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[#] Wed Jun 02 2021 13:53:02 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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This is interesting.

[ https://matrix.org/ ]

"An open network for secure, decentralized communication"

They started with a protocol spec and *then* built a reference implementation.
And they've already built gateways for a lot of existing things, such as IRC. Very very interesting. We may have to tie Citadel into this.

[#] Wed Jun 02 2021 14:30:37 EDT from Nurb432

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I looked at that when it first started, something i didnt like about it.  I cant remember now.  Something concerned me about the protocol or something.   



[#] Tue Jun 29 2021 15:00:25 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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[#] Tue Jun 29 2021 16:21:37 EDT from Nurb432

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lol

figured it would have got the 'against community standards' instead. 



[#] Sun Jul 04 2021 16:38:32 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Over the years I've considered a project that I never got around to implementing.  I'd be interested in hearing what this crowd thinks of it, whether it's a good idea or a bad idea, and/or whether you know of anyone else already doing this.

The idea is to build a meta-wiki that is a front end to all the wikipedia competitors, and to wikipedia itself.   In a way it would act as a search engine, but it would have the user interface of a wiki.  The user would configure it with a list of sites they want to use, and the order in which they should be prioritized.  An example user story -- let's say I'm a patriot and my normal research workflow is to check for a topic on Conservapedia, then RationalWiki, then Wikipedia as a last resort.  I'd configure the site to prioritize them in that order, and then when I go to the main page and put in a topic, it would search them in that order.

Naturally, whichever site has the page earliest in the search order will be the one displayed, but at the top it would say "This page is also available on..." with a drop-down of the remaining ones.

They could be configured in whatever order you want, of course; so another user story might be someone who prefers humor over serious research.  That user might prioritize Encyclopedia Dramatica over the other sites.

The working name I thought of was going to be "Metapedia", but it turns out that name is already used by a site that Wikipedia describes as "fascist, far-right, white nationalist, white supremacist, anti-feminist, homophobic, Islamophobic, antisemitic, Holocaust-denying, and neo-Nazi" -- which is what they call anyone who does not bow to the cancel mob.  So we'd have to come up with another name, something that implies that it is a "wiki of wikis".

And of course the landing page would have a section "Who runs this?" which would say "...the same people who brought you UNCENSORED!, the free speech forums that have fought against censorship since 1988."

In the words of MST3K ... "What do you think, sirs?"



[#] Sun Jul 04 2021 17:08:08 EDT from Nurb432

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Meta collection services are good.

 



[#] Mon Jul 05 2021 09:56:06 EDT from darknetuser

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2021-07-04 16:38 from IGnatius T Foobar
Subject: "meta" wiki
Over the years I've considered a project that I never got around to
implementing.  I'd be interested in hearing what this crowd thinks
of it, whether it's a good idea or a bad idea, and/or whether you
know of anyone else already doing this.

The idea is to build a meta-wiki that is a front end to all the
wikipedia competitors, and to wikipedia itself.   In a way it would

act as a search engine, but it would have the user interface of a
wiki.  The user would configure it with a list of sites they want to

use, and the order in which they should be prioritized.  An example

user story -- let's say I'm a patriot and my normal research workflow

is to check for a topic on Conservapedia, then RationalWiki, then
Wikipedia as a last resort.  I'd
configure the site to prioritize
them in that order, and then when I go to the main page and put in a

topic, it would search them in that order.

Naturally, whichever site has the page earliest in the search order
will be the one displayed, but at the top it would say "This page is

also available on..." with a drop-down of the remaining ones.

They could be configured in whatever order you want, of course; so
another user story might be someone who prefers humor over serious
research.  That user might prioritize Encyclopedia Dramatica over
the other sites.

The working name I thought of was going to be "Metapedia", but it
turns out that name is already used by a site that Wikipedia
describes as "fascist, far-right, white nationalist, white
supremacist, anti-feminist, homophobic, Islamophobic,
antisemitic,
Holocaust-denying, and neo-Nazi" -- which is what they call anyone
who does not bow to the cancel mob.  So we'd have to come up with
another name, something that implies that it is a "wiki of wikis".

And of course the landing page would have a section "Who runs this?"

which would say "...the same people who brought you UNCENSORED!, the

free speech forums that have fought against censorship since 1988."


In the words of MST3K ... "What do you think, sirs?"


It sounds interesting. I think mediawiki has an api that makes queries easy for such metaengine, but I don't know about other wiki engines.

The problem, as always, woudl be to rank the search results. If I search for JFK Conspiracy Theory, how does the engine know which articles to show further up in the list of results?

[#] Mon Jul 05 2021 12:40:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I have no interest in writing a search engine or figuring out how to rank results. Any page load would be prioritized in the order of the sites that the user has chosen. For example, if the user wants to see pages from Correct-o-pedia first, then probably-true-o-pedia second, and Wikipedia last, then if a page exists on Correct-o-pedia it will *always* be the one that loads, and so on, with a drop-down on the top of the screen to see the same page on the other sites.

Links would be modified to go back to the meta site, of course.

And yes, MediaWiki does have an API, but the last time I checked, it was disabled on Wikipedia itself. If that's no longer the case then it might be worth looking at, although that would restrict us to sites that have the API enabled, and definitely only to sites that are using MediaWiki.

One would think that the Wikipedophiles would pursue legal action against this, but as far as I can tell, it's completely allowed.

[#] Mon Jul 05 2021 12:47:07 EDT from Nurb432

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Lots of stupid frivolous lawsuits out there that they cant win in court.

They just gamble they can holdout longer than you, and have more cash to burn.  They have attorneys on staff they are paying regardless if they work or not, might as well give them something to do. ( is their thinking anyway ). most of the time the people in the 'right' eventually run out of money, give up and go away. Or pay a fee to make them stop.

Sickening, but its the reality of how they abuse the system.

Mon Jul 05 2021 12:40:30 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: "meta" wiki

One would think that the Wikipedophiles would pursue legal action against this, but as far as I can tell, it's completely allowed.

 



[#] Wed Jul 07 2021 11:44:50 EDT from darknetuser

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2021-07-05 12:40 from IGnatius T Foobar
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I have no interest in writing a search engine or figuring out how to
rank results. Any page load would be prioritized in the order of the

sites that the user has chosen. For example, if the user wants to see

pages from Correct-o-pedia first, then probably-true-o-pedia second,
and Wikipedia last, then if a page exists on Correct-o-pedia it will
*always* be the one that loads, and so on, with a drop-down on the top

of the screen to see the same page on the other sites.

Links would be modified to go back to the meta site, of course.

And yes, MediaWiki does have an API, but the last time I checked, it

was disabled on Wikipedia itself. If that's no longer the case then it

might be worth looking at, although that would restrict us to sites
that have
the API enabled, and definitely only to sites that are using
MediaWiki.

One would think that the Wikipedophiles would pursue legal action
against this, but as far as I can tell, it's completely allowed.



I think the Gopherpedia uses the Wikipedia api, and so far, it works fine. I haven't used it in a while, so maybe things have changed.

[#] Wed Jul 07 2021 13:33:37 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Wikiwiki. 

You'll have a built in theme song. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyBzYMZK17o

 



[#] Fri Jul 09 2021 15:29:59 EDT from LoanShark

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How All My Politically Correct Bones Were Broken

"I began encountering students who felt that receipt of a poor grade was simply evidence of my racism."

https://quillette.com/2021/07/07/how-all-my-politically-correct-bones-were-broken/

[#] Fri Jul 09 2021 20:16:02 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I swear I responded to this earlier. 

Fri Jul 09 2021 15:29:59 EDT from LoanShark

How All My Politically Correct Bones Were Broken

"I began encountering students who felt that receipt of a poor grade was simply evidence of my racism."

https://quillette.com/2021/07/07/how-all-my-politically-correct-bones-were-broken/

 



[#] Mon Jul 12 2021 11:34:46 EDT from LoanShark

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As I recall, something similar came up, yes.

[#] Sun Jul 18 2021 06:46:41 EDT from darknetuser

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2021-07-09 15:29 from LoanShark

How All My Politically Correct Bones Were Broken

"I began encountering students who felt that receipt of a poor grade

was simply evidence of my racism."


https://quillette.com/2021/07/07/how-all-my-politically-correct-bones-w

ere-broken/



This phenomena has been at work for long well before identitary politics was thing. Lots of parents would fill complaints if their kids didn't score good grades at school and try to blame the teacher with non-sense.

This is just a continuation of it.

The worst part is that it hurts legit students. When a given education center is known to give grades away for reasons other than the student's competence, employers will know any job application hailing from these places is to be thrown in the trash can.

I consider myself a victim of this problem.

[#] Fri Jul 23 2021 10:49:40 EDT from Nurb432

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And, if you read between the lines, if you own a 3D printer or CNC mill, or similar, you may have to register it too. Because you 'could' make bad things with it.  Wonder when you have to show ID to buy pipe from the local hardware store.

 

Stalin and Hitler would be proud. 



[#] Fri Jul 23 2021 13:56:04 EDT from test2

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your brain and fingers might make a bad thing, you need a restriction for that.  files have been illegal for a long time, the new encroachment are machine tools, next will be the hands that want to hold the tools.

 

they're afraid of your thoughts and want you to ultimately die.



[#] Fri Jul 23 2021 17:18:06 EDT from Nurb432

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the files were declared to be free speech.  They were not illegal.  But them getting classified export rules, means they can change rules and violate the Constitution at will.  



[#] Sat Jul 24 2021 03:24:47 EDT from test2

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Oh, sorry, I was attempting to make the observation that categories of "files" have already been made illegal.  the implication being that it would be a matter of time for firearm related files.  but that doesn't really matter since they're really after your disobedient mind.  they have other ways to make you heel and die.  you know, go get a jab.



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