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[#] Tue Mar 23 2021 15:11:49 EDT from blakeb130

Subject: Citadel Mailing Lists

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I'm looking to make a few mailing lists for ~200 people across different email providers to be able to send mail to the entire list. Ideally, only admins and a select few others would actually access the citadel interface. Is this a viable use case for citadel, or am I misunderstanding everything?



[#] Tue Mar 23 2021 18:31:03 EDT from blakeb130

Subject: Re: Citadel mailbox storage

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Sat Mar 20 2021 16:29:09 EDT from ParrotHeadPhan Subject: Citadel mailbox storage

I’m setting up citadel on a raspberry pi.  I’m new to the Linux world and very new to RPi.  What I’m wondering is, since the RPi boots and runs off an sd card and I assume a mailbox database would be far too big for the sd card, how do i configure citadel to store the mailbox database to either and nfs or samba share?

thanks y’all  



Personally, I booted the pi off an SSD connected through USB and ditched the SD card entirely. I've had bad experiences in the past with SD card reliability, especially on the PI. This would give you the option of just storing it on the local drive, and that can be as large as you can find an SSD. That said, SD cards can come in capacities around 1 TB, so depending on the server size, that could store the database.



[#] Wed Mar 24 2021 13:47:29 EDT from zooer

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Is the ungoto function working correctly?  I never seem to go back to the last room.

 



[#] Wed Mar 24 2021 15:58:41 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

Subject: Re: Email Server Down... citadel.service fails to start... raspberry pi 4

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A few messages up, this issue and the solution was discussed. The entire thread is there, if the snip below doesn't make sense. On the Pi, even your root account does not have access to the /files directory where Citadel stores attachments.: 


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Yeah, this was one of the main reasons I updated to an i5 NUC and full Debian... and in the process of migrating, I discovered this issue. :) 

Otherwise I was pretty happy running it on a Pi 3, and it ran pretty well. 


But, it was a good learning experience, and made me understand the whole thing better - and get more serious about running the BBS - so, I suppose it was worth it. :) 

 

 

Wed Mar 10 2021 19:37:29 EST from NevadaRobSubject: Re: collect: premature EOM: input/output error

Right you are!

for anyone else with this issue

cd /usr/local/citadel

sudo chmod -R 775 test

sudo chown -R citadel:citadel test

Thanks

 
Tue Mar 16 2021 16:00:50 EDT from rbaral233 Subject: Email Server Down... citadel.service fails to start... raspberry pi 4

hey i am having an issue with my email server. It has been up and functioning perfectly for the past probably 6+ months since ive set it up... only 1 user, and everything is setup and running fine before this but i noticed after i was unable to reach the web interface the other day that the server isn't  running. The raspberry pi that its installed on is up and running perfectly, updated through apt-get update/upgrade as of the other day... and is on the network and nothing on any infrastructure end has changed.

BUT randomly like i said i noticed the email server went down and now is not functioning on the raspberry pi, and any attempt to reboot, or cmd prompt "restart or start citadel.service" fails and gives me exit code 105... i get no other info or anything given as to why or what happened or what is failing, but if someone could 1 point me in the right direction as to find the logs and if i can track down when/ why it failed in the first place... as well as if anyone has any experience or knows why or how to repair it or repair the server files as a whole if that may be the issue.....

 

 

Thanks,

Rob



 



[#] Thu Mar 25 2021 06:45:13 EDT from RandomAnalyst

Subject: TLS restrictions

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Hello,

Can someone please help us how to restrict ssh communication to only TLSv1.2 at Citadel mail server which is running in docker???

Thanks in advance :)



[#] Fri Mar 26 2021 17:08:02 EDT from ASCII Express

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Hi everyone! I just installed Citadel and noticed a few minor issues.
The installation script copied citadel.rc to /, instead of /usr/local/citadel. I moved it there manually.
After logging in, I noticed that the main menu instructs the user to type <.H>elp SUMMARY, but doing this results in a file not found message. I do see some other help files, including the intro.
Thanks for keeping Citadel alive.

[#] Fri Mar 26 2021 18:07:36 EDT from gronkdalonka

Subject: 500 No such user on AUTH LOGIN

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I noticed with the latest easy-install version of citadel sending mails via some clients (Fairemail) is not possible because smtp's AUTH LOGIN throws a "500 No such user" error when submitting an existing user name.
AUTH PLAIN is working fine.

So i guess smtp LOGIN is broken.

Can this be fixed or LOGIN removed from available AUTH methods?
Or is just something wrong with my setup?

 



[#] Sat Mar 27 2021 17:20:52 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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So... 

What *is* the current process for upgrading a production Citadel? I mean, I don't need a step by step - but is it just point to the easyinstall from the machine that you want upgraded, and run it? 


I just want to start to get my horses in order. 

 



[#] Sat Mar 27 2021 17:41:45 EDT from Nurb432

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That is my understanding too. 



[#] Sun Mar 28 2021 01:16:30 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I'm just not sure if Citadel should be up and running or shut down while the upgrade takes place. I would assume shut down. 

I'm just not sure if this portion of the Citadel administrator's guide is relevant or depreciated: 

Upgrading

Any existing Citadel installation may be upgraded in place without the need to discard your existing data files.

Upgrading to a new version uses the same build procedure as compiling the program for a fresh install, except that you want to do "make upgrade" instead of "make install". This will overwrite the programs but not your data. Be sure to shut down citserver during this process! If Citadel is running while you upgrade, you may face data corruption issues.

 

After doing make upgrade, you should run setup again to bring your data files up to date. Please see the setup section below for more information on this.

Sat Mar 27 2021 17:41:45 EDT from Nurb432

That is my understanding too. 



 



[#] Sun Mar 28 2021 08:20:24 EDT from cituser

Subject: Warnings implicit declarations gettimeofday

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If GCC warns of "implicit declaration" of "gettimeofday" in context_loop.c and tcp_sockets.c when compiling Webcit, inserting "#include <sys / time.h>" can prevent this.

An alternative use of "clock_gettime (CLOCK_MONOTONIC, & tx_start);" might also work.



[#] Sun Mar 28 2021 08:37:39 EDT from cituser

Subject: warnings deprecated readdir_r

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If GCC warns of "deprecated" by "readdir_r" in icontheme.d, subst.c and static.c, this can be the alternative use of "readdir":

'while ((filedir_entry = readdir (filedir))! = NULL)

// while ((readdir_r (filedir, d, & filedir_entry) == 0) && (filedir_entry! = NULL))

... '


prevent.  Webcit runs unchanged. No debug results yet.



[#] Sun Mar 28 2021 09:55:38 EDT from cituser

Subject: "stripout" removes the character to the left of the left boundary ?!

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"stripout" in tools.c also removes the character to the left of the left boundary for '(lb> 0)'  ?!


So everything between the boundary including the boundary would be removed:

if ( (lb > 0) && (rb > lb) ) { sprintf(&str[lb], &str[rb + 1]); return 1; }
else if ( (lb == 0) && (rb > lb) ) { sprintf(str, &str[rb + 1]); return 1; }



[#] Mon Mar 29 2021 22:22:33 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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root@secure:/home/donovan# sudo service citadel stop

root@secure:/home/donovan# sudo service webcit stop

root@secure:/home/donovan# ps -a

  PID TTY          TIME CMD

 1297 tty2     00:00:00 gnome-session-b

 1328 tty2     00:00:09 gnome-shell

 1351 tty2     00:00:00 Xwayland

 1430 tty2     00:00:00 gsd-power

 1432 tty2     00:00:00 gsd-print-notif

 1433 tty2     00:00:00 gsd-rfkill

...

wget -q -O - https://easyinstall.citadel.org/install | bash

root@secure:/home/donovan# wget -q -O - https://easyinstall.citadel.org/install | bash

 Welcome to Citadel Easy Install...

...


All finished! You are ready to log in.


I saved notes this time. I've done this several times - but each time, I forget the steps I've pieced together to do this. I did have to do an apt-get update on my production box that wasn't necessary on my test server - but I felt pretty confident that if the test server worked, the upgrade wasn't going to introduce anything that would bork production, being that test is just an image of production. 

A calculated gamble - but I did have a backup. 




[#] Tue Mar 30 2021 13:17:58 EDT from punomatic

Subject: Importing gmail contacts to Citadel mail server

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I have exported my gmail contacts to a .csv file. Is there a way to import them into "Contacts" in the Citadel mail server? Thanks. I'm new to Citadel, so please be gentle. 



[#] Wed Mar 31 2021 12:57:46 EDT from ewest111

Subject: Citadel installation

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I am trying to find a way to change the default email database for Citadel.  I have installed on a RPi and have a persistent nfs share to a nas which is where I'd like to store the database since I figure the usb drive I'm booting the RPi from would fill up rather quickly.  I've looked at several resources and they all say that I should be prompted for the database location when I run ./setup but I only get admin user, password, ports, and auth. Any help would be greatly appreciated.



[#] Thu Apr 01 2021 10:08:33 EDT from spot

Subject: maximum password length exceeded on setup

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How to reset the password on the admin account with a ssh connect to the server.

 

I've googled and you have no idea how many things out there are called "citadel". Steam apparently have a game and it swamps the search hits for overriding passwords, even if you put a -steam qualifier.

 

I did find a very belated note out there that the maximum character length is 32 characters, which may or may not be outdated information. The shortest maximum I've ever seen was 9 characters on ICQ after the protocol became popular in Russia, presumably someone running the network was trying hard not to get arrested.

 

Anyway, I fell head-first into the trap and I don't know how to climb out. I could re-run the easy install but I thought I'd ask and then go for a walk.



[#] Fri Apr 02 2021 00:26:54 EDT from ASCII Express

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I forgot to say that when I did a new installation of Citadel, that the messages/ directory had nothing in it. I downloaded the source for citserver and copied them in manually.

[#] Fri Apr 02 2021 19:27:00 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

Subject: Re: maximum password length exceeded on setup

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Rerun the setup, or just run easy install again - which is an "in place upgrade" - it'll come to a point where it will verify the username and password for the Admin account - you can change it there. I think that will solve your issue. 

 

Thu Apr 01 2021 10:08:33 EDT from spot Subject: maximum password length exceeded on setup

How to reset the password on the admin account with a ssh connect to the server.

 

I've googled and you have no idea how many things out there are called "citadel". Steam apparently have a game and it swamps the search hits for overriding passwords, even if you put a -steam qualifier.

 

I did find a very belated note out there that the maximum character length is 32 characters, which may or may not be outdated information. The shortest maximum I've ever seen was 9 characters on ICQ after the protocol became popular in Russia, presumably someone running the network was trying hard not to get arrested.

 

Anyway, I fell head-first into the trap and I don't know how to climb out. I could re-run the easy install but I thought I'd ask and then go for a walk.



 



[#] Sat Apr 03 2021 11:25:30 EDT from markus

Subject: Re: How to address smart hosts in citadel?

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Hello developers,

I think the smart host feature is not working for sure.

I used a network sniffer to analyse the network traffic of my old and my new citadel server (the new one runs by the way at the time of writing the most recent software).

What was the result? The old citadel server connected to the smart host as it should and delivered the mail without any error. But the new server did nothing. Beeing configured with the same smart host connection parameters it did not even try to connect to the smart host. Please fix this issue!

 

Developers, when you release new software, I strongly encourage you to provide detailed release notes, too. Notes that tell us what made it into the new software. Feautures and bug fixes. I don't want to test all issues after each software release just to see if it is fixed or not. Thank you.

 

Happy Easter!

Markus

 

 

 

Sun Feb 14 2021 18:09:46 EST from markus Subject: Re: How to address smart hosts in citadel?

Hello folks,

I did some investigation concerning my smart host problem.

What I have found so far: When I send mails with my mail user agent that connects to my citadel server and this citadel server is configured to use a smart host for outgojng mails then citadel porbably does not try to connect to the smart host. It is an assumption, but underpinned by the fact that I cannot find any entries in

/var/log/syslog

/var/log/mail.log

/var/log/mail.info

and my mail service provider that provides the smart host cannot find any smart host's log entries that would show that citadel tries to connect to it.

Dear memeber of the development team: Doesn't citadel log connections to smart hosts or is it possible that the smart host feature is actually not working?

Thanks,

Markus

 

Tue Feb 02 2021 17:04:07 EST from markus Subject: Re: How to address smart hosts in citadel?

Thanks for the responses of you both.

I think I have to explain what I did:

My old citadel system was running for years successfully using a smart host to deliver emails. The smart host was configured according to the following pattern:

   username:password@host:port

On my new citadel system I wanted to use the very same smart host. That's why I had configured the smart host the very same way. But while the old citadel system delivers mails via smart host, the new citadel system does not.

That's my problem. And that's why I was asking for the precise addressing in order to exclude any changes that could have been taking place on the road from the old to the most recent citadel system. And when I understand you right, warbaby, nothing has changed.

What I kno is that I can reach the smart host from both machines, from the older and the newer one. What I haven't done so far is asking the system administration people of the smart host if their log files can tell a story.

digbick, does your citadel system successfully deliver mails via smart host? If so, do you run the most recent webcit/citadel that is availabel via Easy Install?

warbay, when I try to find the reason for my smart host problem can I exclude any envolvement of citadel/webcit?

Thank you both a lot,

Markus

 

 

Mon Feb 01 2021 20:02:21 EST from warbaby Subject: Re: How to address smart hosts in citadel?

 

smart-host: Normally, Citadel sends outbound Internet e-mail directly to its destination. This may not be appropriate for some sites; you may require (due to local convention, security policy, or whatever) that all outbound mail be sent to an SMTP relay or forwarder. To configure this functionality, simply enter the domain name or IP address of your relay as a 'smart-host' entry.

If your relay server is running on a port other than the standard SMTP port 25, you can also specify the port number using "host:port" syntax; i.e. relay99.myisp.com:2525

Furthermore, if your relay server requires authentication, you can specify it using username:password@host or username:password@host:port syntax; for example, jsmith:pass123@relay99.myisp.com:25

A fallback host is a smart-host that is only used if mail cannot be delivered directly to its destination. This is useful if you prefer direct delivery but do not want your server queue filling up with deferred deliveries.

https://www.citadel.org/system_administration_manual.html

Mon Feb 01 2021 04:49:58 PM EST from digbick Subject: Re: How to address smart hosts in citadel?

 

Tue Jan 19 2021 17:47:56 EST from markus Subject: How to address smart hosts in citadel?

Hello all again,

could anybody tell me how smart host should be addressed in citadel (please be as precise as possible)?

Thanks in advance

Markus

 



 

From the Administration Menu, open:

Domain names and Internet mail configuration

Then fill the box at Smart hosts with the FQDN or IP address of your smarthost. That easy. The hard part is setting up a smarthost...

 



 



 



 



 



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