I did add the disclaimer:   "over all else" 

And again, 'shove it down our throats' is NOT the tool's fault. its the people driving things. Same as always, the common thread is people. ( and mostly the elite who don't care about us 'regular' folk, but regardless its not the tool ).  You are simply confusing a tool with how its being implemented. And yes, i am not fond of it being forced 'everywhere' either but its not the tool's fault, blame the people who are behind it. Not the first thing they have done this with, and wont be the last. 

For example: Im also not fond of the forced 'smart phone' garbage too, but i don't blame the phone.

Fri May 22 2026 15:05:16 EDT from zelgomer

2026-05-22 17:55 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
Profit over all else is currently destroying many industries.  

The purpose of business is to turn profit, I understand and accept that. My problem is that AI is not profitable. It's idiotic. And I think the amount of hype to shove it down our throats is evidence of that.

another good example:

Like most people, I hate ads. i hate them being pushed everywhere you look, they are stupid, etc.  But i don't blame the technology behind making my TV work. Or my computer..  I blame the marketing companies.

Oh, and dont worry, i wont go into the weeds on how humans and LLMs are basically processing past knowledge patterns in order to predict outcomes, ( even typing.. how to construct simple sentences is all about predictive analysis via past structure training.. for us, kindergarten ) and the only real difference between us ( aside from the underlying mechanical structure, since we have neurons and they use digital math ) is that LLMs as of yet cant do real-time modification "re-training" of their core model, like we do, so there are limits.  The only person around here that would care to go down that rabbit hole would be Zoe, and she knows more than me anyway :) 

And yes they make mistakes, and yes they sometimes give wrong or even biased answers.  But guess what, so do humans, for many of the the same reasons, the training they received was 'tainted' or 'incomplete', or that random element, just like people have, got in the way. ( we call that inspiration, its not really its just random outcomes from synaptic processing )

 But that is about to change.. Once we get off the GPU treadmill and move to a technology i'm not really permitted to speak of, real time model level re-training and permanent error correction will be common place.

( and sorry to LG. i went way out in left field for this room. ill stop now )

what in the world? ( the font changes.. they were not there until i hit post.. )

Just from how it was worded, that would have been the logical interpretation.   And i'd have defended my TV too, if it was being blamed for the proliferation of ADs. ( keeping in the spirit with my examples )

Oh, and i have spent a lot of my professional life defending tool sets.  "This things sucks, it does, X why cant it to Y"  "Yes, it can do Y, and also do Z, however that was a management decision to do X instead, it was not my decision, nor a tool set limitation".  

Then when the tool set changes, "man why did we have to change"   "Once again, a management decision"

OK, found a work around. Surprisingly that IS an option to turn off in their app.  But if you use that feature, it might prevent notices you need from that 'module'. Donno, we dont use it, so its gone. 

Mon May 18 2026 07:54:47 EDT from Nurb432

 

And related we now use that crap-fest OKTA which is a total disaster. Now the freaking app keeps asking me every other day "do you want to enable fast pass"   In 6 months i get to remove the damned thing.  

I guess at some point they plan on disabling AD totally.  Going to break a lot of apps.  Ill be long gone by then. I also hear its really limited, like 'you can only have x number of groups'  a small percentage that a real enterprise needs..

And it sucks in other ways too. I changed my password 2 months ago. It only synced to AWS. I have to use the new one to login to AWS and the desktop ( if it screen-locks ) BUT any MFA that happens during the session, uses the old password.. as do all other apps we have..  ( and why do i get prompted for MFA while logged into a VDI that is on the freaking domain, ill never understand. ( it did that before the PW change )

Mon May 25 2026 16:02:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

And related we now use that crap-fest OKTA which is a total
disaster. Now the freaking app keeps asking me every other day

Sounds delightful, compared to the Microsoft equivalent.

Well, that was fun.

As mentioned in another room, was going to go to the office campus today. ( drop off a package and pick up that USB security thingie )

I get there, both garages are closed. Never seen that ever, i have seen 'full' but never closed. Tried the public entrance at both w hich oddly still had the open sign up ( and they mix parking spots, so really 1/2 the public is also employee ), my card didn't let me in.. Was about to say screw it and head out, 'oh, we do have that overflow surface lot, i could drive past that on the way ". it had a sign ' employees only", so figured i could get in, but same thing, wont read my badge. Ended up hitting the 'ticket' button by accident and it printed me a ticket and opened. so i went on in anyway.   ( if its employee only, that should have been disabled )

My first thought was my badge had been turned off from lack of use ( not been there since i turned my laptop in. ), so told the boss "hey i'm in the surface lot, but i may be stuck., bla bla " "i will check on it"  ...  "no, its not your badge they are having issues with the parking lot systems".    On way out, i had to call for help to get out of the damned surface lot. "enter your credit card" over and over and over again.

Oh, and when i finally got parked and to where i was going to wait, I tried to get on teams to initally tell the boss about the lot, and message the person i was to meet downstairs. It locked my network account.  WTF.  

This stuff isn't hard, really its not.  Entire place is falling apart. 

It depends.

1 - IoT AI has been around for a long time, and its been making money, as well as saving it. ( tho the move to LLM for IoT, is a cost struggle.. tossing more at something than it needs )

2 - LLM AI, while its a struggle to make money if you are doing the training ( which all the big players are doing in the background while they push chat clients in your face ). But if you are simply using pre-built models, the cost is WAY lower, and you could make money, or at least save money, or be a 'value add' to your product. 

Thu May 28 2026 23:59:00 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

"Is AI Profitable Yet?"

At the rate we are going, it will wipe out the world economy.  They are borrowing so much the entire market system wont survive.

Some, like Scumbag Altman was trying to get the government to back private loans they were taking out.    I dont think that went thru, but went silent on it, so makes you wonder what they are hiding.

Thu May 28 2026 23:59:00 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Personally I'm looking forward to the inevitable bust. Then we'll see what happens once the industry is out of "the AI race" mode and actually needs to make the numbers work.

When you guys talk shop, it makes me so happy I quit that f'kin racket. 

Less lunches at Chevy's or Red Robin with a bunch of guys with bad haircuts in khakis getting fat on bottomless fries, for sure. Otherwise, it seems to be all upsides. 

Well my time in the industry is almost over.  Much like the state i am in: "this is not the xx i grew up", the IT industry: "this is not the computer industry i matured in" .  It used to be about helping people get things done "better", now its about total control and manipulation, and sucking every last dime out of them.

Sat May 30 2026 00:09:22 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

When you guys talk shop, it makes me so happy I quit that f'kin racket. 

Less lunches at Chevy's or Red Robin with a bunch of guys with bad haircuts in khakis getting fat on bottomless fries, for sure. Otherwise, it seems to be all upsides. 

"we need to do X before we even start this, its a foundational structure to the entire project"

"we will worry about it later"

"ok, it will come back and bite you in the butt, and make this even worse"

Cart is put before horse.. 

..time passes...

"why is this so convoluted, and why is the cart in the front, we need to fix it and move the cart beside the horse so its still 1/2 assed" ( still without doing X, planned for the future, still, so it has to all be redone again, the right way )"

idiots.