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[#] Mon Mar 31 2014 10:48:22 EDT from zooer

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religion is just another form of government control

[#] Mon Mar 31 2014 11:32:27 EDT from Ladyhawke

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Evil sounds like a pretty good description, TriL.

Back when there it wasn't as easy to move around, community rabbis had a decent ability to leverage "community sanctions" on people like this to "encourage" them to do the right thing.  But it's so easy to move around now - and there are so many different sects of the religion - that all someone has to do to avoid sanctions is move or even just change rabbinical leadership.  Btw, this is related to those crazy stories that have been in the news recently about those rabbis that head hired hoodlums to beat up several men who'd been refusing to grant gets.  Not saying I necessarily agree with the approach, but it's an indication of how desperate the situation can get. 

[#] Mon Mar 31 2014 14:21:25 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Beating someone up sounds more like a put than a get.

[#] Mon Mar 31 2014 14:30:24 EDT from fleeb

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Even a web page is polite enough to issue a 404 for a failed get.

[#] Mon Mar 31 2014 15:15:45 EDT from vince-q <>

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I guess that lends a whole new level of meaning to "get while the getting's good"....

[#] Mon Mar 31 2014 15:46:52 EDT from triLcat

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You have a problem when laws made 2000+ years ago to protect children go unchanged despite very big changes in society.
At that time, a man couldn't disappear, because how far could you get on a donkey?
If a man in town refused to give his wife a get, then the other men in town had a talk with him.

If he continued to refuse, the next talk was a little less talking and a little more convincing... done deal. 

[#] Mon Mar 31 2014 18:42:14 EDT from LoanShark

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Mar 27 2014 5:53pm from Ladyhawke @uncnsrd
The problem of Aguna is a whole separate issue.

was merely drawing an analogy to this stupid law that would "chain" people in the same way.

crazy shit in the news lately. yes, some of these guys probably do deserve the rabbi-hired-beatdown approach (not that I generally condone violence.)

[#] Wed Apr 02 2014 14:16:27 EDT from Ladyhawke

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Not a bad one....

[#] Thu Apr 10 2014 11:34:47 EDT from Shazam

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I thought that a get that was forced out of the husband isn't valid?
triL, I didn't know that about your husband's family. That really is horrible. What could he possibly have had to say for himself when he came back?

[#] Thu Apr 10 2014 13:15:25 EDT from Ladyhawke

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Shazam, True.  Seems that line between "convincing" and "forcing" can get a bit blurry in modern society. 

In the old days, as TriL noted, it wasn't as hard to "convince" without holding a man down and forcing him because mobility was so limited and people's standard of living was so dependent upon being an accepted part of the community.

[#] Thu Apr 10 2014 17:24:45 EDT from triLcat

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He had some story about how he was working for the in-laws (my m-i-l's parents) and they were involved in something illegal, and as the lawyer, he was worried about being arrested. 

Which would maybe sound sort of valid except that he never sent his 3 kids a birthday card all those years.

Not once. 

Cannot imagine an excuse for that. He was in California - he could've bought a card and had someone post it from Los Vegas or something - would've been untrackable

[#] Thu Apr 10 2014 18:20:57 EDT from Ladyhawke

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So sour, TriL.  Awful

[#] Thu Apr 10 2014 18:34:26 EDT from triLcat

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yup. So now, Yaakov sees him if he's sent to Los Angeles (which has happened a couple times)
He was here for 3 days four years ago, and we got together a couple times.
Other than that, he sends money for the kids' birthdays, and we send him thank-you emails, sometimes with pictures.

Yaakov feels like he doesn't want to be a jerk and cut him off, so he doesn't.
On the other hand, he's not going to make any effort for a relationship at this point. 
He has a mother who drove him crazy but does love him as much as she is capable of, a wife who loves him, kids who love him, and in-laws who treat him like family.

He's secure enough to be able to maintain a casual and polite relationship with the jerk who ditched him, his mom, and his sisters.

[#] Thu Apr 10 2014 18:34:57 EDT from triLcat

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*Las Vegas. 
sorry about that. 

[#] Fri Apr 11 2014 07:27:25 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Proof that it isn't about any specific issue.

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DropBox has added a black woman to their board of directors -- leftists lose their minds.

The black woman in question happens to be Condolezza Rice, who we know doesn't stay locked inside a "binder full of women" like the commie leftoids would prefer her to.

This proves that the Brendan Eich debacle wasn't specifically about gay marriage.
It demonstrates the emergence of a liberal mafia who is now out to sabotage the careers of successful and prominent conservatives.

They lose on ideology so they have to resort to these tactics.

[#] Fri Apr 11 2014 09:48:12 EDT from triLcat

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[#] Fri Apr 11 2014 13:02:32 EDT from vince-q <>

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"liberal mafia"
As a Conservative Italian, I like that.

--Don Vincenzo

[#] Mon Apr 14 2014 12:57:01 EDT from LoanShark

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It demonstrates the emergence of a liberal mafia who is now out to
sabotage the careers of successful and prominent conservatives.

since firefox is so dependent on the goodwill of the open-source community for their livelihood - both in terms of code contributions and cash contributions, it stands to reason that their hiring and human resources ethic should reflect the prevailing sensibilities of the open source faithful, which tends to fall somewhere on a spectrum between libertarian and social-liberal. that means tolerance for homosexuals. there might be legitimate concerns about the kind of work environment that Eich was creating.

[#] Mon Apr 14 2014 20:17:46 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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There's that liberal weasel-word again: "tolerance"

It isn't as if Eich was running around shouting "Mozilla hates fags dot com!!!1"

He privately made a donation to a political cause a number of years ago.
By all accounts, he did not let his personal feelings have any effect on how he treated people inside the organization. It wasn't an issue until some liberal demagogue dug it up and turned it into a public circus, which resulted in a public stake-burning at the hands of the liberal mafia.

Now who exactly is "intolerant" here?

By the way, Firefox is only slightly dependent on the goodwill of the open source community. The vast majority of their funding still comes from one source: Google.

[#] Mon Apr 14 2014 21:57:04 EDT from zooer

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Intolerance will not be tolerated.

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