's happening?  Or does anyone have any other thoughts?

 

Thank you all for your help!

 

Laban



[#] Mon Apr 19 2021 18:14:53 EDT from bartv

Subject: Re: SMTP authentication problem from outlook

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been testing with different style usernames and passwords - still no connection.

I'm not 100% sure if that's the reason or if i misinterpreted things, but since my testing i cannot get my phone to connect to smtp either, so it is not limited to outlook.

Bart

 

Fri Apr 16 2021 02:55:45 EDT from chrisskhc Subject: Re: SMTP authentication problem from outlook

Hello,

 

I have exactly the same problem since I updated to build 931 via easyinstall.

Everything works fine except the mail client connection to the SMTP.

 

I would also be very grateful for targeted tips on troubleshooting.

 

chrisskhc

 

 

Tue Apr 13 2021 09:56:56 EDT from bartv Subject: Re: SMTP authentication problem from outlook

 

Fri Apr 09 2021 06:07:11 EDT from bartv Subject: SMTP authentication problem from outlook

Hello all,

 

Could not find search function in this forum, so apologies if this is a recurring question.

 

Installed Citadel on my PI4, and most of it is working, except i have problems connecting outlook.

I have setup citadel as my mailserver, and i can send and receive email to external accounts (work, gmail, etc). (Test via Webcit)

 

I'm using outlook 2016 and connect via POP3/SMTP.

Outlook collects mail via POP3 fine from the server, using account settings either on port 110 and 995 no problem.

But is keeps asking for my credentials when using SMTP - controlpanel/mailsettings - test account setting - tries to send a test mail.

Tried SMTP via port 25 no encryption, but also using port 465 - with SSL enabled - keeps popping credentials question and port 587 STARTTLS - credentials quesions

'Your email server rejected your login. Verify your user name and password"

email server rejects login using username/password. But they work fine for POP3 logon......

 

Using the same credentials, sending from my Galaxy S10 via wifi on internal network using builtin mailclient using port 465 and SSL is no problem.

So Citadel & Pi should be configured correctly...

 

I'm lost. Any suggestions ?

 

Tnx

 

Bart

 

[Edit]

i've been testing  but no luck yet.

syslog has this error : bad password specified for <> Service <SMTP-MTA>

Should the username not be within those emty brackets ? that would mean the username is not forwarded by outlook to citedal ????

this is the log of one session , as you can see the pop3 session is ok....

Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: citserver[32694]: context: session (POP3) started from Laborix.bartscorner.local (192.168.1.117) uid=-1
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: context: session (POP3) started from Laborix.bartscorner.local (192.168.1.117) uid=-1
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: citserver[32694]: user_ops: <bartver> logged in
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: user_ops: <bartver> logged in
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: citserver[32694]: context: [12718]SRV[POP3] Session ended.
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: context: [12718]SRV[POP3] Session ended.
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: citserver[32694]: context: session (SMTP-MTA) started from Laborix.bartscorner.local (192.168.1.117) uid=-1
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: context: session (SMTP-MTA) started from Laborix.bartscorner.local (192.168.1.117) uid=-1
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: citserver[32694]: user_ops: bad password specified for <> Service <SMTP-MTA> Port <25> Remote <Laborix.bartscorner.local / 192.168.1.117>
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: user_ops: bad password specified for <> Service <SMTP-MTA> Port <25> Remote <Laborix.bartscorner.local / 192.168.1.117>
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: SMTP: client disconnected: ending session.
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: citserver[32694]: SMTP: client disconnected: ending session.
Apr 13 15:18:18 raspix citserver[32694]: citserver[32694]: context: [12719]SRV[SMTP-MTA] Session ended.

 

 



 



 



 



[#] Wed Apr 21 2021 13:18:21 EDT from labancabrera

Subject: Citadel Crypto Crashing

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citserver[10720]: SMTP: client disconnected: ending session.

citserver[10720]: context: [2085]SRV[SMTP-MTA] Session ended.

citserver[10720]: context: session (IMAPS) started from 23.129.64.205 (23.129.64 .205) uid=-1

citserver[10720]: crypto: SSL/TLS using TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 on TLSv1.3 (128 o f 128 bits)

citserver[10720]: crypto: ending SSL/TLS

Segmentation fault

root@raspberrypi:/usr/local/citadel#

 

Anyone have any idea what might be causing this?

 


[#] Fri Apr 23 2021 00:37:56 EDT from smashbot64

Subject: user auth

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Is anyone interested in explaining to a dangerous idiot (me) what would be involved with causing citadel register/authenticate its users via phpBB's mariaDB? I see that citadel uses BerkleyDB by default. My website is held together by phpBB (I know, blasphemy and treason, but hear me out) which really only is in place to authenticate users and duct tape things together.

My site is focused on the following:

1. Analog Telephone Switching
2. Commodore computers
3. Internet chat rooms (kindasorta like chaturbate but without the p0rn)

https://www.smashbot.com

This isn't an ad for my site, but my mildly autistic self is having trouble explaining where I am trying to get to with this. Maybe if someone looked at what I have done so far they would say "ah, i get it". Not likely but one can hope.

So, in a nutshell... the way I have used phpBB holds 2 things together: the first is the entry point to the chat rooms app (working), and also the entry
point to the citadel (citadel.smashbot.com) where the rooms and levels and email and all the other goodyness and ungodliness will live. Right now I have a few scattered "forums" on phpBB being populated mostly by RSS. I want to move those into the citadel. Thus my phpBB instance would have two offerings: the internet chatroom, and citadel.

The whole point is I am trying to offer single sign on. Once a user registers on my website handled by phpBB, the auth works on the citadel so as not to inconvenience and confuse people by an additional registration like user and password. I think I could make phpBB and citadel do LDAP somehow, but I would have to teach myself LDAP and phpBB auth via LDAP, and citadel auth via LDAP,  but my chat room app does not speak LDAP.  

I may have a vague recollection of asking this question before. Maybe that wasn't me. My apologies if my disability is causing deja vu, because as I typed this out it's still vu ja de to me.

 



[#] Sat Apr 24 2021 01:14:27 EDT from smashbot64

Subject: Re: Citadel Crypto Crashing

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I have experienced phantom errors like unexplainable segfaults that normally dont happen on architectures other than raspberry pi. 

In many cases, upgrading the SD card to a higher quality name brand card made these issues stop. There is a indepth technical explanation for why this happens on a raspi but you will need to searchengine for it because I forget where I read about it.

 



[#] Sat Apr 24 2021 12:22:34 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: user auth

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Is anyone interested in explaining to a dangerous idiot (me) what
would be involved with causing citadel register/authenticate its
users via phpBB's mariaDB? I see that citadel uses BerkleyDB by

Your setup sounds fascinating and a lot of fun!

The existing Citadel Server code can authenticate using its own internal database, using LDAP, or using the underlying host system. It can also authenticate using OpenID, but I'm thinking in the future we probably want to change it to SAML because that's what most single sign-on systems are using these days.

For your application, it sounds like LDAP isn't an option for you, because there are parts of your system that do not speak LDAP. If your chat room can authenticate to phpBB, it sounds like you'd prefer phpBB to be the authoritative source of authentication.

I'm going to assume that you're not willing to write and maintain a separate authentication module here. So here are a couple of options:

1. If you can find a PAM module that allows users to log in to Linux itself using phpBB accounts, Citadel can easily be configured to follow that.

2. We could explore building a tool to synchronize the Citadel user database to the phpBB user database. You mentioned something about the latter being in a SQL database; do you know whether passwords are stored either in the clear or with reversible encryption? If you can get an external program running that scans phpBB user accounts, we can do some scripting to add/change/remove identical accounts in Citadel using its client protocol.

[#] Sat Apr 24 2021 12:23:13 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I wanted to get things straight with the text mode. The main menu says

to type .Help SUMMARY, but that help file doesn't exist. I couldn't

I'm not sure what happened to the "summary" help file, but typing ".?" will give you the same output.

[#] Sat Apr 24 2021 23:57:42 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Good news! The text of ".Help SUMMARY" was still in there, it just didn't get indexed when we moved the help texts from separate files to embedded in the code. This has been fixed, and will appear in the next release.

[#] Sun Apr 25 2021 01:04:59 EDT from smashbot64

Subject: Re: user auth

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The reason phpBB is the entry point is because the chat server software (blabwspro, https://justblab.com) is a whole lot of php with a websocket server. Lots of what it does lives in a mysql database (mariaDB in my case). Blab was engineered to be "integrated" with many different types of deployments, phpBB happens to be one. The vision I had when Inl started this would be for the blab chat experience to be a Room within citadel. While I know all the source for both blab and citadel are open Source, my skills to mesh them are not up to speed. 

In playing with what I could get working, I found that phpBB could present my blab chat instance as a phpBB page, in an iframe. Options in blab allow it to be integrated into phpbb (or vbulletin, or a whole lot others) and then I tried to use phpbb to present the chat room, or citadel. I get that phpbb does some of the same things that citadel does but it doesn't do all of what citadel does. 

Cutting to the chase, my blabwspro chat app obtains its user auth from the php mysql database. Blabwspro ships with its own mysql authentication, but it can be configured to obey phpbb. If there were integration between blabwspro and citadel,  I'd not be trying to figure this out. I have discussed this with the developer of blabwspro and he has never tried to integrate it with a citadel install.

 

So... the path of least resistance I can see, to help in my case is to guide me on making citadel read phbBB's db for user tokens, since phpBB will be charged with generating the initial user account. Citadel would need to be able to read/write mysql entries. I have a disability that causes nonsense. Please do not get frustrated by my long drawn out exculpatory penchant complicity effigious Godzilla sauce and I didn't think the world would end this way.



[#] Sun Apr 25 2021 01:17:35 EDT from smashbot64

Subject: Re: user auth

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After typing all of what I did I realize that the solution is a module that allows citadel to authenticate on a phpBB database. I believe the passwords are Hashed, but user activities between and among apps are carried out via unique tokens. I'm not quite up to that chapter



[#] Mon Apr 26 2021 10:52:01 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Are you able to handle the phpBB side? If so, I can probably get you the Citadel client code to add.

[#] Wed Apr 28 2021 00:04:34 EDT from smashbot64

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The phpBB side? Maybe...

here's what I know: 

I have phpBB 3.3.3 running on Debian 10 with Apache2, php 7.3.27-1~deb10u1, and MySQL(i) 10.3.27-MariaDB-0+deb10u1.

On the same linux instance lives citadel.smashbot.com, running Citadel 931 with WebCit 931, server build 931.

My chatroom software is in /var/www/html/smashbot.com/public_html/chat/  Because all the phpBB files are in ~/public_html/.

phpBB and the chat room are both in the same mysql database, the chatroom tables start with blabwspro_ and phpBB's tables start with phpBB_ .

Blabwspro has its own authentication system, but if you choose the option for BB/CMS integration and select phpBB, blabwspro instead lets phpBB be the authentication authority. From there, blabwspro reads the phpBB session/login cookies. 

I tell the blabwspro chatroom software the phpBB session cookie, and then use a phpBB extension called Pages to display the chatroom in an iframe with <iframe src="PATH_OR_URL_TO_BLAB/index.php" border="0" frameborder="0" style="width:100%;height:400px;border-width:0px"></iframe>

If, with your help, I could get citadel's authentication to work the same way, then citadel would not manage user accounts but simply translate what user account info is stored in the phpbb_users database and utilize the session cookies. I know you previously asked about the structure. I think the password part is hashed, but phpBB is open source and well documented. The problem is getting ME up to speed, I am learning as I go. At least I tell myself that. I suppose the only way to know, since YOU know the innards of citadel better than anyone else I know, would be for me to email you the database table from mysql so you can see for yourself how it works.

IF this does happen to work, it will let me use phpBB to glue together 3 of my favorite platforms (blabwspro_chat, citadel, and vice_emu for commodore) with a single entry and login point. Once that is done, I will be able to upload all of my precious content to engage users for extensive participation. At least that's the dream.

 




[#] Wed Apr 28 2021 00:23:58 EDT from smashbot64

Subject: Re: user auth

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I may have forgotten to mention- The MAIN reason I even use phpBB to glue together the 3 platforms is because phpBB can do the auth for 2 out of 3, so far. Right now the site is functional. The issue is the redundant logins currently needed when a user selects a "door" or forum or level or room called citadel. I want citadel to manage my forums and postings, not phpBB. I could just leave the forum management to phpBB but I want citadel to do it. 

The reverse option is possible- getting citadel to be the authenticator for blabwspro chat software which is all php and mysql. The convo between the chatroom developer and myself went like this:

ME: "I could ditch phpBB as a frontend and authenticator because ultimately, the forum software that I wish to integrate the chat room is Citadel. All the details of this forum groupware is explained at citadel.org

The major issue I can see is blabwspro runs on mysqldb and I forget, maybe it works with postgres but I forget. Citadel on the other hand uses berkeley db. I know there are debian translators available to parse queries and writes between mariadb and berkeley db , but I guess my question is,
would integrating blabwspro to a berkley db environment be a huge undertaking?"

BLAB DEVELOPER: "You have to connect from PHP to the other software database and run a query to verify the user using a session var or a cookie and in case of course the other software provides such cookies/sessions."

and that's where I am at. so far.



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