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So i also just heard that aside from more states looking into removing Trump from their primary ballots as well, several are removing all Democrat options other than Biden. Its amazing how far we have sunk. Why even bother with an election at this rate? Just cancel it, and we can get this 2nd civil war started and over with.
I would prefer to avoid a civil war if possible, let's not forget that other countries could intervene, and they would not be on our side. Not to mention people would be dying.
There is a lot of division but we should try to keep it from descending into the 'Second American Civil War' if at all possible.
Fri Dec 22 2023 17:28:45 EST from Nurb432Why even bother with an election at this rate? Just cancel it, and we can get this 2nd civil war started and over with.
Not that i *want* it but I'm afraid its the only way out now. Civil war, split divide the union and start over with a subset, or even go UK route with states being independent. The 2 main 'sides' are so diametrically opposed and divided now, i dont see any other way than to kick the others out. ( and vice-versa ). And just like last time, "they" wont do that willingly. Tho my personal feeling is last time the wrong side won and got to re-force their oppression on people that only wanted out, they didnt want anything other than freedom , i dont think that will happen this time and the split will 'stick' ( i spent time down in the south as a child, history has not been honest and perverted what really happened to cause the rift and eventual action. its NOT what is taught in history books )
and yes other countries may take advantage, but right now with nearly everyone at war, resources are stretched thin. I would bet more along the lines of lone wolf terrorists than state controlled actions.. Plus it might help bring people together ( at least one side, the other wishes for destruction and chaos )
Fri Dec 22 2023 21:28:47 EST from msgrhysI would prefer to avoid a civil war if possible, let's not forget that other countries could intervene, and they would not be on our side. Not to mention people would be dying.
There is a lot of division but we should try to keep it from descending into the 'Second American Civil War' if at all possible.
2023-12-22 17:28 from Nurb432
So i also just heard that aside from more states looking into
removing Trump from their primary ballots as well, several are
removing all Democrat options other than Biden. Its amazing how far
we have sunk. Why even bother with an election at this rate? Just
cancel it, and we can get this 2nd civil war started and over with.
You bother with elections because that way you can claim to be a democratic country and join international trade deals with people who only want to deal with democratic countries. Their representatives will know your democracy is completelly Bull, but they will be able to sell it to their own citizens and that will make everybody happy.
I am thinking of certain country in which presidents win the elections with 70% or 80% of the votes and everybody thinks that is perfectly normal.
2023-12-22 21:28 from msgrhys
I would prefer to avoid a civil war if possible, let's not forget
that other countries could intervene, and they would not be on our
side. Not to mention people would be dying.
There is a lot of division but we should try to keep it from
descending into the 'Second American Civil War' if at all possible.
"Certain country I could think of" was there. Frankly, if a regime turns opressive it can't be removed by tools provided by the system. Once the separation of executive and justice is broken, then equalty of citizen's rights is vanquished; once that happens, you will be opressed very badly unless you openly side with the ruling party. Often, you will end up opressed even if you side with them too.
The point is once the system is openly corrupt you need a strategy to fight, flee or bug in, because it will only be fixable with a war.
and yes other countries may take advantage, but right now with nearly
everyone at war, resources are stretched thin. I would bet more along
the lines of lone wolf terrorists than state controlled actions..
Plus it might help bring people together ( at least one side, the
other wishes for destruction and chaos )
A civil war in the US would be devastating to The North 2.0, because The North 2.0 would need to fight The South 2.0 plus Russia plus China (when they invaded Taiway three minutes after civil war was declared).
European powers would have to step in, but other than UK, I can't picture many European countries sending anything other than symbolic aid anywhere. The NATO is built around the assumption that the US fights and the rest pay the bills for the privilege of having somebody else's soldiers die instead of their people.
I have never claimed that, since we never were.. Our founders rightfully knew 'true' democracy is bad, so they made us a "Representative Republic"
Not to go all 'words mean things" but there is a huge difference. One is mob rule and total chaos, the other is controlled chaos..
Sun Dec 24 2023 09:47:39 EST from darknetuserYou bother with elections because that way you can claim to be a democratic country
totally agree
Sun Dec 24 2023 09:53:32 EST from darknetuser"Certain country I could think of" was there. Frankly, if a regime turns opressive it can't be removed by tools provided by the system.
I've done the math and with an execution rate of 1 per minute, a
single guillotine in DC could solve all our problems in a single
afternoon.
Remember, you have to do it the way it was done the first time.
You don't just take out the Unipartyists. You have to destroy their entire families, from the elder statesmen all the way down to the smallest of children.
There cannot be any "heir apparent" in any of their lines.
So for example with the Obamas, not just Barry, but also Mike, Sharia, and Malaria. Now you've significantly increased the time it takes to get the job done.
But fear not! You can set up three or four guillotines and take advantage of parallel processing!
So i also just heard that aside from more states looking into
removing Trump from their primary ballots as well, several are
removing all Democrat options other than Biden. Its amazing how far
I am beginning to suspect that the Uniparty's strategy for 2024 is not to steal the general at the ballot box like they did in 2020, but instead to take out President Trump -- via legal action if possible, but via assassination if they have to -- and then allow Nikki Haley to take the seat.
To the Uniparty, a fifth term of Bush is just as good as a fourth term of Obama.
The point is once the system is openly corrupt you need a strategy to
fight, flee or bug in, because it will only be fixable with a war.
I think that's the core of it. In the USA we have a system that is extremely corrupt but ostensibly clean ... which is arguably worse than a system which is openly corrupt.
Then why not go full SMP and set up a 16-core guillotine system?
Wed Dec 27 2023 11:36:35 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
Remember, you have to do it the way it was done the first time.
You don't just take out the Unipartyists. You have to destroy their entire families, from the elder statesmen all the way down to the smallest of children.
There cannot be any "heir apparent" in any of their lines.
So for example with the Obamas, not just Barry, but also Mike, Sharia, and Malaria. Now you've significantly increased the time it takes to get the job done.
But fear not! You can set up three or four guillotines and take advantage of parallel processing!
ya that is why i had a higher number for my estimate too. Its not just the 'obvious' members. One will just fill in, and might even be worse.
Wed Dec 27 2023 11:36:35 EST from IGnatius T FoobarNow you've significantly increased the time it takes to get the job done.
As i have been saying since day one :) He will NOT be on the ballot. One way or another.
Yes, creating a martyr is dangerous and has caused revolts in the past, and its the absolute last resort, but the option is there and they will risk it, if they have to. ( they are sort of doing it now, by attempted character and financial assassination )
But at the same time, i sort of wonder if the impending engineered collapse is their back up plan if they do have to take that action. Hard to successfully revolt if we are outnumbered by influx of terrorists and programmed citizens, while the basic structure of civilization has collapsed. its hard to organize in the middle of complete chaos. A civil war on that level would be hard to imagine. At least last time, it was mostly 'states' now its 'everyone everywhere'... i still think that is coming too, in some form. But i hope im wrong.
Wed Dec 27 2023 11:38:58 EST from IGnatius T Foobartake out President Trump -- via legal action if possible, but via assassination if they have to
Then why not go full SMP and set up a 16-core guillotine system?
Go with 128 core, and call it "HeadRipper"
(DAMN I'm clever.)
Wed Dec 27 2023 11:36:35 EST from IGnatius T FoobarYou don't just take out the Unipartyists. You have to destroy their entire families
You're being hyperbolic, right?
First there was George H W Bush. Then George W Bush. They tried Jeb Bush, but he got Trumped. Both the Reps and the Dems like to keep their royalty. So no, not being hypobolic or hyperbolic.
Wed Dec 27 2023 16:29:34 EST from msgrhys
Wed Dec 27 2023 11:36:35 EST from IGnatius T FoobarYou don't just take out the Unipartyists. You have to destroy their entire familiesYou're being hyperbolic, right?