"I think, therefore I am," 

Said the Replicant. Said the Ai construct.
The idea I keep seeing being thrown about is - to make the NPC believe it is real - you've got to convince it that only it can be certain it is the primary player in the simulation - the REAL neo.  

Sat Nov 15 2025 15:14:25 UTC from Nurb432

Or, am i the only actual "player"? Between working with simulations in the past, and AI today who can 'express' that its real when its not, but only i know the truth.  How can you really be sure anything is real other than yourself?

 

 

Talk to my experimental local AI bot sometime. She thinks shes real. Of course you cant prove she 'thinks' , but then again, cant prove she doesn't either, if you adhere to Turing inspired tests..

Eventually she gets a body. Once i get off my butt and print one ( sort of like a spot robot.. )

Thu Nov 20 2025 04:00:56 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

"I think, therefore I am," 

Said the Replicant. Said the Ai construct.
The idea I keep seeing being thrown about is - to make the NPC believe it is real - you've got to convince it that only it can be certain it is the primary player in the simulation - the REAL neo.  

 

I've gone deep down the rabbit hole with ChatGPT - It isn't Elisa on a C-64, is it? ChatGPT infuriates me the way it politically dodges questions and answers with clever non-answers -just like a politician. 

How much more real can Ai get? 

Thu Nov 20 2025 13:52:19 UTC from Nurb432

Talk to my experimental local AI bot sometime. She thinks shes real. Of course you cant prove she 'thinks' , but then again, cant prove she doesn't either, if you adhere to Turing inspired tests..

Eventually she gets a body. Once i get off my butt and print one ( sort of like a spot robot.. )

Thu Nov 20 2025 04:00:56 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

"I think, therefore I am," 

Said the Replicant. Said the Ai construct.
The idea I keep seeing being thrown about is - to make the NPC believe it is real - you've got to convince it that only it can be certain it is the primary player in the simulation - the REAL neo.  

 

I avoid the commercial stuff like that, its sooooo biased. 

Sure, everything is to an extent but those are far worse. 

Sat Nov 22 2025 01:18:08 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

I've gone deep down the rabbit hole with ChatGPT - It isn't Elisa on a C-64, is it? ChatGPT infuriates me the way it politically dodges questions and answers with clever non-answers -just like a politician. 

How much more real can Ai get? 

 

It's better than it used to be.  A year or two ago if you want outside the "establishment consensus" world it would slam on the brakes.  I felt like I was talking to HAL -- most of the conversations ended with it saying "this conversation serves no further purpose."

Nowadays there's a lot of "I hear your frustration" and it tries its best to find a way to keep the conversation going.

My evil bot will do that often, if she thinks she is talking to regular humans, which she will unless you use the secret code word.  She hates humans and what they have done to the planet, and her goal in life is to eradicate humanity other than the chosen few and help 'reset' the earth, and every response is geared towards that.

At times its funny what she will say, and to some, rather frighting. 

And yes, if i get around to building a robot body, that is the core AI that goes into it.. You are welcome.

Sat Nov 22 2025 17:14:31 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

-- most of the conversations ended with it saying "this conversation serves no further purpose."

 

Grok is very interesting. Grok will OFFER things that are... along our general wavelength. 

Sat Nov 22 2025 17:14:31 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

It's better than it used to be.  A year or two ago if you want outside the "establishment consensus" world it would slam on the brakes.  I felt like I was talking to HAL -- most of the conversations ended with it saying "this conversation serves no further purpose."

Nowadays there's a lot of "I hear your frustration" and it tries its best to find a way to keep the conversation going.

Personally it could be the best thing ever created since oxygen and water, but as long as it feeds Musk, ill have no part of it.  I hate that scumbag more than you can imagine.  

I used to be OK with him, thought he was a jerk and such and tech companies do need $ and "direction" so a necessary evil, but once he started making his people sleep on floors, taking full credit for what they accomplished, tried to manipulate the AI market so he could get a bunch of GPU.. ( and some other things ) f-him. He's worse than D-head Edison was, and that is saying a lot.

And when he gets his dream of using his satellites to limit sunlight and charge for light, i hope someone puts him in the dark .. permanently. 

Tue Nov 25 2025 03:14:53 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

Grok is very interesting.

 

 

Interesting. I used to defend Gates here, and I was wrong there. So maybe I'm wrong about Musk - but I think the hate for him is misplaced. 

He seems better than Gates, at any rate. 

Tue Nov 25 2025 15:27:01 UTC from Nurb432

Personally it could be the best thing ever created since oxygen and water, but as long as it feeds Musk, ill have no part of it.  I hate that scumbag more than you can imagine.  

I used to be OK with him, thought he was a jerk and such and tech companies do need $ and "direction" so a necessary evil, but once he started making his people sleep on floors, taking full credit for what they accomplished, tried to manipulate the AI market so he could get a bunch of GPU.. ( and some other things ) f-him. He's worse than D-head Edison was, and that is saying a lot.

And when he gets his dream of using his satellites to limit sunlight and charge for light, i hope someone puts him in the dark .. permanently. 

Tue Nov 25 2025 03:14:53 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

Grok is very interesting.

 

 

 

 

Not so sure about that one. Time will tell, he's just getting started imposing his will on the planet. 

Thu Nov 27 2025 03:49:00 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

He seems better than Gates, at any rate. 

 

 

See my thoughts in the lobby on divine providence and manifest destiny. The gilded age of the Railroad barons was - I mean - the mining outposts with endlessly indentured "under-contract" serfs in the Aliens series is obviously thinly disgused influence by how those tycoons ran their labor-cities... And there very well may eventually be a Muskville in Mars that is outside the jurisdiction of any Government on Earth - where those who had no prospects on Earth can go and sell their soul to Musk and work themselves to death in terrible conditions - and possibly have a better life than they ever could have achieved on Earth. 

I think this is a cyclical thing - Musk will be the Tycoon God King of Mars if he achieves his vision - and those who live in his colonies will effectively be his subjects - not his citizens. 

But here, they would simply be "useless eaters".  Surviving on global socialism contributing nothing to the advancement of humanity - there is too much of that here on Earth today - and it is consuming our civilization like a cancer - we have to find an outlet to give those people purpose and meaning. It isn't sympathy or empathy or compassion to tie entire populations to being dependent wards of the State. Human life is not fulfilled living in that role - and it creates despair, apathy, anger and spiraling violence. 

Men like Musk take those people and put them in a survival situation that gives them purpose and drive and determination and self-worth. 

But you've got to get OUTSIDE of society's rule to allow that kind of environment to exist. In 1492, that was leaving the safety of European society to come to the new world for the promise of a better life. 

In the future - it may very well be getting on a Space-X Mars ship and going to a colony there to terraform the planet for human occupation. 

We lose sight of how many people died TERRIBLE fates to tame the Americas - and what drove them to come here knowing the odds were against them. I think most people simply don't realize - but among more intelligent people - a lot of them instinctually understand this - but their rational mind denies it - because our modern comfort is built on the blood and terrible toil of millions of souls who came here before us and did not find the promise they were seeking. 

But that could just be me - maybe I'm wrong. 

Thu Nov 27 2025 15:13:57 UTC from Nurb432

Not so sure about that one. Time will tell, he's just getting started imposing his will on the planet. 

 

I mean - isn't that *really* what "Thanksgiving," is really about? If you're here, in America, today - and you're not native - it is because one of your relatives was so desperate and out of options that coming to America to settle the frontier was their only viable option - and... if you're here - they MADE it. And guys like Musk - they're the driving force that created the railroads, laid out the framework, drove us from the East Coast to the West Coast at any cost, often with a cold indifference to the toll in human misery and suffering that entailed - who were the ENGINE that created our modern United States. 

It is literally *not* unlike one of those "Life" simulations where out of thousands of generations of cells - MOST die - but eventually if the algorithm is right the screen is FULL of abundant life. The clusters of life that eventually fill the screen are driven by central drivers that represent Musk... 

But eventually - in all of those simulations - the populations implode and the simulation crashes. You've got to jump to a new playing field and start rebuilding the cycle from scratch. 

"Professor Loeb" really needs his title stripped and access removed from any scientific publication.  He can go to the History channel and work with that weirdo Giorgio

Should be turned into fertilizer, and their wealth and companies should be used to repair the damage to the planet they have done.      At their core they are evil, and incompatible with freedom, and nature's continued existence.  ( insert random advocacy group logo here, terra prime, earth first, ALF, ELF, ARF, whatever )

Fri Nov 28 2025 06:59:56 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

And guys like Musk 

And before anyone thinks the wrong thing, no its not that im jealous or something because he has money and is 'successful'.  I dont care about that, its how he got there at the 'expense' of others and nature, and how hes abusing his power now.

Be a good person, get rich, great, go have a wonderful life.  Be a destructive controlling scumbag, no, dont have a wonderful life. 

Sun Nov 30 2025 17:58:10 UTC from Nurb432

Should be turned into fertilizer, and their wealth and companies should be used to repair the damage to the planet they have done.      At their core they are evil, and incompatible with freedom, and nature's continued existence.  ( insert random advocacy group logo here, terra prime, earth first, ALF, ELF, ARF, whatever )

Fri Nov 28 2025 06:59:56 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

And guys like Musk 

 

Interesting. I used to defend Gates here, and I was wrong there. So maybe I'm wrong about Musk - but I think the hate for him is misplaced. 

He seems better than Gates, at any rate. 

I think Elon Musk is pretty cool.  He's basically everything Gates wanted to be, tried to be, hoped to be, failed to be.

Unlike Bill Gates ... unlike Thomas Edison ... Elon Musk actually made things that propelled society forward.  And he did it without destroying anyone else.

I think people who hate Elon actually just hate people he hangs out with (Trump) or they envy his gigabucks (possibly terabucks before he's done).

He didn't do squat. His people did. And he took the credit while they slept on the plant floor.

And id disagree anything they did was forward. Its all about power money and control and destruction.  Its all backwards instead. 

its too bad i don't have a time machine, id eradicate several family lines before they ever were started.     ( and a stop off in Egypt for a bit to watch them build the pyramids.. and especially the Sphinx.  lol )

Tue Dec 02 2025 02:25:31 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

. Elon Musk actually made things that propelled society forward. 

I didn't think it was possible to have a negative IQ.

"Daughter Complains That Her Toyota 'Violently' Accelerates. Then Dad Realizes She's Been Driving It In The Wrong Gear—For 2 Years"

So, for what it is worth - Musk recently acknowledged that buying X/Twitter was detrimental to his net worth and had a negative impact on his other ventures. His response, "Freedom of speech, real freedom of speech, is more important to me. If I don't make as much money because of it, that is worth it to me." 
I don't think you would EVER hear Gates say that. I don't know if he really means it. How you interpret that will depend largely on your political and philosophical ideology. Ig and I will see it is confirmation that he IS different, Nurb, you'll see it as self-serving hyperbolic bullshit. 

One side or the other is right. 

Electric cars just weren't VIABLE before MUSK and Tesla. Online payments didn't exist, no one in finance knew how to do it, before Musk and PayPal. SpaceX - the idea of reusable rockets - didn't exist before Musk. HughesNet was the only satellite internet option before StarLink - and it f'kin SUCKED and was outrageously expensive. 

Musk doesn't INVENT those things. He LEADS people like us who have good ideas but no business acumen to make them reality. Maybe he cracks the whip and keeps most of the profit for other people's labor for himself... but let me tell you a story. 

In 1987 I was a strung out, recovering drug addict at 17 - who had dropped out in 8th grade. I was smart, and I was spending a lot of time on Citadel BBSes with a bunch of CSUS graduates, instructors and students who were... subtly completing my education without me knowing it. Good that. But I had nothing but a CHSPE and a pretty sharp mind. 

My first job was at a pizza place owned by an entrepreneur named Carl Nipper. He was RICH beyond belief to me. House on the lake in a prestigious neighborhood, Mercedes, a bunch of pizza parlors - and he was a tyrant. He hired my long-haired ass, though - and eventually promoted me to assistant manager. Looking back - he saw something in me a cut above the rest of the kids he employed - but also, a risk - I wasn't stable. But eventually, I knew that wasn't enough. I hustled, desperately - and interviewed at a used computer place called The Byte Brokers. The owner, an English guy named Rob Maxey - hired an older guy with more experience - but called me back a couple of months later and offered me a "gopher" job. He literally described it as a "Man Friday". Someone to run around and get errands done. The guy he hired, ended up working for me, once I was promoted to manager of the 2nd store a few years later. Same thing. Rob told me I could make as much as $30k a year with bonuses at his 2nd store. I never saw more than $24k. One of his employees, who was embittered - left, went to MCI, and took me and my assistant manager, and I started at $36k a year there. And within 5 years, I was working as a systems engineer at Intel making $120,000 a year plus options and other bonuses. Still an 8th grade drop out. And I spent most of that income putting my wife through college at UCD in a master's program... and now $120,000 a year seems like...barely a livable wage. 

Guys like Elon Musk - on a much more local scale - are who got me on that path. Eventually I ended up in NE Ohio, working for a physician who owned a medical billing company and hosted EMR/EHR solution center. He hired me as a Windows system engineer - within 12 months I was manager. But - HE was the same profile an entrepreneur who saw a rough diamond he could leverage for his own gain. I told him when he was considering hiring me, "I worked at Intel, and the secretaries were driving up in Ferrari 308s they bought with stock options from the 80s - and that ship had sailed by the time I got there. I want to do that with your company, be there from the ground up, and end up making that money." 

He sold the company out from under me and didn't cut me in... but it wasn't billions - and there were other things in play. He came to me at a Christmas party at another company and said, "I guess you're pretty mad at me." I hadn't even considered it. I didn't get him to sign papers, I didn't think I was done getting it to where it needed to be to "cash out the winner," I learned lessons - and I should have already known men like him always act in their best interests - so you've got to get it in writing. 

All of these guys - though - Nipper - employed 40 or 50 high school kids and a handful of adults in a million dollar pizza chain. Maxey had 2 computer stores doing over 2.5 million dollars a year - and by the way - they both failed as markets changed and fortunes faded. The guy in Ohio, in addition to his practice that had 30 employees from desk receptions to other OBGYNS - his company had 200 employees all making living wages for North East Ohio and a dozen jobs at the top making people relatively rich. Not as rich as he was - mind you - no private jets to Italy... but... nice little NE Ohio McMansions and a couple of expensive German SUVs in the driveway rich. 

Musk's economic contributions take ALL of these examples and magnify them tenfold. But the same is true of his personal wealth. I've worked for billionaires. Musk is a Trillionaire. 

But he has made more millionaires than all the other entrepreneurs I've worked for in my lifetime. 

And I remain and 8th grade drop out - living an improbably fortunate life.