This is one of the biggest lies of the Left... that "straight white males," see any erosion of their dominant position in society as "racism" against themselves. That is how that is framed. 

I can guarantee you - that over the last 40 years, a consistent message that straight white males, the Western European Christian Patriarchy -  is the root of all problems in society - has absolutely not just "diminished the power and influence of straight white males," in society - but has been the foundation of the slow erosion of our civilization and society. Since the 70s, the Left has blamed *everything* on the White European Patriarchy or some variation of that boogey-man. From civil rights to global climate change - all of it is caused by supposedly "wealthy white oligarchs" with no regard for anything but their own wealth and with an active agenda to steal every facet of the contributions of people of color and alternative sexual attraction for their own benefit. 

Her side HAS been winning - and it HAS made it a worse world not just for me - but even for the people it originally claimed to be trying to move ahead. If they ever were - it is clear that 50 years of progressive social programs hasn't moved the needle in a positive direction. In fact, OBAMA was the biggest setback to racial harmony in the United States in my lifetime. A complete disaster for race relations that had been steadily improving since the 1964 Civil Rights act. 

People of color and members of the LGBT community consistently claim they live in the WORST time in history to be members of that group - when in fact, there has been no BETTER time to be a member of one of those groups. 

Sat Dec 06 2025 17:55:05 UTC from Nurb432

You would be just fine if her side wins.  

 

She'll also be fine if my side wins. We might call her lifestyle abhorrent, or otherwise criticize her life choices - but my side, you know - we're not the ones shooting people in the neck for wanting to SAY things that the other side doesn't like to hear. There are these constant claims that we would prefer a world like the Handmaid's tale. No. Not at all - some of the religious the other side supports though - ALREADY have that system in place where they dominant government and social norms. 

I think you misunderstand her position. Her biggest thing is to leave everyone alone to do their own thing and work together to improve everyone's life in the process. Just don't take your differences to negatively impact others. Which includes waving flags in peoples faces and forced acceptance.. shes not one of those.  "ya, since you ask, i am, have a nice day" and moves on.  Actually, any of my friends ( whom most are gone now ) that were 'alt' ( in any reason.. not just preferences ) were that way. They were not looking for 'acceptance' just be left to live their life. If they were flag wavers and 'force you to accept me' types then they wouldn't have been a friend.

Even her religious attitude is the same "believe and practice what you want, just dont enforce it on others".    Now, mine, on the other hand is a bit less tolerant, in attitude. 

But next time she is around, she can explain herself better than i.

Sun Dec 07 2025 02:12:47 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

This is one of the biggest lies of the Left... that "straight white males," see any erosion of their dominant position in society as "racism" against themselves. That is how that is framed. 

I can guarantee you - that over the last 40 years, a consistent message that straight white males, the Western European Christian Patriarchy -  is the root of all problems in society - has absolutely not just "diminished the power and influence of straight white males," in society - but has been the foundation of the slow erosion of our civilization and society. Since the 70s, the Left has blamed *everything* on the White European Patriarchy or some variation of that boogey-man. From civil rights to global climate change - all of it is caused by supposedly "wealthy white oligarchs" with no regard for anything but their own wealth and with an active agenda to steal every facet of the contributions of people of color and alternative sexual attraction for their own benefit. 

Her side HAS been winning - and it HAS made it a worse world not just for me - but even for the people it originally claimed to be trying to move ahead. If they ever were - it is clear that 50 years of progressive social programs hasn't moved the needle in a positive direction. In fact, OBAMA was the biggest setback to racial harmony in the United States in my lifetime. A complete disaster for race relations that had been steadily improving since the 1964 Civil Rights act. 

People of color and members of the LGBT community consistently claim they live in the WORST time in history to be members of that group - when in fact, there has been no BETTER time to be a member of one of those groups. 

 

Sat Dec 06 2025 17:55:05 UTC from Nurb432

You would be just fine if her side wins.  

 

 

Well dammit. i had done a reply to this, and as i hit submit, https died. So lost it all.  Soooo 2nd attempt, but much shorter.

Since you missed the arguments about this stuff earlier in the year, cliff notes version: 

• I dont care what people believe. I may disagree with you but if you want to believe in the magic octopus, or that the earth is flat. More power to you.
• I also dont care what people do on their own time, in their own homes.  You want to eat spaghetti and pay tribute to the FSM, while wearing a callendar on your head an an eye patch, great. Want to put black marker on your forehead, skip dinner, and dance around, great. go for it.  Want to dance around a campfire and chant? Sure, i wont stop you, have fun.
• However, dont camp out on the street corner and toss pamphlets at me. Don't go to my door selling your particular deity, i will call the cops. Its illegal here to solicit without a licence, or ignore my sign. You get fined. And i have called. Keep it to yourself please.
• BUT: Since childhood i have felt that organized religion was nothing more than a fleece and power-grab. ( and only reinforced as i got older ) They use threats and actual violence to enforce compliance, just like any other organized crime syndicate. They should be treated as such.

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Sun Dec 07 2025 15:11:04 UTC from Nurb432

  Now, mine, on the other hand is a bit less tolerant, in attitude. 

 

 

I think people can't look at this statement rationally, impartially - because of the "Nazi" part of it. I wish I could come up with a better analogy to make people see what I mean here. It isn't support for the Nazis or fascism. But if you say, "unless you accept you are a villain, you ARE a villain," and the other side is saying, "we do not see you as a villain, we see you as hope and progress," 

Which side is going to be more appealing to you? 

Russell Brand has moved right and now is a Christian. Bill Maher has moved somewhat right. Rosanna Barr has moved right. The Left alienates people on their own side on the smallest disagreements with their ideology.  

I am not what is wrong. But if it comes down to taking a side right now - one side wants to win and make me repent for sins that I did not commit. The other side wants to put me on a pedestal. Which side would YOU take? 

See also: Elon Musk.

He did his best to stay neutral.  The right said "here's where we agree with you; here's where we disagree."  The left said "unless you condemn everyone we call a nazi, you are also a nazi!"   And over the past year or two, as a result, we've seen Elon move more and more over to the side where people think rationally.  He wasn't a right winger at first.  The left made him one.

What he said is close enough, going to stay out of political stuff.   Only thing ill add is that I'm really not on any 'side' politically and socially, and i judge people independently by their actions. That and i'm more of a 'to each their own, just don't impact others, or nature'.

Sun Dec 07 2025 15:11:04 UTC from Nurb432

 

 

But next time she is around, she can explain herself better than i.

 

 

And generally I have been the same - like Elon Musk - a straight, white male Libertarian - which the Left has also pegged as just another manifestation of Straight White Male Fascism. "They used Libertarian ideals to justify their own selfish, self-serving behavior." 

But watching Kirk slaughtered - Kirk was already moving my needle more right - because he basically fits the mold you just described yourself as. He wouldn't want you to be FORCED to accept his philosophies or spiritual beliefs - but he would have been blunt - he would have asked Nurb to maybe analyze why he pushed away from God and Religion when it was PEOPLE who actually caused his issues, I think. A lot of people do not think deeply about why they reject and often resent the message of Christ when what they state they are upset is the way frail humans PRACTICE. 

His arguments against abortion - I already knew those arguments in my heart - and rejected them for my own reasons, because of the society I was raised in, and the benefits agreeing with that society on this issue granted me. But the fruition of that lifestyle, that popular, mainstream message from society... that "abortion is an AGENCY issue," Kirk was good at undermining that - and listening to the things he said made me think about how our secular society is hypocritical on this topic. 

And then, secular society showed their hand by murdering Kirk - because a LOT of people were responding to the way he presented things - and showed their actual value for life. 

So, now I could care less about their arguments about the "agency of the mother." If agency is an issue - I agree that from the moment of conception - the cells inside the mother's womb have just as much right to AGENCY as it relates to going on living as does the mother. 

Kirk really didn't do this - change my mind on this. The Left did. Because they had no problem aborting Charlie Kirk - and they celebrated that abortion. They don't care about AGENCY - they care about excuses to justify their selfish behavior. So the Libertarian, "live and let live, live and let die," philosophy no longer holds charm for me - as it is often abused. I'm willing to exercise restricting the agency of someone who simply made bad choices, or even someone who through more unfortunate circumstances ended up pregnant - for the agency of the absolutely innocent life she bares inside her. 

The Left is losing mind-share in this regard... and the Libertarian middle will find that their "socially left leaning" attitudes are also increasingly regarded as "part of the problem." 

There is less room to "not really be on either side." The Left has made it that way - you may not be extremist in how you approach being "neutral," but the left takes your neutral position and militarizes it with radical activism. 

Sat Dec 13 2025 17:44:45 UTC from ZoeGraystone

What he said is close enough, going to stay out of political stuff.   Only thing ill add is that I'm really not on any 'side' politically and socially, and i judge people independently by their actions. That and i'm more of a 'to each their own, just don't impact others, or nature'.

 

In the past I would have agreed with you here - but the Left has left the rest of us little choice but to accept "if you're not with us, you're against us," ideology. 
When they started celebrating killing us when we said, "I just want to debate," and they didn't like that we were winning those debates. 

There is a point where you have to, for your own personal security - say, "I cannot abide "reasonable compromise," with your side anymore." 

Because when they talk about things that are "reasonable," like "reasonable gun control laws," what ends up happening is that they disarm the population and then make them victims and targets for radical Leftist agenda that they are powerless to fight back against, because they are now unarmed. This is what is happening in England - where teachers are being arrested indefinitely for refusing to call students by "preferred pronouns." 

They've eroded the concept of a 2nd amendment in England - and as the Founding Fathers of America would have argued - without a 2nd amendment a 1st amendment is surely eventually revoked. 

I'd love to find common ground where the Left accepts that the 2nd amendment isn't something that can be modified. It is instrumental to the 1st amendment - and they're both absolutes - it is why they are the FIRST and SECOND things that the Founding Fathers codified in the Constitution. These are INALIENABLE rights. But all the Left ever wants is conciliatory submission to their desires on issues like these. 

And it pervades EVERY cause they take up. They come into Role Playing game communities - and they claim, "We LOVE this community, we want you to be inclusive of us, we want you to stop gatekeeping. We want you to find COMMON ground with us." 

And we do. And then once they build up a base in that community, they move on to, "We find THESE aspects of this community troubling, problematic, and triggering. And we would like you to remove these things, in order to compromise and be more inclusive of how the community YOU'VE built makes us feel." 

And then, they start the inquisitions - "Gary Gygax was a misogynist and a racist, and his legacy of enabling those things in this community should be publicly disowned. Those who do not agree with us, should be driven from our community. There is no place for their attitudes and opinions here. If you do not agree, you are part of the problem, and we will exclude you from this community - ban you from conventions, boycott your games and contributions, and drive you out." 

And then that community collapses - because before it was a community of FANTASY ROLE PLAYING gamers - first - who got past things like gender, sexual identity, political ideologies, whatever - for a love of the game and the community - but now it is controlled by POLITICAL activists who see the community as just another platform to promote their ideologies and agendas. 

And no matter how trivial the community. FRP Gaming, escapist fiction and fantasy, cinema fandoms - once they infiltrate that community - it is the same playbook every time. Systematic disassembly of the entire community. They destroy unity, they sow division. 

Over and over and over again. And we constantly respond with attempts to "find common ground and compromise." 

Some things can't be compromised on - many which SEEM on the surface as inconsequential. 

Increasingly we even see otherwise left leaning members of the LGB (less so the T+ part) rejecting this kind of liberal Leftist activism saying bluntly "Not EVERYTHING has to be gay, and forcing this agenda constantly down EVERYONE'S throat is alienating people toward us more than it is helping them accept us. It is not productive." 

Which is a good start. That is the kind of compromise from the Left I can get on board with. But it involves US being inflexible and refusing to continue to budge to the point where they go, "Guys, I don't think this is working anymore." 

Fri Jan 02 2026 16:57:39 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

It's also the same type of cognitive failure that leads to your observation:

There is less room to "not really be on either side."

Where the political right (the actual political right, not the caricature of us painted by the media) says "Here's where we disagree, but nothing would please us more than to find common ground" the left says "If you're not with us, you're against us, and if you're against us you are a nazi and a fascist and do not deserve to live." In the current moment in history there is no better example than Mr. Elon Musk, a man who believes in anthropogenic global warming and moved the electric vehicle industry forward while pushing solar power and other heroic left-wing sacraments -- but because he decided to work with the President on a project to reduce government waste, the left was obligated to crucify him.

There is a lot of legitimacy to the phrase "I didn't leave <group> ; it left me."