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[#] Tue Mar 16 2021 09:53:17 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Please renew config.guess/config.sub in libcitadel-easyinstall.tar.gz

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As I can see, you have renewed config.guess and config.sub in the first two mentioned archives, but not in the last.

Would you please do it?

Thanks for noting that, it has been fixed in the tree and will be published soon.



[#] Tue Mar 16 2021 09:56:58 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: "Fediverse"

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Thing is...  Citadel is *way* more polished than even the best of these.  (Most of which are written in horribly resource-hungry languages like PHP or GO and only have a small set of the features.) 

But Citadel has no "Federation" features (at least, not that I've ever noticed.)  If I want to talk to someone on a different server I can maybe send them an email.  For pretty much anything else I have to go and create an account on their server.

Yes, you're correct and it is very much in the plans.

At the moment we are focused on an effort to make Citadel easier to install using binary packages (AppImages).  Once that effort is complete (soon!) we are getting back to work on a new version of WebCit, one a little more modernized.  The features slated for that will likely include all of the "fediverse" protocols, as we very much do want Citadel to participate in that world.

Look around some of the other rooms here on Uncensored to learn more.  We are a very technolibertarian community and we want to be a big player in this kind of thing.



[#] Tue Mar 16 2021 11:20:44 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

Subject: Re: "Fediverse"

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And don't get me wrong - I've been an advocate for this, and still am. 

But I see things happening in other communities I'm involved with - that like Citadel - have had a higher barrier to entry and - let's face it, are kind of "retro" driven - which Citadel kind of fits that description, too. 

Those things cause me some concern. You can dilute the quality of the community and attract the very non-technolibertarian elements that you're trying to be an alternative into your community, morphing it into something entirely unwanted. 

Tue Mar 16 2021 09:56:58 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: "Fediverse"

Thing is...  Citadel is *way* more polished than even the best of these.  (Most of which are written in horribly resource-hungry languages like PHP or GO and only have a small set of the features.) 

But Citadel has no "Federation" features (at least, not that I've ever noticed.)  If I want to talk to someone on a different server I can maybe send them an email.  For pretty much anything else I have to go and create an account on their server.

Yes, you're correct and it is very much in the plans.

At the moment we are focused on an effort to make Citadel easier to install using binary packages (AppImages).  Once that effort is complete (soon!) we are getting back to work on a new version of WebCit, one a little more modernized.  The features slated for that will likely include all of the "fediverse" protocols, as we very much do want Citadel to participate in that world.

Look around some of the other rooms here on Uncensored to learn more.  We are a very technolibertarian community and we want to be a big player in this kind of thing.



 



[#] Tue Mar 16 2021 13:46:39 EDT from tlhonmey

Subject: Re: "Fediverse"

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Groovy.

Do you have a bugtracker somewhere?  I see lots of documentation about how to extract debug reports of various types, but nothing about where to send them and your link to the source code repository is currently returning a 404.

I'm not a particularly speedy programmer, but I'm reasonably good at QA and have the hardware to test the Appimages on whichever OSs you've decided to care about. 

Can't make any promises about how much time I'll be able to devote to it since there's a baby due soon, but I'll chip in whatever I can.

Tue Mar 16 2021 11:20:44 EDT from ParanoidDelusions Subject: Re: "Fediverse"

And don't get me wrong - I've been an advocate for this, and still am. 

But I see things happening in other communities I'm involved with - that like Citadel - have had a higher barrier to entry and - let's face it, are kind of "retro" driven - which Citadel kind of fits that description, too. 

Those things cause me some concern. You can dilute the quality of the community and attract the very non-technolibertarian elements that you're trying to be an alternative into your community, morphing it into something entirely unwanted. 

Tue Mar 16 2021 09:56:58 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: "Fediverse"

Thing is...  Citadel is *way* more polished than even the best of these.  (Most of which are written in horribly resource-hungry languages like PHP or GO and only have a small set of the features.) 

But Citadel has no "Federation" features (at least, not that I've ever noticed.)  If I want to talk to someone on a different server I can maybe send them an email.  For pretty much anything else I have to go and create an account on their server.

Yes, you're correct and it is very much in the plans.

At the moment we are focused on an effort to make Citadel easier to install using binary packages (AppImages).  Once that effort is complete (soon!) we are getting back to work on a new version of WebCit, one a little more modernized.  The features slated for that will likely include all of the "fediverse" protocols, as we very much do want Citadel to participate in that world.

Look around some of the other rooms here on Uncensored to learn more.  We are a very technolibertarian community and we want to be a big player in this kind of thing.



 



 



[#] Tue Mar 16 2021 16:00:50 EDT from rbaral233

Subject: Email Server Down... citadel.service fails to start... raspberry pi 4

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hey i am having an issue with my email server. It has been up and functioning perfectly for the past probably 6+ months since ive set it up... only 1 user, and everything is setup and running fine before this but i noticed after i was unable to reach the web interface the other day that the server isn't  running. The raspberry pi that its installed on is up and running perfectly, updated through apt-get update/upgrade as of the other day... and is on the network and nothing on any infrastructure end has changed.

BUT randomly like i said i noticed the email server went down and now is not functioning on the raspberry pi, and any attempt to reboot, or cmd prompt "restart or start citadel.service" fails and gives me exit code 105... i get no other info or anything given as to why or what happened or what is failing, but if someone could 1 point me in the right direction as to find the logs and if i can track down when/ why it failed in the first place... as well as if anyone has any experience or knows why or how to repair it or repair the server files as a whole if that may be the issue.....

 

 

Thanks,

Rob



[#] Fri Mar 19 2021 14:45:51 EDT from bernini

Subject: Re: Raspbian Pi Attachment Issues

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Hi!

have the same issues on a Pi 2B/Raspbian(Linux raspberrypi 5.10.17-v7+ #1403 SMP Mon Feb 22 11:29:51 GMT 2021 armv7l), Citadel installed by easy-install, with not being able to see attachments in the Webinterface, also the language selection is broken. (See attachment)

On clients everything is fine, actually everything else is working like a charm, its just this little strange webcit-behaviour.

 

I already have tried to play with the locale and changed the /files permissions and owner, no success so far.

I have read all the threads about this/similar issues and was using search engines for hours, maybe there is a chance that I just missed something?

Should I provide further details? Any suggestions about what to log?

 

Cheers!



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[#] Sat Mar 20 2021 14:05:06 EDT from bernini

Subject: Re: Raspbian Pi Attachment Issues

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For some unknown reason, the language selection is suddenly working, but attachments are still broken.



[#] Sat Mar 20 2021 16:29:09 EDT from ParrotHeadPhan

Subject: Citadel mailbox storage

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I’m setting up citadel on a raspberry pi.  I’m new to the Linux world and very new to RPi.  What I’m wondering is, since the RPi boots and runs off an sd card and I assume a mailbox database would be far too big for the sd card, how do i configure citadel to store the mailbox database to either and nfs or samba share?

thanks y’all  



[#] Tue Mar 23 2021 15:11:49 EDT from blakeb130

Subject: Citadel Mailing Lists

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I'm looking to make a few mailing lists for ~200 people across different email providers to be able to send mail to the entire list. Ideally, only admins and a select few others would actually access the citadel interface. Is this a viable use case for citadel, or am I misunderstanding everything?



[#] Tue Mar 23 2021 18:31:03 EDT from blakeb130

Subject: Re: Citadel mailbox storage

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Sat Mar 20 2021 16:29:09 EDT from ParrotHeadPhan Subject: Citadel mailbox storage

I’m setting up citadel on a raspberry pi.  I’m new to the Linux world and very new to RPi.  What I’m wondering is, since the RPi boots and runs off an sd card and I assume a mailbox database would be far too big for the sd card, how do i configure citadel to store the mailbox database to either and nfs or samba share?

thanks y’all  



Personally, I booted the pi off an SSD connected through USB and ditched the SD card entirely. I've had bad experiences in the past with SD card reliability, especially on the PI. This would give you the option of just storing it on the local drive, and that can be as large as you can find an SSD. That said, SD cards can come in capacities around 1 TB, so depending on the server size, that could store the database.



[#] Wed Mar 24 2021 13:47:29 EDT from zooer

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Is the ungoto function working correctly?  I never seem to go back to the last room.

 



[#] Wed Mar 24 2021 15:58:41 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

Subject: Re: Email Server Down... citadel.service fails to start... raspberry pi 4

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A few messages up, this issue and the solution was discussed. The entire thread is there, if the snip below doesn't make sense. On the Pi, even your root account does not have access to the /files directory where Citadel stores attachments.: 


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Yeah, this was one of the main reasons I updated to an i5 NUC and full Debian... and in the process of migrating, I discovered this issue. :) 

Otherwise I was pretty happy running it on a Pi 3, and it ran pretty well. 


But, it was a good learning experience, and made me understand the whole thing better - and get more serious about running the BBS - so, I suppose it was worth it. :) 

 

 

Wed Mar 10 2021 19:37:29 EST from NevadaRobSubject: Re: collect: premature EOM: input/output error

Right you are!

for anyone else with this issue

cd /usr/local/citadel

sudo chmod -R 775 test

sudo chown -R citadel:citadel test

Thanks

 
Tue Mar 16 2021 16:00:50 EDT from rbaral233 Subject: Email Server Down... citadel.service fails to start... raspberry pi 4

hey i am having an issue with my email server. It has been up and functioning perfectly for the past probably 6+ months since ive set it up... only 1 user, and everything is setup and running fine before this but i noticed after i was unable to reach the web interface the other day that the server isn't  running. The raspberry pi that its installed on is up and running perfectly, updated through apt-get update/upgrade as of the other day... and is on the network and nothing on any infrastructure end has changed.

BUT randomly like i said i noticed the email server went down and now is not functioning on the raspberry pi, and any attempt to reboot, or cmd prompt "restart or start citadel.service" fails and gives me exit code 105... i get no other info or anything given as to why or what happened or what is failing, but if someone could 1 point me in the right direction as to find the logs and if i can track down when/ why it failed in the first place... as well as if anyone has any experience or knows why or how to repair it or repair the server files as a whole if that may be the issue.....

 

 

Thanks,

Rob



 



[#] Thu Mar 25 2021 06:45:13 EDT from RandomAnalyst

Subject: TLS restrictions

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Hello,

Can someone please help us how to restrict ssh communication to only TLSv1.2 at Citadel mail server which is running in docker???

Thanks in advance :)



[#] Fri Mar 26 2021 17:08:02 EDT from ASCII Express

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Hi everyone! I just installed Citadel and noticed a few minor issues.
The installation script copied citadel.rc to /, instead of /usr/local/citadel. I moved it there manually.
After logging in, I noticed that the main menu instructs the user to type <.H>elp SUMMARY, but doing this results in a file not found message. I do see some other help files, including the intro.
Thanks for keeping Citadel alive.

[#] Fri Mar 26 2021 18:07:36 EDT from gronkdalonka

Subject: 500 No such user on AUTH LOGIN

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I noticed with the latest easy-install version of citadel sending mails via some clients (Fairemail) is not possible because smtp's AUTH LOGIN throws a "500 No such user" error when submitting an existing user name.
AUTH PLAIN is working fine.

So i guess smtp LOGIN is broken.

Can this be fixed or LOGIN removed from available AUTH methods?
Or is just something wrong with my setup?

 



[#] Sat Mar 27 2021 17:20:52 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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So... 

What *is* the current process for upgrading a production Citadel? I mean, I don't need a step by step - but is it just point to the easyinstall from the machine that you want upgraded, and run it? 


I just want to start to get my horses in order. 

 



[#] Sat Mar 27 2021 17:41:45 EDT from Nurb432

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That is my understanding too. 



[#] Sun Mar 28 2021 01:16:30 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I'm just not sure if Citadel should be up and running or shut down while the upgrade takes place. I would assume shut down. 

I'm just not sure if this portion of the Citadel administrator's guide is relevant or depreciated: 

Upgrading

Any existing Citadel installation may be upgraded in place without the need to discard your existing data files.

Upgrading to a new version uses the same build procedure as compiling the program for a fresh install, except that you want to do "make upgrade" instead of "make install". This will overwrite the programs but not your data. Be sure to shut down citserver during this process! If Citadel is running while you upgrade, you may face data corruption issues.

 

After doing make upgrade, you should run setup again to bring your data files up to date. Please see the setup section below for more information on this.

Sat Mar 27 2021 17:41:45 EDT from Nurb432

That is my understanding too. 



 



[#] Sun Mar 28 2021 08:20:24 EDT from cituser

Subject: Warnings implicit declarations gettimeofday

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If GCC warns of "implicit declaration" of "gettimeofday" in context_loop.c and tcp_sockets.c when compiling Webcit, inserting "#include <sys / time.h>" can prevent this.

An alternative use of "clock_gettime (CLOCK_MONOTONIC, & tx_start);" might also work.



[#] Sun Mar 28 2021 08:37:39 EDT from cituser

Subject: warnings deprecated readdir_r

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If GCC warns of "deprecated" by "readdir_r" in icontheme.d, subst.c and static.c, this can be the alternative use of "readdir":

'while ((filedir_entry = readdir (filedir))! = NULL)

// while ((readdir_r (filedir, d, & filedir_entry) == 0) && (filedir_entry! = NULL))

... '


prevent.  Webcit runs unchanged. No debug results yet.



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