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[#] Wed May 30 2012 20:12:43 EDT from kc5tja @ Uncensored

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Long live the 3270! :)

[#] Thu May 31 2012 03:24:21 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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You have to question what the risks are if someone has access to all of your files. I realize that anything I write in a GMAIL could theoretically be read by any Google employee... They'd be seriously bored if they did though. I'm just not worried.

For a business, it's a different story - you might have trade secrets and such.

Privacy isn't something that really exists, unless you're under the covers with the curtains drawn.

What's more, it NEVER really existed. Any time you have a society, people want to know other people's secrets. 

The internet's made it easier to do on a mass scale. In some ways, that's better, because chances are, the people snooping on you will never meet you. 

Yes, I sound a bit tinfoil-hat here... 

The other side is - don't let your fear of intrusion control you. Control data that needs controlling, and accept that everything else *could* be seen by someone somewhere.

(btw, I use credit cards online and have never had one stolen, though I do choose PayPal whenever possible, because I think it's slightly more secure.)



[#] Thu May 31 2012 06:11:55 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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At my old job (small business) we used "Google for your domain" for email, but there were a few of us worried about private information.
We had our own server for everything else but we reached a point where we couldn't keep up once the spam started to hit.

[#] Thu May 31 2012 11:05:22 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Scott McNealy was widely panned for saying "You have zero privacy anyway; get over it" back in 1999, but it is unfortunately quite true, especially on the Internet.

[#] Thu May 31 2012 13:10:30 EDT from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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And don't be so sure that closing the curtains and hiding under the covers will give you privacy, either. Cameras with fiber-optic leads can slip underneath a door to see inside a room. Infra-red cameras and low-intensity x-rays can penetrate clothing and, therefore, bedsheets. Plus, I read an article recently about a new technology that uses x-rays to "see" through walls.
Spy Binder

[#] Thu May 31 2012 17:28:44 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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I had to summarize this video today. The last 3-4 minutes really make me want to disconnect myself from the internet, the telephone system... perhaps go live on a mountain...

Better user experience is spooky.

http://online-behavior.com/emetrics/marketing-optimization-analytics-maturity

but it's either accept it or disconnect from the world. I feel like so much of my social interaction occurs around what's happening on Facebook. There are a lot of get-togethers, information sharing, etc. When my dog got sick last week, a friend immediately volunteered to take me to the vet (my husband was out of the country, and I don't have a car and I was really scared that they'd have to put the dog down... but apparently Poof has nine lives...)

So I kind of embrace the idea that privacy is an illusion, leave my tinfoil hat in the drawer, and realize that yeah, it's possible that my calls are being monitored, Google can see my emails, and what protects my privacy is the fact that I'm a basically boring person so nobody's interested in me.



[#] Thu May 31 2012 17:30:45 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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Sure, they could spy on me, but why would they? And honestly, it's not a big secret that my husband and I have sex. We did get those kids somehow.


Thu May 31 2012 13:10:30 EDT from Spell Binder @ Uncensored
And don't be so sure that closing the curtains and hiding under the covers will give you privacy, either. Cameras with fiber-optic leads can slip underneath a door to see inside a room. Infra-red cameras and low-intensity x-rays can penetrate clothing and, therefore, bedsheets. Plus, I read an article recently about a new technology that uses x-rays to "see" through walls.
Spy Binder

 



[#] Sat Jun 02 2012 08:03:05 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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I like the attitude "I have nothing to hide so I don't care." We have fallen that far. If you are not doing anything wrong, you have
everything to fear.

[#] Sat Jun 02 2012 14:56:20 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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You have 3 choices:

You can hide from it all - live in a cave in the desert somewhere. 

You can fight it.  You can disconnect from Facebook and Google, and only use things on your own servers and never send anything by email that you wouldn't want posted on Facebook (because it *will be*) And you can have your phone lines checked for bugs, and you can keep at it all the time. (btw, in America, theoretically you shouldn't be bugged. Here, no such guarantees.) 

You can ignore it, and live with the fact that if you send a co-worker an email that you and your kids have the plague, somewhere it's getting flagged and read, even though you just mean that you're barfing. 

The question is which choice gives you the best life?

Personally, I know it's happening. I just don't see any way to fight it.

Google, the government, facebook, everyone's watching. Some for money, some for security theater...a tiny bit for actual security.

whatever. You can't fight 'em all. 

 



[#] Sun Jun 03 2012 21:59:08 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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There is a theory out there (with alarmingly complete documentation) which suggests that Facebook was deliberately built for the purpose of destroying privacy and encouraging people to *willingly* expose their private lives to the government.

Ah, here it is: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/facebook

[#] Mon Jun 04 2012 10:23:37 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Again the whole "If you are not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear" mentality. People no longer mind cameras on every
intersection, or being tracked where ever they go. The government is finally able to do what they want. Alex Jones might be a wacko,
but he might have something right.

[#] Tue Jun 05 2012 13:57:18 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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Coming soon to a business near you...

Argyle Social targets social data feeds, integrates with Salesforce.com

http://wraltechwire.com/business/tech_wire/news/blogpost/11172695/



[#] Tue Jun 05 2012 15:24:28 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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What do you propose to do about it? 

Mon Jun 04 2012 10:23:37 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored
Again the whole "If you are not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear" mentality. People no longer mind cameras on every
intersection, or being tracked where ever they go. The government is finally able to do what they want. Alex Jones might be a wacko,
but he might have something right.

 



[#] Fri Jun 08 2012 16:47:01 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Correcting the problem with large amounts of explosives may be a workable solution.

[#] Sat Jun 09 2012 09:18:36 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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Didn't I read something recently about Germany taking Google to court over their "street view" data mining over there?

Personally, I think it is fightable, Tril.  But first people have to know the truth about what's actually being collected and actually being done with that data.  Then they have to shake off the zombification factor.  Sadly, those are three pretty big ifs.  Then, of course, there's the fourth if....they have to actually care.



[#] Sat Jun 09 2012 17:44:18 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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sure, you can target Google and Facebook - the two biggest data-miners out there, but there are literally thousands of others. I don't see how you can fight them all. 



[#] Mon Jun 11 2012 13:20:37 EDT from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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It's been a while since I've checked their mission statement, but I would think organizations like the ACLU and the EFF would help with the fight.

[#] Mon Jun 11 2012 14:27:09 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Sat Jun 09 2012 09:18:36 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

Didn't I read something recently about Germany taking Google to court over their "street view" data mining over there?

Personally, I think it is fightable, Tril.  But first people have to know the truth about what's actually being collected and actually being done with that data.  Then they have to shake off the zombification factor.  Sadly, those are three pretty big ifs.  Then, of course, there's the fourth if....they have to actually care.

its swizzerland, not germany.

and, yes there can be real bad issues in streetview.

there was that guy, wearing shorts because of it was summertime; no t-shirt either.. He was in the trunk of his mercedes sedan, legs hanging out, doing something with the rear lights.

Now the streetview car passed, just saw the naked legs and the naked upper body.

Yes, his face was detected and blured.

But since you can easily see the house where this scene is, you can find out the name of the guy, locate him in the phonebook, and suddenly you've got a nice shitstorm of people calling all day long gruntling on his answering machine ey you funny guy, what are you doing naked in your car?

Next thing... You're in your garden, there is a fence or a wall around it. so you feel private and do naked sunbathing. Would you like the google periscope spotting you and put you naked with a blured face on SM? Again, you name is probably easily retieveable, somebody gets some pics from of your facebook pics to reconstruct your head, and some photoshop later your naked pic with reconstructed face is all around on the net. nice.

 

 



[#] Mon Jun 11 2012 16:10:19 EDT from kc5tja @ Uncensored

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The problem is that intervening with, e.g.
Google, is that you're impinging on a
legitimate right to collect that data. I
frequently use street view myself, and I'll
be damned if someone's "beliefs" on the
matter will have any bearing on whether or
not I can legitimately use the service.

Maturity is required. If I get harassed for
being naked in the trunk of my car, it's not
Google's fault. One canargue it's my fault,
but it's -definitely- also the fault of the
harassers. They're commiting a crime (libel,
iirc). Find and punish them accordingly.

Explosives aren't the answer. Logic and
common sense are.

[#] Mon Jun 11 2012 16:20:35 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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I agree with that - except where pictures are taken of private property (or rather of people on private property, such as in his second example.  Freedom works in two ways: Freedom to - and Freedom *from*.



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