Shit - in any case, this reminded me that I may have huge and terrible suffering ahead in my life, in addition to whatever OTHER misery the future might have planned for me. 

Fri Feb 20 2026 01:48:53 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

As far as i have heard, they never dissolve, only grow.  Or sometimes breakup into smaller, even sharper pieces.  I have not experienced one, but i have friends who have had to spend time in the hospital.

That claim is mostly wrong. Kidney stones can dissolve depending on their type, and they don’t just grow endlessly. Some stones break apart, but not into “sharper pieces” as a rule. The real issue is that when a stone moves through the ureter, even small fragments can cause intense pain.

As far as i have heard, they never dissolve, only grow.  Or sometimes breakup into smaller, even sharper pieces.  I have not experienced one, but i have friends who have had to spend time in the hospital.

That claim is mostly wrong. Kidney stones can dissolve depending on their type, and they don’t just grow endlessly. Some stones break apart, but not into “sharper pieces” as a rule. The real issue is that when a stone moves through the ureter, even small fragments can cause intense pain.

Well - fkkk. 

I suppose maybe they never drop before something else less painful ends me - and I get to go out without knowing THAT particular suffering. 

That is a uniquely Morrisey way to look at the possible upside. 

Sat Jan 31 2026 17:48:45 UTC from DarfWader

As far as i have heard, they never dissolve, only grow.  Or sometimes breakup into smaller, even sharper pieces.  I have not experienced one, but i have friends who have had to spend time in the hospital.

Sat Jan 31 2026 05:15:56 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

 

As far as i have heard, they never dissolve, only grow.  Or sometimes breakup into smaller, even sharper pieces.  I have not experienced one, but i have friends who have had to spend time in the hospital.

Sat Jan 31 2026 05:15:56 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

I evidently have a couple waiting to drop. I've seen other people go through this - and I've suffered a lot of crippling, painful things in my life... but not like that. 

I am not looking forward to that period of my life. Maybe it'll just never move or will dissolve. 

Sorry you had to go through it at all. 

 

I evidently have a couple waiting to drop. I've seen other people go through this - and I've suffered a lot of crippling, painful things in my life... but not like that. 

I am not looking forward to that period of my life. Maybe it'll just never move or will dissolve. 

Sorry you had to go through it at all. 

Well I hope you passed the kidney stone quickly and that you are feeling better.

oblig story:

Women like to say that men will never experience anything that hurts as much as childbirth.  My mom had kidney stones once and she said it was FAR worse.  So if you're a dude and you've had kidney stones, there's your point of reference.

And, to close out a mostly succky year.   Kidney stone.  yay. 

Tho, it wasn't a terrible nightmare like a few have in the past, but bad enough.

Let's go with that. Ignorance is bliss - for those who want to exploit you. ;) 

i assume that was a movie or something? I dot watch much, so didn't get the reference.

Oh, and its healing now. its starting to flake off and new skin underneath.      And yes it was an accident. Working on some bread, putting the boiling water in the oven for the 2nd rise, i bumped the rack and flipped it over, on the hand holding the cup. Was the first time to use the 'real' oven for this, normally i use the microwave, its better sealed.  Next time, it will NOT be a cup. LoL

Fri Dec 12 2025 21:30:27 UTC from Nurb432

PSA:  Pouring boiling water on your hand, is a bad idea.

PSA:  Pouring boiling water on your hand, is a bad idea.

yay migranes!

Already called you stupid on the phone, but will do it here too..    DONT DO THAT AGAIN.. we dont want to lose you.

Sun Sep 14 2025 14:23:51 UTC from Nurb432

PSA: When you decide to use sulfuric acid as a cleaner, don't blow off grabbing your painter's mask.. No, an open window isn't enough.  ( and when you cant smell, you don't know how bad it really is until you start coughing and such )

Rabies outbreak in the US. Never a good thing.

 "According to the CDC, someone traveling to areas where rabid dogs are a problem is at a higher risk of contracting the rabies virus, as are people who may encounter animals through work or leisure activities."

LoL i wonder how much that research cost us. These idiots will get us all killed.  Well, all of us serfs anyway.

PSA: When you decide to use sulfuric acid as a cleaner, don't blow off grabbing your painter's mask.. No, an open window isn't enough.  ( and when you cant smell, you don't know how bad it really is until you start coughing and such )

Having a high pain tolerance can be a bad thing at times.  You can do more damage than you realize.

Yes, it would be a PR win, because people are freaking stupid.

Wed Aug 20 2025 00:35:29 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

Legalizing marijuana once and for all is a free PR win available to the first one who does it.

Is it really a win? 99% of the people i know don't really care.  It wont be a blip on their radar. the other 1%, don't care either, as being illegal isn't relevant to them, they do it anyway. I think i know of one person that it might effect. "ooh its legal now, ill go buy some" But knowing them, they will lose interest soon after.

Might even have the reverse effect "He is opening the drug flood gates everyone is going to OD and die!!" ( not really true, but remember a good 2 generations had it pounded into their heads "its the gateway drug" in primary schools.

Wed Aug 20 2025 00:35:29 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

Legalizing marijuana once and for all is a free PR win available to the first one who does it.

Cant say how serious he is, as hes full of hot air on a regular basis, but Trump is considering reclassifying pot..    Tho at this point, many states have already done it, and others just don't bother with enforcing anymore, so does it really make a difference in the bigger picture?

One source, of many... - >  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCRswgJSapU

Flesh eating bacteria has arrived on the shores of the US  ( gulf area ). At least 2 dead,several sick.. for now...

Would be cool to get a hold of some of that..     add some crispr...  fun times could be had. 

keto, i'll splain a few basics.

- your body can metabolize (burn) Glucose and Ketones.

- there is a bias toward burning Glucose. your pancreas creates Insulin to metabolize glucose

- the western diet is PACKED with carbohydrates (carbs).  carbs translate to glucose which stimulates insulin

+ see the cycle?  eat carbs, raise insulin levels, get energy boost and feel good. munchy all day on carbs!

+ problem, insulin derives its name from INSULATION.  while your insulin is elevated it is IMPOSSIBLE to burn fat and loose weight

- work out all you want, if your insulin / glucose spends all day elevated, you will only gain weight and never loose

- you loose weight when your glucose and insulin levels are low for long periods (6 or more hours) and your body is use to burning ketones

- keto is simple.  count carbs.  when you do eat carbs, eat them in a 5 hour window from when you wake up to your mid day meal. try to keep carbs to less than 50 grams 

- zero carbs after your mid day meal. and definitely zero carbs after sundown to sunrise. 

- hungry during your daily carb fast?  eat- chicken, beef, bacon, fish in any quantity you like, just do zero carbs during your carb fast, do not elevate your glucose in this period. do not eat after sundown

- get your body use to making and burning ketones.  there are 3 phases.

  1- get your body creating and burning ketones. (zero carbs per day, for 3-4 weeks but lots of healthy fats and even mct oils)

  2- change your diet for permanent ketosis, limit carbs to the morning, hold a threshold of 50g carbs per day, learn to pick lots of zero carb foods, change your pantry

  3- add some cardio exercise in the evening to keep your body making and burning ketones during the daily carb fast

people get into ketosis at step 1 but then backslide and wind up putting pounds back on by letting their insulin remain high for too many hours in a day and they fail to change their diets and fail to limit their carbs.  

after man-o-pause, age 43ish.  your metabolism changes.  you must get into keto, otherwise youre gonna wipe out your pancreas and die a horrible fat inflamed clogged arteries death. 

recap.

control daily insulin levels (glucose). count carbs not calories. change foods to low/no carbs (lots of healthy fats and oils), daily evening cardio (10-20 mins)

if you are 100 lbs overweight, this recipe  wlll drop all 100 in 4-6 months.  it isn't hard. controlling  daily insulin levels is key

once you loose the 100 lbs, dont pig out on carbs all day. keep carbs locked into a 5 or 6 hour period each day. 4 hours is best

been there, done that.

Good for you.

I lost around 10 a few weeks ago when i was in ER.

Fri Jul 11 2025 13:41:35 UTC from SamuraiCrow

In other news, I just lost 25 pounds on a keto diet. I guess that's just what I needed! Eat fat to lose fat!

Sat May 31 2025 14:22:17 UTC from ZoeGraystone

I hear the Canadians are trying to kill you all off again up north.  Joking aside, good luck with all the effects of the fire clouds.  

Was it West Canada or the mainland? :-P

In other news, I just lost 25 pounds on a keto diet. I guess that's just what I needed! Eat fat to lose fat!

As hard to believe as it is, this SOB is actually more dangerous than Facui.  At least Facui knew what he was doing. This dumb-ass is clueless.

"HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins have expressed interest in letting H5N1 outbreaks spread unchecked through U.S. poultry farms."

ok, really now.. this heat has got to stop..  even at 6am before the sun even gets over the trees... its hot and humid enough to sweat like a pig while walking the dogs.

I hear the Canadians are trying to kill you all off again up north.  Joking aside, good luck with all the effects of the fire clouds.  

Well, you would want to mix it..  Moonshine is perfect for mixing.

As far as "a shot + hangovers", i used to have ( still do? i donno ) had a high tolerance.  Back in the old days id drink a 1/2 pint of 190, and walk away from the party.  Friend/drinking buddy used to drink 151. Most everyone else either beer or the occasional 80 proof pee-water.  ( i may have told this story, of so, sorry ).  One evening during a weekend party, mid to late 20s, we finished off our bottles, sitting in the kitchen.  Looked around at everyone passed out.    "ok, this is dumb" and we both quit that night and never looked back.               

( what little bit i drink now does not count. its a flavor thing. tequila + my green fizz, perhaps once a month max and never enough to cause any effects )

Wed May 21 2025 16:41:24 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

Well yes, we could have a discussion about the federal government abusing its interpretation of the interstate commerce clause ("weeeeeeelllll... theoretically this *could* cross state lines") but for the purpose of this discussion it's sufficient to say that yes, some states have liquor laws.

As for me, I've got such a low alcohol tolerance that a single serving of something 120 proof would finish me off for the rest of the day and give me a whopping hangover. It sure feels good going down, though.

How about:  Try understanding the 10th.   Or go back to school. 

Mon May 19 2025 00:35:34 UTC from SouthernComputerGeek

Read the Tenth Amendment.

Sun May 18 2025 17:42:52 UTC from Nurb432

A few liquor stores sell 'commercial' moonshine.  Unless your state bans high proof ( some do... unconstitutional )

Read the Tenth Amendment.

Sun May 18 2025 17:42:52 UTC from Nurb432

A few liquor stores sell 'commercial' moonshine.  Unless your state bans high proof ( some do... unconstitutional )

A few liquor stores sell 'commercial' moonshine.  Unless your state bans high proof ( some do... unconstitutional )  If you go with at least 120 proof, its close enough to real to be fine.  ( blueflame is one )

While is not 100% the same, a bit lower proof, its almost there...  and at least you don't run the risk of dying if they did a poor job distilling. 

Sat May 17 2025 20:11:36 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

PSA:  Too much moonshine in the afternoon can ruin your dinner.

PSA: I wouldn't know good moonshine if you filled my truck up with it. I need to do better.

PSA:  Too much moonshine in the afternoon can ruin your dinner.

fyi the floor of the garage is hard when you trip and fall on it. 

Lol.  Had blood work this morning.  They wanted to run a blood-type test. I told them no they really dont.  All it does is confuse and scare the doctors.  They did it anyway.  Came back with a blank wtf. look. ( its t-negative )

DNA tests are even worse.

Don't want to get into the right/wrong discussion or anything as that is a rabbit hole none of us wasn't to jump down, but i guess there is a report of skyrocketing 'day after' pill purchases this week.

Sort of find that interesting. 

Oops

Fri Sep 06 2024 07:29:23 EDT from darknetuser

.WHen I returned home and removed it I suffered a preassure downpike and nearly passed out.

It wasn't the patients fault. He was from Alabama or something, was just visiting. I am sure the doctor was a DEI hire. 

Wed Sep 04 2024 20:07:28 EDT from zelgomer

Didn't even click the link. Saw Florida in the URL, that's all I needed to know.

"your spleen is bad, if you leave the hospital to go to your home state to have surgery you will die" "you have to have it done here, now"

"ok ok i guess"

doctor proceeds to remove his liver and call it the spleen.  Dies on the table.  

WTF

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2024/09/04/florida-doctor-removes-wrong-organ-during-surgery-patient-suffers-immediate-catastrophic-death-1484863/

Depends on which definition you want to use.

The one that implies being a social outcast, yes, ill fully agree with that one.. :)

The one related to a bacterial infection, no. I simply don't process nerve impulses the same as most humans. I cant smell, don't feel low level pain and high pain is subdued. Low ( or none ) emotions.    Oh, and cant deal with heat :) ( but i can the cold more than anyone i know personally )  But no weakness, skin sores, lung issues, or other symptoms that are typical with bacterial leprosy. 

Mon Sep 02 2024 20:13:51 EDT from zelgomer

Are you a leper?

The one disadvantage of having an unusually high tolerance to pain, is you can hurt yourself and not even know it. Out with one of the dogs last evening, look down, blood on the sidewalk.  Seems i tore a hole in my hand at some point.   Pocket ( keys inside ) had blood too, so it was before i left the house.    

Didn't die, pants washed out, oh well.

97 the next few days here..  bleh.

And some 11 hours later. still dont feel well and not quite 'with it'.

Hope this passes soon. This is uncool.

That was fun.  

its 75 degrees +95% humility. And as i have said more than once i do poorly in heat.   So, been walking dogs in stupid early AM ( like 5am ) since its in the 90s in the afternoon. This morning about 45mins in, could feel my heart beat in my face, sort of like when weather changes and a migraine is coming..... then i got really hot.. and light headed.  Had to sit down on the ground for a bit.   Still dont feel "right" even after getting home in the AC and a shower.

I guess i wont die.

Yay weather is changing. Huge storm heading this way for later today. So i get an early migraine as a gift.

I can predict them better than the weather dude :) 

No, they have to be removed periodically.   Id rather not waste $ and time at a doctors office. They cant do anything i cant do on my own.

Fri Jun 28 2024 17:07:51 EDT from zelgomer

I like to keep my toenails attached as a general rule, and they almost never bleed. I think you might be doing something wrong.

sort of an annoyance, might have mentioned it before.  But its really annoying when you rip out a toe nail, mis-calculate and bleed on the carpet.   ( yes for me, that is a regular event. "foot maintenance" so to speak. cheaper than going to the doctor every year or 2 and having them do it )

Falls under politics too, but this will kill people, according to DEI rules.  Disgusting ***holes. 

"The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is looking to push equity requirements on hospitals providing kidney transplants, according to a recent proposal.

The proposal, announced on May 8, will help President Joe Biden’s administration’s plan to address “racial bias” when it comes to waiting times and “profiteering and inequity” by transplant hospitals, Secretary Xavier Becerra said in the press release. HHS’ proposal would incentivize hospitals to prioritize low-income patients via a point system and create “health equity” plans to address patient gaps."

87 today. went out for 10 minutes to do a couple of things ( like feed the feral cats ). now i have a migraine.

I ever mention i hate summer? 

Went back to the ortho place today, 'followup and schedule for pin implantation' 

I didnt notice it last times since i was in/out so fast and was in a surgery room... but i was sitting in the waiting room looking around, "hmm this sort of looks like a theme"  .. went back to an exam room, and past the nurse station..  The owner has decked the place out in a dark Gothic theme. Floors, walls, wall hangings.. even the window frames and counter tops.

Rather cool actually. l like it.

Mentioned it to the doctor, "i missed this last time, but i really like the theme"  He looked up for a second, "oh, ya..." rolled his eyes.  Lol. 

And as i walked in from the waiting room i heard " is yours spinning"   Seems just as i walked in the building their network went down. Took out the computers, xray, all of it. I commented " i bet your network went out, i saw your closet door open"   "hey, you a computer guy? Do you want to help"    Ya, no, cant imagine the trouble we would all be in. A state government IT person, messing with private HIPPA related equipment but not cleared for it. 

Yay Benadryl    ( weather changing.. face pressure + headache ).  Is it nap time?

"‘Polio Paul’ Alexander, who spent 72 years inside iron lung, dead at 78"

Not me, day #2, "ok, pull the plug. NOW"

Good to hear you are still among the living...  was beginning to wonder if things got bad.. or really bad...

So I worked a full week for a change.  Week before that?  My condition was deteriorating and I felt like utter shite.  Why?  I went to Texas MedClinic and they gave me two industrial-strength cough medicines.  I wasn't coughing and that was bad since it allowed all that cruft to just build up in my lungs, making the pain worse and worse.  Last Mewday I spent the mewning coughing it all up since I ran out of the prescribed stuffs.  I still cough those beige blobs out of my lungs several times a day, but it's slowly becoming less and less.  Yes I feel better now that I've gone back to ibuprofen and acetaminophen.

Out working n the yard ( aside from beating T-poles in the ground..  )  and decided to bend up an old pipe we had out back and toss it in big trash since its this week.  Got ready to put it on cinder block to bend it and instead dropped it on the toe i had torn out of its socket a couple of years ago...    this may not go well.  May not be walking tomorrow.   

yay :(

For a moment I thought Pokemon Violet was the new COVID variant.

When I first glanced at the post I thought it was describing a colorful way of vomiting.

That's true.  Quarter Horses absolutely dominate here.

Well, that is a bonus.  I get 'fish antibiotic' from them every so often, and they have not asked for pictures of my tank.  ( which i do actually have one.. 70 gallon beast )

Unsure about Rural King.

Tue Feb 20 2024 13:41:33 EST from nonservator

Most tractor supply stores are no longer bothering to ask you for a picture of your horse before they'll sell you Vitamin I. I might be speaking from experience.

Most tractor supply stores are no longer bothering to ask you for a picture of your horse before they'll sell you Vitamin I. I might be speaking from experience.

Good luck getting a doctor to prescribe it for you.  Many wont, they are afraid. 

Mon Feb 19 2024 19:23:08 EST from test2

aww, that sucks... take ivermectin anyway... it'll knock it out.

 

:(

Tue Feb 20 2024 12:30:28 EST from LadySerenaKitty

Nah, I'm taking ibuprofen and acetaminophen.  I'll be fine by the end of the week.  At least today I'm good enough to work.

 

Nah, I'm taking ibuprofen and acetaminophen.  I'll be fine by the end of the week.  At least today I'm good enough to work.

Mon Feb 19 2024 19:23:08 EST from test2

aww, that sucks... take ivermectin anyway... it'll knock it out.

Mon Feb 19 2024 05:10:42 PM EST from LadySerenaKitty

Yesterday I got home from a cruise.  Royal Caribbean's Harmony.  My dad caught something.  Gave it to both me and my mom.  My mom did the chinavirus test - negative.

 

aww, that sucks... take ivermectin anyway... it'll knock it out.

Mon Feb 19 2024 05:10:42 PM EST from LadySerenaKitty

Yesterday I got home from a cruise.  Royal Caribbean's Harmony.  My dad caught something.  Gave it to both me and my mom.  My mom did the chinavirus test - negative.

Yesterday I got home from a cruise.  Royal Caribbean's Harmony.  My dad caught something.  Gave it to both me and my mom.  My mom did the chinavirus test - negative.

Yay, just what we need.  Another synthetic opioid even more deadly than fentanyl , and yet another round of people using some newish animal tranquilizer. ( anyone old enough to remember PCP ?). 

And of course they are coming up thru the border mostly and are currently most rampant in sanctuary cities, go figure.. Thanks Biden, and your followers.

lol

pictures or it didn't happen :)

And good you are feeling better. i was wondering what happened to you.   

Company: Royal Caribbean

Ship: Harmony of the Seas

Cruise Title: 7 Night Western Caribbean Cruise

Start: Galveston, Texas

Stop 1: Roatan, Honduras

Stop 2: Puerto Costa Maya, United States of Mexico

Stop 3: Cozumel, United States of Mexico

Finish: Galveston, Texas

Fri Feb 02 2024 15:44:46 EST from Nurb432

where to?

where to?

Last week I had COVID for the second time.  Got Pokemon Violet from GameStop (delivered).  My first actual Pokemon game.  Friend was amazed I beat the game in 4 days.  I was in quarantine in my room, not like I had shit else to do.  Last Caturday I tested negative and was set free.

Been nearly a week, and still my bank balance is dangerously low.  Dammit.  Gotta work moar, since by this time next week I'll be heading to Galveston to get on a cruise ship.

On second thought, remembering Chuck from Better Call Saul made me think of a better response:

"Boy, I'm glad you asked. Yeah, I'm absolutely terrified of food. But why electricity? I mean, I'm not INSANE."

"YES, I AM ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED OF FOOD AND ELECTRICITY."

Went to see a new doctor today.  ( ours retired )

Pages on pages to fill out on line. Even tho they have our records.  And i typed up a history to since she would not know *why* we did something just what we did. 

One set of forms they hit me with when i got there: "social bla bla something or other" questions like " have you been afraid of having food or electricity in the last 6 months"   huh? Isn't that for social services to ask, not a MD? 

yay

Chinese scientists experimented with a mutant COVID-19 strain that’s 100 percent deadly to “humanized” mice, according to a new study.

When exposed to mice “engineered to reflect similar genetic makeup to people,” the COVID-19 strain GX_PSV attacked the mice’s lungs, bones, eyes, tracheas and brains, the New York Post reported following the study’s publication last week.

All the mice subsequently died within just eight days.

“In the days before their deaths, the mice had quickly lost weight, exhibited a hunched posture and moved extremely sluggishly. Most eerie of all, their eyes turned completely white the day before they died,” the Post notes.

*insert joke about AI here*

ya, no after surgery infection. 

Thu Dec 28 2023 22:09:00 EST from zelgomer

So can I assume you didn't die?

Oddity yesterday.

Went on a walk with one of the dogs.  Got home and 20 mins later we both were sick. Couple of hours later both of us are ok.

How strange.....

yay surgery day. with luck i dont get an infection this afternoon and die next week.  ( having artificial body parts, that is always the risk of having anything done, even minor )

So i guess a implant is planned.  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Get the roots cut out in 2 weeks ( i dont see how they can 'pull' anything... nothing left to grab onto.  At least it does not hurt.  ( tho im sure will be sure after that .. and then in 3 or 4 months when they drill into my jaw to insert the pin... )

Sigh. lost a tooth last night.  Had a filling fall out 2 weeks ago. Had it replaced last week. Minor thing.   last night eating some pie, out the entire thing came. No pain. Nothing. Roots are long dead. Explains why the filling came out.  Outside of tooth is great, inside is gone. 

Not pleased. Other than losing a tooth due to a bone in a sandwich ( and when i called to give them a heads up to check their chicken supply, and not asking for anything, i got yelled at and hung up on ), i really dont have any issues out of the ordinary. I did have braces as a kid, which set me up for some cavities, sort of wish i never got them, several years of of pain and suffering just to 'look pretty'.  and i DO have issues with internal mouth sores, so there often days i could barely even drink food. Lots of cup-o-soup back then for diet. ( if my tongue was on fire, no way to avoid the pain and often just skipped eating or drinking )

yay   love it when i cant swallow. 

Odd one, and Google is of zero help.

• I have a script. At CVS it costs something like 300 a bottle now WITH insurance.   it used to be like 10 or so for years and suddenly went up.
• My insurance is ONLY accepted at CVS due to contracts. ( scam, but whatever, it is what it is )
• Told doc i cant really afford this..  so he showed me GoodRX..  If i still go to CVS its 150 ( better ). but at Kroger its about 60. Costco is a tad over 50.. but its further away..Kroger is 5 miles away.. so Kroger wins
• So for the last couple of years been going to Kroger, pay 60 bucks or so and come back in a month or 2. Rinse/repeat
• Last time " its no charge, have a nice day"..   Not wanting to punch a gift horse in the mouth i said thanks and ran off real fast before they change their mind.
• This month, i whip out the GoodRX thing on my phone 'Do you need".. "no, there is no charge"   "that is far better than 60, thanks".. zooom.... and you could hear the vacuum form as i left.

Pulling out the sheet in the bag back at home, i noticed it said Bill to: "Advance PCS of Texas"  NOT GoodRx ..

Trying to see what was up, google said caremark bought/merged them 20 years ago and they no longer exist. . So i'm confused.  Who are these people, and why are they paying for my drugs??? ( and how can i make sure they keep doing it :) )

And of course caremark is part of CVS, which makes it even more confusing... 

Hes not a fan of Google. 

Fri Aug 11 2023 03:40:23 PM EDT from darknetuser Subject: Re: Berberine

For sugar control I have seen some Doctors recommend Chromium. 

Never heard of it, but seems safe enough try.. worst case it does nothing for you.

Might work for canker sores too.. I should look at it more myself.  Mine get so bad my face will swell for 2 weeks. 

From rape and murder dungeons to secret biolabs, all sorts of unpleasantness keeps turning up.

Secret bio-lab in California but just now news is really getting out about it. wtf.  even if was legit intent, you dont do that stuff in a freaking warehouse underground.. 

https://kmph.com/news/local/secret-biological-lab-in-reedley-shut-down-by-health-authorities-over-safety-concerns

The filament jammed up the hot end and i wasn't even able to burn it back out with a torch.  And i guess really I meant to say fried the printer hot end, not 'just' printer. 

Not that its "hard" to replace a hot end on a 'direct drive' head. ( never went bowden when that started becoming a thing. I never saw an advantage other than speed ), but dong that does require total re-calibration, of everything.  which is a royal pain in the neck.  That included the feed tube too. so more effort.  Normally i can get away with just the nozzle when they wear out. But not that time. Was all of it.

Wed Jul 19 2023 12:52:45 AM EDT from test2

i got the file from one of the 3D model sites (thingaverse probably).  how bad did your printer get fried? dead board or burnt to a crisp and toss in trash can?

i got the file from one of the 3D model sites (thingaverse probably).  how bad did your printer get fried? dead board or burnt to a crisp and toss in trash can?

Looks like the same exact mask i printed, and fried my printer in the process.  TPE sux.   ( well minus the fan :) )

my mask, the fan blows air OUT.  no one ever questioned it.

2099350119@Uncensored

Same here. tho the masks i ended up with had dogs on them, and did have a pocket for paper filter.   One for each dog.   Early on i printed one out of flexible filament, put a smiley face sticker on it.  I so wanted to put a bird on it, ( as in middle finger ) and call it 'free speech'. Hosed my printer, had to tear it apart, replace the hot-end and recalibrate everything. Will never use that stuff again.

Had another with the valves so you didnt suffocate, which were banned from use here in several places.  Really? wtf. idiots. Even if you believe in masks, it was an INTAKE valve..

Thu Jul 13 2023 09:41:33 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Heh. The masks that I had been keeping around were specially designed to be extra thin and breathable, because cloth masks don't work against the chinavirus, so they basically just satisfied mask requirements without blocking my access to air quite so much.

That was great but they weren't useful when I actually wanted a mask to filter the canada smoke out of the air. So I stayed inside, mostly.

Mine are in my jeep.  So that if i go somewhere that still required it ( like doctors office ) it was there.   Get back, instantly goes in the glove compartment. 

Tho i have a real mask, for painting, i could wear if i had to :)

Tue Jun 13 2023 05:26:11 PM EDT from shazam

when the air quality was bad , that’s when I found out I didn’t know where I’d left all my masks. I try to  not judge mask wearers in any case, just assume they or someone they are close to is going through chemo and they are trying their best with the knowledge they have.

Does anyone else here listen to The Model Healthshow podcast?  

when the air quality was bad , that’s when I found out I didn’t know where I’d left all my masks. I try to  not judge mask wearers in any case, just assume they or someone they are close to is going through chemo and they are trying their best with the knowledge they have.

Does anyone else here listen to The Model Healthshow podcast?  

Of course they were.

I cant say if i would or not.  

I do think canister masks would be effective ( "are you my mommy"? ), but not so sure a piece of cloth or paper is worth the trouble. 

Fri Jun 09 2023 03:50:26 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

On the other hand, it seemed like some of the mask-wearers were just delighted to finally be getting another hit of fear porn.

2018: https://www.capradio.org/articles/2018/11/13/wildfire-smoke-masks-have-more-risks-than-benefits-according-to-sacramento-county-health-officials/

2019: https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/N95-mask-wildfire-smoke-San-Francisco-Bay-Area-14428384.php

But yanno science, like the Constitution, is a living document

If you can smell the smoke, you should wear a face mask.  You don't want those particulates in your lungs, they can cause all kinds of nasty, the effects of which won't come for several years.  Fire byproducts like ash can contain dioxin, which is a carcinogen.

Or you can ignore my advice, it is your body after all.

Here's a photo a friend-of-a-friend took in Chinada.  It looks like Mars.

2099345793@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099344793Wed, 31 May 2023 13:12:13 -00002099344793@Uncensored

Ya out of liberal self-fueled panic and outright false info being pushed by Fauci and his crew.. a lot of bad decisions were made, by a lot of people who should have known better and questioned the 'experts'. 

Dear Mom: Remember 2020? Remember when all these experimental pharmaceutical treatments were being rolled out, and I said I'd read the fine print which outright admitted these treatments did not prevent infection by or transmission of this particular "novel" respiratory virus? Remember how your response was exactly the same as the response from almost everyone I knew in 2016 when I went to Donald Trump's campaign website and read his proposed presidential policies, instead of listening to what the deranged and hysterical shrieking was insisting? Remember how the response was to tell me to shut up and call me a Nazi? Remember when I hesitantly expressed my concern that I might someday be forced to make healthcare decisions for you, and that I didn't want you to feel I would be acting against your best interests, and your response was to blow me off with the words "I have a husband"? Remember how your husband is now dead, God rest his soul?

God help us all. Except the globohomo clown world motherfuckers that permanently drove a wedge between my mother and I. They can all take a big step backward, and literally fuck their own face until they fuck themselves to death.

Any experience with Lactuca virosa?

Since the government mandated the lock-downs and shots, i suspect it got us here later than nature would have on her own :)   Government always chooses the wrong route.

Mon Apr 10 2023 09:23:11 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Well, at this point it behaves that way. It didn't at first. What we can speculate about is whether the response to it got us here sooner or later.

its just modern flu.. 

Fri Apr 07 2023 10:43:02 AM EDT from fandarel

 - but nobody seems to really give a hoot anymore. Which is fine with me.

I hate specialists and tests. f-them. its a racket. one that i will no longer participate in. 

yay another eye infection, so heavy duty antibiotics, hoping to avoid surgery this time. ( related to the meibomian glands ).   next day.. flu.. in bed 3 days now..

bleh!

Its good they did not find anything.

I guess my prep was not normal, since it was just a 2 hour thing just before i went. I had heard stories, but doc:  " we do it a bit different, it wont be as bad"

I have been put out more than once for things, and ya, its "a we are going to st...."   Then you wake up in another room. Its really disorienting, even tho you are expecting it. 

Yes the procedure is trivial. You lay down, they put you to sleep, you wake up later and its done.

Last 2 times i fell, broke a rib on one latest, and eradicated a radius bone on previous ( both due to dogs ).  I try to avoid falling now :) 

I had one at 50.   My doctor gave me something that i only had to take a couple of hours before. Not an all nigher of misery. 

Entire thing went well, other than after i woke up, was still blinking awake and getting my bearings since i was in a different room  " here drink this "  "im not ready.." "drink it now"  so i did, and threw up on her.

bleh. f-ed up my foot again.  another 2 weeks of barely being able to walk and constant pain.

While travelling across the US with my Nephew from Prague, we both ended up catching Covid. 

We're of similar health, habits, lifestyle, age and weight. 

I've been jabbed and boosted, then boosted twice more. 

He has never had the jab. 

We holed up in Sacramento and isolated. I went on Paxlovid, he did not. 

We both smoked, and actually drank, while sick. 

The symptoms and course of the illness was nearly identical for both of us, and was actually not as bad as a moderate cold. 

In other news ... and I had a hard time deciding where to post this ...

Over in India they are now charging Bill Hitler Gates over vaccine-related deaths.

[ https://slaynews.com/news/bill-gates-indian-high-court-notice-vaccine-death/ ]

Billionaire Bill Gates has been issued with a notice from the Bombay High Court over a case that alleges the Microsoft co-founder is responsible for deaths related to COVID-19 vaccines.

It's about time someone held this dude responsible.  According to the article:

The petitioner, Dilip Lunawat, is seeking Rs 1,000 crore ($125,451,200) compensation after his daughter, Dr. Snehal Lunawat, died after receiving the Covishield vaccine.

Yes, it's his fault.  Why?  Among other reasons, according to the article:

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation also helped the Indian pharmaceutical company rush the vaccine into production.

Lunwat says his daughter was compelled to take the anti-Covid vaccine at her college in Nashik on January 28 last year

I agree, of course.  Bill Gates should be extradited to India, convicted, sentenced, and executed for his many crimes against humanity.

Have to watch that here. If you build something to big they make you tear it down.  They also ban 'farm animals' ( even when we were still a rural community, before the concrete mixers came in and destroyed everything that grows )

Man i wish i had moved out where i originally planned on and not here.  im sort of stuck, too old to take on another mortgage. 

Sat Sep 10 2022 11:23:04 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

If you can't do farming, consider framing. You only have to transpose two letters, and you get to build walls.

Unfortunately i have limited space for farming, and being in Midwest, limited by weather too

I used to have stock for about a month.  Not so much prepping, but just so if i needed something non perishable i had it without driving out to the store.

Now its 6 months worth. 

Even if you dont store for emergencies and just to reduce trips to the store, rotation is a good idea.

Mon Aug 15 2022 19:15:10 EDT from zelgomer

I figure buying bottled water and keeping it in my hot car for long periods of time is probably not good. I have an empty thermos and a life straw in my bag, but I think I should have ready-to-drink water, too. I just don't know how to best handle the logistics of it.

Suggestions?

Plastic water bottles have an expiration date so far in the future that it's almost insane.  April 8799?  God damn!  That's almost like it's a little moar than 6,000 years from now!

Bottled water, stored in car?  Just make sure it doesn't get any direct sunlight, so cover it up with something.  Because pesky UV photons, they ruin everything, almost like they're the photon equivalent of social justice incels or something.

So 3 days of taking prednisone,  you dont feel so well. But its helping the foot, so its a compromise. Lesser of evils i guess. 

Doctor thinks its an "impact triggered osteoporosis joint event".   xray to verify it wasn't out of socket or broke but they never called back with results.  Got home from blood work after the xray, took some steroids he gave me "in case im right, your can start tomorrow". And a Hydrocodone and Dramamine ( was already throwing up from the pain ) slept 3 hours.. its actually improved.  Still hurts but i dont want to take an axe to it now.

This actually hurt worse than when i shattered my radius bone..

I really hope this never happens again....

This weekend either broke or dislocated the large toe metatarsus on the right foot

Unrelated to healthy but brakes..

interstate one morning, 2 cars decided to kiss each other right in front of me. We were all doing about 70. hit the brakes.... floor board  ( turned out i popped a line ).. 2 more cars hit and everyone bouncing around the lanes. i got to swerve thru them like a video game.  concrete retaining walls so no where to go.

Still dont know i snaked thru them.....

Been neat to see it on camera, afterward.

Ya, it was punching the horn button on the wheel that caused the bone break.  Scion xB has good brakes, so I avoided a collision.  Toyota brakes are no joke, they have serious stoppering power.

Ah I was just thinking the force of slowing down while holding the wheel. But i bet you are right.

People have broken arms and hands by gripping too hard and then an impact, and i have been lucky. its why i always am sure my hands will slip off if im hit, again.

Sat Jul 30 2022 11:06:48 AM EDT from zelgomer

2022-07-30 11:43 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
Interesting that just the slow down caused the fracture.  Wouldn't
think there would be enough force for that.

I took it that it was punching the horn that did it, hence the "boxer's fracture". She effectived had a boxing match with her steering wheel.

Interesting that just the slow down caused the fracture.  Wouldn't think there would be enough force for that.

But, thankfully you didnt hit him.. would have been far worse :(              ( i used to drive WAY too much, so i have been in more than one car wreck. Always been the other person's fault, but that is little consolation if you are dead )

So .... on Tuesday I was flying down a 2-lane country road in the middle of nowhere at 75mph (speed limit was 70) and then some idiot pulled out in front of me ... at a crazy distance of roughly 200 feets.  I slammed on the brake and punched the horn.  Last night I complained to my mom about the pain and we went to Texas MedClinic in New Braunfels (the one in Selma had a 3 hour wait time, screw that).  Got some high-energy ionizing photons from a roentgenograph and it turns out I broked a bone - distal end of right fifth metatarsal, aka "boxer's fracture" and got a splint.

This mewning we went to Baptist Health System Orthopedic Specialty.  Went from a splint to a brace.  The brace has a serial number.  wtf?  A serial number for a temporary medical device?  Anyway, has another appointment in 3 weeks.  I didn't work today, but I wonder if I can work with this thing.  Ah well, I worked for a couple days with an untreated broken paw, I can do it with the brace, right?

Why do I sometimes get ragey when I have to slow down while en route?  Because then I have to accelerate back up to speed, and that costs gas, and in case y'all hadn't noticed already, GAS AIN'T CHEAP.

Fri Jul 29 2022 19:28:50 EDT from Nurb432

tho i do wonder.. when im cremated, do they just toss the titanium parts or?

Generally, the remaining family can either choose to keep them, or let the creamation facility send them off for metal recycling.  When my grandpa died, we had his metal bits sent off for recycling.

tho i do wonder.. when im cremated, do they just toss the titanium parts or?

If you can avoid kidney stones, yes, id try to avoid that.  :)

Sat Jul 23 2022 10:21:09 PM EDT from zelgomer

 I've never torn antthing nor had kidney stones, nor arthritis. Here's hoping I never do!

I think id prefer a broken bone to what i got.  Those can heal.  When there is no bone left, they dont heal well :)   But ya, hearing about others injuries, dont effect me like that either.

And im sure you can imagine the long term arthritis effects of having what is left of your radius shoved into your wrist. ( pretty sure my shoulder is hosed with it too, same reason and all the torn tendons and ligaments, it still hurts abd pops actually ) 

When i had my car wreck 3 years or so ago where i broke my neck,  had xrays of my arm done too, just in case. ( i had my hands on the steering wheel, since i was still moving ).  Rather scary looking down in the wrist and its no wonder it hurts ( no good days, just not always bad days.. im sure you understand )   strangely enough my arm IS trying to rebuild itself, you can see new bone slowly forming around the metal implant and working toward the elbow. I learned a new word that day: "osseointegration"

May have mentioned too and on a more comedic momemt; But when i first went in with my arm in pieces, after he forced the ulna back into place "why are you not crying.." "eh, it hurts, just do it"  was showing me the xray "This is bad, the worst i have ever seen and there is nothing left to heal.  We will have to insert a 7" piece of titanium here, and... bla bla "    "cool, do i get retractable claws too?"    Doc just stared at me. Nurse about fell out of her chair. She understood. It was around the time the first wolverine came out with Jackman.   I tried to explain, he had no clue what the hell i was talking about.. failed. 

Sat Jul 23 2022 08:15:08 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

That's funny, I've had broken bones and I don't get goosebumps when I hear about others having them. 

When I was in the Navy, a bar of zinc was dropped by someone working directly above me.  That 30lbs bar of zinc hit my right arm, nearly breaking it.  No broken bones, tho.  I got seriously lucky.  I was sent back to the barracks for the rest of the day.  After that pain wore off, never had any issues.

This past week, I've been having pains in exactly the spot where that bar of zinc hit me 20 years ago.  Unfortunately, personal injury laws have a statute of limitations.  In Georgia, this statute of limitations is 2 years.  That's important because any claim against the Navy for this would be in Georgia, as that's where I was when the zinc hit me.  Why the hell is it bothering me after 20 years?  Grrrr!

lol

Should we talk about kidney stones or torn tendons next? :)

Fri Jul 22 2022 07:57:01 PM EDT from zelgomer

I should zap this room. I've broken a few bones and dislocated a joint before, and now thinking about that stuff gives me goosebumps every time Nurb432 posts about his weird wrist.

Well that was fun.

Yesterday after work, had a bit of a drive to head to a 'viewing' for a co-worker's child. Straight shot out of town, ~ 40 minute drive.    Got time to turn into the parking lot and my left elbow went out of socket and stuck.    I have 2 arms so not dangerous but man it hurt and was unexpected. 

( for those that dont know, my radius bone was replaced with Adamantium ( ok, ok, titanium :) ) a few years back to an accident with one of my dogs.  During the accident, pushed what was left into my wrist so its hosed too.    But normally it stays where its supposed to.. )

The wife brought home Covid from her work in Jan. I took an experimental drug, Paxlovid.

I got COVID while on the cruise.  Luckily, I only got it the day before our cruise ended in Vancouver, Canadia.  Home now.  The 'Rona sucks, but I feel better meow.

the proper pronunciation- the "k" is silent

Or any place else, until you know them well enough.

Sun May 22 2022 10:44:55 AM EDT from zelgomer

Fear porn. Don't fuck strangers in the ass and you'll be fine.

Not seen that one yet. 

But fluvid release didnt kill everyone off like they hoped so gotta try again.

Same here.

We had it end of Jan, beginning Feb in  2020, before anyone knew what it was.  We were "functionally sick" about 2 weeks, 'its sort of like flu, but its not, its mostly just annoying, but wtf is this as its not a cold'. 

I was also dealing with a kidney stone ( longest running one i have had to date ) and i know all the tests i was getting, i caught it at the hospital..  

Thu May 19 2022 10:45:54 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

 For me it was like a flu, and not the worst flu I've had either. 

I do have the dull pain all the time. sometimes worse if i move wrong ( especially in mornings, i cant use that arm to get out of bed, it takes a bit before i can use it ), but i suspect it would be a LOT worse if it wasn't for the nerve damage down there.

Showed a guy my new trick at the office Friday, he about jumped out of his chair :)

Im sure this should hurt.. but its not.  At least not any more than the normal constant pain i have in that arm. ( and the other arm, due to surgery i should never had had.  if i had only known the long term side effects of surgery would be far worse than just letting the injury go.. )

Thu May 12 2022 07:46:58 PM EDT from zelgomer

ew! that gave me the willies

lol

Thu May 12 2022 07:46:58 PM EDT from zelgomer

ew! that gave me the willies

well. that was fun.

At the office today, pushing down on something today, straight armed flat handed. not hard, just needed a flat area. The bone in my wrist on the outside ( they are a little bigger than most people anyway,  you can see them ) folded under and into my wrist.  Sort of an odd thing for me to do, so never seen that happen before.

No pain, as i bet most of the nerves are gone by now.  But its not supposed to do that.  I'm sure its due to when i shattered my radius and shoved what was left into my wrist.  ( replaced it with a chunk of titanium, up by the elbow )

Bet in another 5 or 10 years, i wont be able to use it at all. Disappointing. 

:( 

I worked for a hosted managed healthcare service provider, that was owned by a gynecologist. His office sprayed industrial cleaner on a woman's vagina because they thought it was purified water. 

The mistakes that practices make are *insane*. 

Tue Apr 12 2022 17:45:33 EDT from Nurb432

"This hairy guy here with boy parts has no ovaries, how are we supposed to do a hysterectomy on him?"

It was 'just' an orthopedic surgery center, not a general hospital, so pretty safe from those mistakes even if i was on the table and not a room.  ( actually, i have been there 3 times myself .. )

Tue Apr 12 2022 05:33:50 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

You managed to be an exception fork - and getting left in the waiting room is probably a lucky break - you're lucky you didn't end up getting an emergency hysterectomy or amputation. 

 

"This hairy guy here with boy parts has no ovaries, how are we supposed to do a hysterectomy on him?"

It was 'just' an orthopedic surgery center, not a general hospital, so pretty safe from those mistakes even if i was on the table and not a room.  ( actually, i have been there 3 times myself .. )

Tue Apr 12 2022 05:33:50 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

You managed to be an exception fork - and getting left in the waiting room is probably a lucky break - you're lucky you didn't end up getting an emergency hysterectomy or amputation. 

 

The medical industry is *so* demanding and yet so entitled at the same time - and... unfortunately tends to be run administratively by *PHYSICIANS* and other senior health care advisors who *THINK* they're God Level geniuses because they can repair the body - and therefore assume they're completely competent in things like running a business efficiently, making complex IT decisions accurately, and understanding how to offer the highest level of customer service. 

They're not unlike Linux developers. :) 

They're also a very "checklist" oriented industry - they follow procedures from the second you walk in until the second you walk out - which is why you are asked to fill out the same forms on every visit. It is just part of their "redundancy checklist policy". 

It has no exception forking - it is "This happens, this is how you respond," in a linear fashion that they believe always results in the correct solution. Almost all medical practices, groups, the entire industry,

Thu Mar 31 2022 18:56:28 EDT from Nurb432

This could fall under rant too...

 

Wife had surgery today ( quality of life stuff, not emergency going to die level ). Actually this is round 2 so we know the routine ( knees ):

• Surgery takes a little over an hour, with about 2 hour recovery time.  They take her back at 9:30 ( so pretty early .. we got there at 730 ) and im sent out to the waiting room.
• 1.5 hour they come get me and take me to the 'patient consultation room' so i can talk to the doctor after surgery and before recovery. ( normal practice, and planning to go eat during recovery like last time since we re looking at basically lunchtime for me ) 
• 1 hour goes by, no doctor..  wtf i'm thinking so i look out into the waiting room. no staff..   really?
• yet another hour goes by..   look out again, i see different people. "hey, i have been in there 2 hours. what is going on"  "um, you have been in there all that time? We dont know what is going on, we will have to find the doctor and your wife. Bring your stuff out and come sit out here in the waiting room again, and give us a few minutes"

 

Seems doctor got busy and forgot about me.  didnt tell anyone..  staff change and they didnt bother telling new shift i was there.  By the time i got to the wife, recovery was over and she was fully awake, wondering where the hell i was... 

 

Grrrr!

 

 

This could fall under rant too...

Wife had surgery today ( quality of life stuff, not emergency going to die level ). Actually this is round 2 so we know the routine ( knees ):

• Surgery takes a little over an hour, with about 2 hour recovery time.  They take her back at 9:30 ( so pretty early .. we got there at 730 ) and im sent out to the waiting room.
• 1.5 hour they come get me and take me to the 'patient consultation room' so i can talk to the doctor after surgery and before recovery. ( normal practice, and planning to go eat during recovery like last time since we re looking at basically lunchtime for me ) 
• 1 hour goes by, no doctor..  wtf i'm thinking so i look out into the waiting room. no staff..   really?
• yet another hour goes by..   look out again, i see different people. "hey, i have been in there 2 hours. what is going on"  "um, you have been in there all that time? We dont know what is going on, we will have to find the doctor and your wife. Bring your stuff out and come sit out here in the waiting room again, and give us a few minutes"

Seems doctor got busy and forgot about me.  didnt tell anyone..  staff change and they didnt bother telling new shift i was there.  By the time i got to the wife, recovery was over and she was fully awake, wondering where the hell i was... 

Grrrr!

So i guess men are no longer needed here on earth.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/mice-birthed-from-unfertilized-eggs-180979720

Bromelain for eye floaters?

So, you're Mexican. 

Sat Mar 05 2022 19:50:10 EST from Nurb432 Subject: Re: sold over the counter like bubble gum

Really, i think all that stuff should be availble with out a script. Who gave the government the right to tell me what i can and can do with my own body.  ( i know, that was somewhat rhetorical )   I'm ok with insurance not paying unless my doctor write a script, but if i want to pay cash, i should be able to buy anything i want. 

Now, if i take too much X and go out and have a wreck and hurt someone due to side effects, then ya, toss the book at me. Once i effect another person, all bets are off.

Really, i think all that stuff should be availble with out a script. Who gave the government the right to tell me what i can and can do with my own body.  ( i know, that was somewhat rhetorical )   I'm ok with insurance not paying unless my doctor write a script, but if i want to pay cash, i should be able to buy anything i want. 

Now, if i take too much X and go out and have a wreck and hurt someone due to side effects, then ya, toss the book at me. Once i effect another person, all bets are off.

I don't tolerate azythromycin (z-pack) well, so that one's off the table for me.

Actually, now that I think about it, why haven't the ONLINE CANDADIAN PHARMACY spammers switched from viagra and cialis to hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin?

For the record - Trump was President when I went to Rocky Point. :) 

I think it is pretty non-partisan to allow a certain amount of gray-market traffic between Mexico and the US. Literally, there are towns on the border that exist JUST for medicine and dentistry, and they have signs on the US side advertising and telling you where to turn. 

There are the usual warnings... "you're operating outside the protection of the US Government." 

And there are absolutely risks. But there are also a lot of benefits too. 

And they are free now. 

Saw a cardboard sign up in town "SNAP Free Phones" with an arrow.   I guess soon " SNAP Free Crack pipes" too.. 

I'm sort of mixed on the needle exchange we had a few years ago here and can see both sides. But im 100% against free crack pipes

we hide it in our crack pipes, works like a champ.

We were just down to Rocky Point. They really don't bother with regular tourists who don't fit a profile. They just want to get you back and forth - and I don't think they care if you're carrying a LITTLE contraband. 

Sun Feb 06 2022 08:36:47 EST from Nurb432 Subject: Re: sold over the counter like bubble gum

of course good luck getting them back over the border, if you are a 'honest traveler' and dont have a mule or 2 handy.

of course good luck getting them back over the border, if you are a 'honest traveler' and dont have a mule or 2 handy.

albeit a little more expensive..

lol

<Holding the lit match over the can of gasoline>

Nah... ain't worth the effort. 

I have friends and family in the medical industry.  They clearly state that hospitals are are overflowing due to lack of staffing, not number of patients. Anything else is is media spin.

Again, each has their own version of reality. 

Thu Jan 06 2022 03:46:37 PM EST from LoanShark

Perspective is literally the only thing we have here.

you keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile, in the real world, which is not to be confused with the world that exists in your "perspective", hospitals are not overflowing with vaccine-induced myocarditis. They are overflowing with coronavirus disease.


facts. you should try them sometimes. because otherwise all you have is fantasy.

Instead of arguing, we will have to agree to disagree on this one.  

Enjoy your version, i will enjoy mine. 

Wed Jan 05 2022 04:05:01 PM EST from LoanShark

Don't kid yourself.

Look in the mirror.

There's an objective truth which exists. It's your job to go find it.

The ones that dont think they are, normally are the worst.  

And look around you, that is how the world works. Facts do change. It all depends on what facts you want to believe. Don't kid yourself.

Wed Jan 05 2022 01:44:25 PM EST from LoanShark

this kind of relativism is literally dangerous. facts don't change depending on your perspective. facts just... *are*

I don't decide based on anecdote. Period. I have a more objective process for making decisions.

These days facts are like 'holes' every one has one. It all depends on what one wants to believe, as there is research and 'scientific assumption' to back it up for you. 

My facts ( including having the china **flu** myself ) point to its all a big scam by the world's leaders, for a variety of sinister goals.  I also wonder if it the research lab chosen to fund was not intentional, knowing that they were sloppy and would release it by mistake.   "see, it wasn't us, they did it"

Once there is a virus that at least exceeds current flu death rates, I might listen. Until then, its a scam and i feel bad for people who bought into it and were used, in effect.

Tue Jan 04 2022 05:59:32 PM EST from LoanShark

A lot to respond to here and I've been away for a few days and I don't have the energy.

First, my response was directed at IG, who is a friend, and most others in this thread have less standing to say anything.

So, here's the tea: is is a very firmly established fact that cardiovascular issues put a person at increased risk from the virus.
The vaccine does carry cardiovascular risks, but they are very rare (almost at the level of statistical background noise, and very hard to measure) and mostly apply to younger males, so largely not relevant to the discussion.

It is *not* an established fact that cardiovascular disease puts a person at significantly greater risk from the *vaccine*. Because the myocarditis risk is so rare.

And that's about the size of it.

hentai fan i see.

( tho being serous for a second:  Im not a fan, and that isn't why i chose an octopus when i rant about religion. it just sounded good " Magic Octopus". Rolls off the tongue. And they are really cool creatures too.

Ok ill give you the federal level that its unlikely to happen again.  Was taking it as you NO one would do it at all anywhere, and i had to disagree on that.  ( tho i wont put it past the feds to 'encourage' locals..  until facui is in prison, you still have him out there screaming his gospel from the mountain top )

but i agree, not really at the federal level, but it will happen at local level in some places. ( NYC, California, etc ).

Wed Dec 29 2021 10:48:49 AM EST from LoanShark

2021-12-28 16:39 from Nurb432
Dont put money on that..  Especially as we approach the elections.

I'm sure that, by the time the election rolls around, you'll be able to point to some local jurisdictions, at least, that are still doing some things that you find to be obnoxious - excessive mask mandates or quarantines for kids or something...

Nature should have been allowed to run its course.

Naturally immune, dont get sick.  People that get sick. a large % will become permanently immune. People that take ( *experimental* ) vaccines, a % of those get a lesser and time limited immunity. The remainder die out of the gene pool.  Its the natural order of things.

And before anyone calls me heartless:

1 - its how nature works. Man is upsetting the balance and it really needs to stop. We are breeding weak. 

2 - we are talking about a virus with a less than 1% mortality rate in the first place. It is so significant that it didnt deserve the time of day, yet we disrupted the basic fabric of society over it.  we are freaking morons.

( hell i could even bring in the magic octopus if we dont want to talk science: Your deity placed this virus on the planet to wipe out less than 1% of the weak among us, so who are you to defy his wishes? )

Dont put money on that..  Especially as we approach the elections.

Tue Dec 28 2021 10:33:57 AM EST from LoanShark

at this point, there is no more political will for any of the more draconian non-pharamceutical interventions (such as lockdowns)

5 booster shots a year required now, according to latest research. Can you imagine the money being 'redistributed'?  The entire thing has been a sham, id call it "herd stupidity" instead.

If logic does finally prevail and this hysteria dies out, they will manufacture something else.  The control/cash train will not be stopped now.

Sun Dec 26 2021 09:12:16 AM EST from IGnatius T Foobar

So ... where are we now? Seems like the pharmas are encouraging more and more boosters when they're becoming less and less effective? My sources are probably just as one-sided as everyone else's, but it seems like the latest bug is now little more than a cold or mild flu. Are we finally on the precipice of herd immunity, much to the chagrin of those who want a pandemic to continue?

interesting data.  love the final statement at the very end.  irony.

Blah.  i think i caught a cold from the dentists office this last week. Sniffles. stuffy head. 

i was hoping it was just the weather as it rained Saturday.. but no..   no rain today, still have it.

I miss midrin.

"Asians are being targeted for hate crimes!"

"GOOD! Run with that! Make sure everyone knows!" 

"But, uh, the perpetrators are almost exclusively African Americans!" 

"WHAT?!? Never mind... run something else!" 

Tue Oct 19 2021 01:26:51 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Asians may be the target of attacks in this country, but at this point

I seem to recall that the #StopAsianHate campaign dropped like a rock once people started realizing that the majority of racist words and acts targeting Asians was not coming from the White Devils everyone loves to demonize.

Figured my odds were pretty good I was going to be in the right neighborhood. Your description of her... is basically a template. 

Fri Oct 15 2021 13:35:36 EDT from LoanShark

You're not too far off the mark. I don't know who she's been dating lately, except for one fling with a (white) climber a few years ago that I was aware of. Before that she was married to a mutual friend of ours--a white rock climber--for maybe a decade. She apparently had some tensions with her Korean family, who wanted her to settle down and just start having children.

Asians may be the target of attacks in this country, but at this point they are more economically successful than whites. So if you're the type of person who believe that the *only* kind of racism is structural racism, than guess what - Asians are never the victim of racism (at the present moment in history.)

I know its a scifi book, and we dont have the tech. But i can see us ended up living like the majority of the puppeteers in from Larry Niven's books.

They all lived in windowless cubicles stacked to the sky. hardly any interaction other than walls that were video screens/cameras..

Aside from massive overpopulation, they were afraid of their own shadows. As we are slowly being trained to be.

Asians like that are... interesting. They've adopted Western Baizou Liberalism. Let me take a wild stab... 

She is single, or dates almost exclusively white or black men, if she isn't married to one. She has a strained relationship with her family. She doesn't really have a huge circle of OTHER Asian friends? 

I don't know Koreans as well as Chinese and Japanese - and their culture is markedly different in some significant ways... and then you add a dash of West-Coast vs. East Coast in there... 

 but from just what you've described - I bet I'm pretty close. 

I never trust an Asian who will admit to being "oppressed" by the "White European Male Patriarchy," or who will reduce themselves to the status of an "oppressed minority". Culturally, they're among the most racially xenophobic people in the world - They don't like *other* Asians, tolerate white people, and their opinion tends to rapidly decline on any other ethnicities after that. 


An

Although, with that said - it doesn't sound like a terrible idea. Japan has a strong, united, collectivist social *identity* as a nation and a people - a strong sense of interdependent responsibility to one another that trumps individualism. Some manifestations of that are troublesome in their society. It creates a culture very concerned about avoiding offending - to the point where it limits interaction and people are very formal and restrained with strangers in public settings. That makes it individually isolating and lonely. I met Chinese and European white people there and we had lots of discussions, and the Chinese guy liked me so much he wanted to be my friend. He was disappointed when I told him it wouldn't be safe for him. Showed him my Facebook feed, and he understood. But I didn't really get to know *one* Japanese person in the week I was there. They don't know you, they have the bare minimum of acceptable interaction with you. 

On the other hand - none of them are complaining about

Many covid positive *reported* were actually flu cases.  It dont matter, they will find ways. Right around election time if i'm right.. 

Hell, at the rate gas prices are rising, we wont be able to afford to go outside anyway. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/10/flu-season-winter-america-choice/620373/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAtlantic+%28The+Atlantic+-+Master+Feed%29

Coming soon to an authoritarian regime near you - flu-season lockdowns and extensions on limiting interaction between citizens for less important reasons than pandemic... 

That too, but there is something to be said about having control of  your own destiny. 

Besides, would you trust ANYTHING NY touches? :) 

Like most states, we want our own thing to control, not pay another for the privilege of using it.

So our local heath department is asking for a meeting with our dev team to "discuss possible options of creating a proof of covid vaccination phone application"

Super. "lets see your papers"

My dad did get attacked by a whole swarm. He was a mess. I'll tell the story sometime. It is fairly long.

Mon Sep 20 2021 11:54:14 EDT from LoanShark

Wasps are fuckers, though. 

This one time, I got stung, I knew it was probably going to happen and didn't have much choice...

Was rock climbing in the Gunks. On this route, you have to make a 5.8+ move and the easiest way to do it is to jam your whole arm into this 5" wide crack. I mean it's so much easier if you do it that way, it makes something difficult into something casual.

Of course my partner was leading and he went first and got stung. So I figured there was probably a nest in the vicinity, maybe even in the crack not too far away.


So I had to follow and sure enough I got stung too. On the bicep of the left arm that you have to jam in there.

I think it was a wasp or a hornet. Not a bee. Anyway, that sucker left a welt the size of a quarter, with a dot in the center, that looked sickly for at least a couple of weeks. It turned a pale white color and sort of collapsed inward, a bit, with a red ring around the outside boundary.

Nasty fuckers. If you got hit b

One, i should be in hospital. Entire nest, id never make it.

I grabbed one wasp once some 15 years ago. There was a nest under the steps of a pool and i got it on the way up. Thankfully it was just the one that got me and not all of them ( it was a small nest.. just a few but still... ) Hand and arm was on fire. I couldn't breathe, temp went up, lightheaded.  Instead of going i went and sat in the house. Took some benadryl. I decided if it got worse id go, but i'm sure i should have anyway. That is how people die, by being stupid.

Many many decades ago i was turning left into a parking lot, leaned forward a bit. A little sweat bee had flew in and got behind me. As i leaned back it stung as i squished it..  I thought i was going to die then.  That was when i learned im stupid allergic. 

They definitely have a "Give me a reason, fucker," attitude. 

I've killed a few hundred of them this summer... over a period of time. I had 3 friends visit and we got drunk in the pool and waged war on them all day. Filled a dixie cup full of their corpses over a 2 day period. 

We did the whole thing to a Viet Nam theme - out in the bush fighting those little black and yellow bastards... 

 ...as I said... we got drunk and killed 'em all day long, and they kept coming in waves - and by the end - things got a little Apocalypse Now. 

Sun Sep 19 2021 09:51:35 EDT from Nurb432

I think wasps enjoy stinging... 

I think wasps enjoy stinging... 

I think the thing about a bee is that it is designed to AVOID stinging. I mean, it isn't an economical trade for a bee to sting - because you get a welt and some discomfort, and it rips its intestines out. 

Wasps are fuckers, though. 

I am horribly allergic too, but i try to cut things like bees slack. They do good things and normally dont go after you.  But, its scary. 

lol

Pain sucks.

or is that a rant? :) 

Grr went to visit my mother. Get there 'We are closed for visits at this time".    They didnt bother to call anyone to tell them, normally they do..

I assume virus paranoia. Donno since we didn't get the call. 

At least it was a nice drive, 45min one way, thru what is left of the country around here.  75. Some clouds. Almost no humidity. Don't get many days like this.    Dog liked hanging her head out the window. ( and ya, the top on the jeep was down )

Every wild honeybee nest in Arizona is assumed to be Africanized. So, they all go, as soon as they set up house. 

They're dangerous. 

European Honeybees - they'll only sting you on accident or because you've seriously threatened them - on purpose or otherwise. 

African Honeybees will come looking for a fight. 

Sat Aug 28 2021 17:26:36 EDT from Nurb432

Speaking of stinging creatures. That bee nest is still in my back yard up in that tree.  They dont bother us at all, so i left it. We have a peach tree out front, lost a lot of peaches on the ground this year ( wind, squirrels, birds, whatever ) and last few days they have been munching away on the fallen fruit ( but not what is still on the tree, they are being polite ).  Not one bee in the house, not one bee being aggressive. I have even been out in the front yard working on limbs. We co-existed just fine. its weird.

As allergic as i am, for whatever reason i'm not the least bit concerned about them being here.  Now, the wasp nest in one of our evergreens.  it can die. Its going to die as i'm cutting the thing down and burning it.

Speaking of stinging creatures. That bee nest is still in my back yard up in that tree.  They dont bother us at all, so i left it. We have a peach tree out front, lost a lot of peaches on the ground this year ( wind, squirrels, birds, whatever ) and last few days they have been munching away on the fallen fruit ( but not what is still on the tree, they are being polite ).  Not one bee in the house, not one bee being aggressive. I have even been out in the front yard working on limbs. We co-existed just fine. its weird.

As allergic as i am, for whatever reason i'm not the least bit concerned about them being here.  Now, the wasp nest in one of our evergreens.  it can die. Its going to die as i'm cutting the thing down and burning it.

Heat is way different in NYC than in Arizona. I've walked a few blocks in NYC during a very hot summer, and it was miserable. 115 here is far more tolerable. 

But we've had a humid one, and my outdoors is basically a wasp metropolis during the day. Had Orkin come out here and spray two nests - but I suspect there are at least 3 remaining - and their stuff is slow acting - so it'll be a couple of days before I know if we got enough of them to cut down on it. My pool is basically a giant water reservoir for the flying, stinging bastards during the day - so you can only enjoy yourself after sunset. It literally has as much air-traffic as Sky Harbor *prior* to Covid - they're stacked up on landing approach, as 3 take off, 3 more are incoming, constantly. 

And I know they're using the water to build their fucking nests bigger, to make more wasps, to take more water. 

There should be something harmless to humans and organic you can put into your pool that they would take back

Sat Aug 28 2021 11:25:46 EDT from Nurb432

So hot. so tired of it its taking its toll on me. Yet another 100+ heat index day ahead. it was ~90 by 9:30. 

Sure, i have AC in the house, but gotta go outside to do things  ( like clean up brush from a tree trimming.. walk dogs.. feed the jeep.. )   Its like you get hit in the face and chest with a bat when you walk outside.

Wife's job takes her outside a % of the day.

 

Sooooooo much waiting for winter to come.

 

 

So hot. so tired of it its taking its toll on me. Yet another 100+ heat index day ahead. it was ~90 by 9:30. 

Sure, i have AC in the house, but gotta go outside to do things  ( like clean up brush from a tree trimming.. walk dogs.. feed the jeep.. )   Its like you get hit in the face and chest with a bat when you walk outside.

Wife's job takes her outside a % of the day.

Sooooooo much waiting for winter to come.

HAH!

Thu Aug 26 2021 12:12:15 EDT from LoanShark

2021-08-25 19:07 from ParanoidDelusions
Yeah! It isn't ME stirring up shit this time! *hugs myself*

We can schedule something for later, honey bunny :)

lol

Wed Aug 25 2021 07:07:22 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

Yeah! It isn't ME stirring up shit this time! *hugs myself*

 

Yeah! It isn't ME stirring up shit this time! *hugs myself*

https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/escape-from-ecuador

Here's someone for whom ivermectin didn't work, and who would not recommend it to others now. For the MuH bOtH sIdEs crowd.

lol gfy

No.

Why?

Because I'm a stupid evil redneck Nazi who doesn't believe in science and wants your grandma to die on a ventilator.

Now fuck off.

Choke on a barrel of cocks, and die in a fire.

Tho unrelated to the current situation,  FDA can kiss my ass.

I suffer with daily migraines. i have since i was in my early 20s.  The only thing that has helped me, and many others is ( was ) Midrin  ( and eventually learning the triggers and trying to avoid them: heat and sun ).

It was on the market for decades. ( i think upwards of 40 years ) with ZERO issues. It predates FDA rules.  Sooo what do they do a couple of years ago? "We refuse to grandfather, someone must pony up the millions to get it approved". So in effect killed it, as who is going to do that for what is now basically a generic?  I wonder who paid them off. 

Bastards. 

So just as the FDA approves a "vaccine" that would normally take seven or eight years, they warn you against taking a drug safer than aspirin which was approved long ago for human use.

Ivermectin was already getting harder to find as flu season nears. With this latest public service announcement being faithfully echoed and amplified, you can expect everything from Kareny cashiers demanding proof that you really own a horse, to state legislators and governors trying to get into the act in some fashion. If you haven't laid in a supply, my uneducated advice is to do it now. If no place local will sell it to you for cash, throw privacy to the wind and use a card of the beast to buy it online. Because it's better to have it and not need it.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

there's this guy.  he's a pathologist.  he's not happy about how they're treating covid.

The bottle that i take say D3. 

Really? 

I mean... this isn't a major problem for me - living in Phoenix. But - if I were in Ohio, that would be an absolute concern. 

Sun Aug 08 2021 19:29:10 EDT from darknetuser

2021-08-06 14:54 from Nurb432
Hard on the eyes i would imagine.  I think id prefer supplements. 

So do I.

Still, not all suplements are created equal. I have heard many so called Vitamin D supplements don't contain proper Vitamin D, but a precursor that you organism must turn into Vitamin D... and for doing that it needs sunlight anyway.

There are good suplements but maybe they cost 10 bucks more per jar than regular ones :)

But exposure to ultraviolet rays is bad for your eyes, good for your Vitamin D. 

It would be skin. 

Sun Aug 08 2021 01:34:35 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

I don't have any knowledge of the process by which Vitamin D is created in the presence of sunlight. Is it a function of skin exposure or eye exposure?

Fri Aug 06 2021 14:54:47 EDT from Nurb432

Hard on the eyes i would imagine.  I think id prefer supplements. 

Hard on the eyes i would imagine.  I think id prefer supplements. 

I saw a documentary where they discussed that in Siberia or the Ukraine the school kids would stand under ultraviolet lights to get their Vit. D during the winters. 

When i was married to my first wife, neither of us could handle the sunlight. Sun was/is evil. We were night crawlers. Slept during the day, worked/played at night.   We didnt do well with heat either.

She had almost no skin color.  I had some, but still pretty pale.  Neither were taking D back then, i'm sure not a good idea.

I have been taking Vitamin D and a Multivitamin religiously since that got recommended. Don't know if it helps or not... but... I'm sure I must have been exposed. My boss had it and I was around him when he must have been dropping it. 

Tue Aug 03 2021 20:00:26 EDT from darknetuser Subject: Re: A pharmacist's take

Something people is overlooking is that having ok vitamin and mineral levels seems to massively improve the odds on your favor. The virus is swipping through misfed people regardless of the vaccination state around here.

I take extra, since i avoid sunlight as much as possible my D is low normally.

My personal feeling is the FDA drug out ( no pun intended ) release of new drugs, presumably on the side of over-caution. However, what we did with this vax was wrong too. You need SOME time for testing.  Perhaps not a decade, but not a few weeks or months either.

HCQ appears more effective if you administer it very early. Ivermectin is effective at any phase, from preventative to critically ill. 1% injectable is cheaper than pony paste and easier to dose. Just drink it.

 HCQ, mmmmm tasty.  Don't forget the Zn (50mg)

Mon Aug 02 2021 02:10:44 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: A pharmacist's take

And which one does he trust for himself?  Hydroxychloroquine.

Anyone that fully trusts a new drug, without any real testing = a fool. There is a reason it takes time, and its not all just FDA red tape.

With that one, decades of history.. they know what it will and wont do to you.  Of course that may not stop FDA from getting in the middle of it  ( like midrin.. pricks )

Mon Aug 02 2021 02:10:44 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: A pharmacist's take

And which one does he trust for himself?  Hydroxychloroquine.

Over the weekend I had the opportunity to chat with a friend who is a licensed pharmacist.  He gave me some information on vaccine distribution.

When vaccinations first started, he had to throw away at most one dose every couple of weeks.  It is distributed in multi dose containers, and once the container is opened, it must be used in its entirety within a specific number of hours.  This was never a problem at first.

Today, he is throwing away more doses than he is distributing.  The rate of people coming in for the vaccines has slowed down significantly.

This pharmacy distributes Moderna and Johnson vaccines.  He doesn't seem to trust the Pfizer.

And which one does he trust for himself?  Hydroxychloroquine.

Yep.  All one can hope is that they honestly thought the vax was safe/good, and just refused to give Trump any credit. Still wrong, but at least not deadly on its own.

Going off the theory that If they *knew* it was deadly they knew that they woudl be killing off their own base, as they were more likely to get the shot than the other side. 

Sun Jul 18 2021 07:04:42 AM EDTfrom darknetuser Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Safety of COVID-19 Vaccinations—We Should Rethink the Policy

they waited until the end of the 2020 elections to disclose the vaccine, which hints there are partisant interests behind the whole deal.

Considering if they caught regular flu or a variety of other common infections, most likely would have died in that case too.  Since so many things could have impacted them in the same way, i hesitate to say it was 'due to covid' specifically. to me its more 'they were sick, caught something that made it worse'. I feel the underlying issue was the real problem.  To me it skews the story.

Id be ok with it if it was unique situation that only covid could 'aggravate' it and then you clearly state that was the 'cause' that pushed them over the edge..

Mon Jul 12 2021 11:42:06 AM EDT from LoanShark

and my wife. 1 person i know had to undergo treatment, recovered. One
person i know of did die, of pre-existing complications, not the
virus its self. All from personal experience. 

If you had a chronic-but-stable underlying condition that put you at a higher risk of covid death, say 10% or whatever, and you caught covid and died, it is more fair and appropriate and accurate to say that you died of covid.

I had a boss and he had a particular proclivity.  If he caught you "stretching" the truth (aka, little white lie) or spinning the narritive. you were fired on the spot. no quarter given. in his book there is no grey scale when it comes to obfuscating the truth.  im a consummate researcher, without that mindset you'll get fired in this environment. many of my colleagues are gone because of it.  so, one of the many topics of my research swerves heavily into rona.  I can tell you unequivocally, the medical institutions are now your enemy and there is a nascent medical government in place driving civil government - worldwide.  watch those two videos i posted.  listen intently to Dr Peter. he casually lays down truths that have tremendous significance.  His comments regarding our beloved major US medical institutions abandoning standards of care are horrific.  Those same institutions are spinning the truth and in many cases outright lying to you.  The medical technology space is deep and difficult to ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099271577Sat, 10 Jul 2021 00:39:29 -00002099271577@Uncensored

Oh, and im not anti-vax out of principle. I just dont think the world should be treated as a lab rat *and* nearly forced to get it

Go thru the proper testing.. Show its safe, then let people make their own decision.  

I've heard permutations of this claim. My Niece told me a positive Covid test would cancel your insurance. 

Can someone provide sauce? 

Fri Jul 09 2021 20:32:48 EDT from Nurb432 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Safety of COVID-19 Vaccinations—We Should Rethink the Policy

 I had not thought of that, but i agree that it makes sense they could. 

Fri Jul 09 2021 08:29:32 PM EDT from test2 Subject: Re: Re: Re: The Safety of COVID-19 Vaccinations—We Should Rethink the Policy

  Your insurance company is allowed to legally drop your coverage for "covid vaccine damage" because you willingly entered into an experimental research program. 

 

 I had not thought of that, but i agree that it makes sense they could. 

Fri Jul 09 2021 08:29:32 PM EDT from test2 Subject: Re: Re: Re: The Safety of COVID-19 Vaccinations—We Should Rethink the Policy

  Your insurance company is allowed to legally drop your coverage for "covid vaccine damage" because you willingly entered into an experimental research program. 

Who is "they-ing"? 

The Pro-Vaccination argument is basically that there is some sinister *someone* out there. Maybe it is the Orange Man and his minions - maybe it is the bad conservatives who enjoy that the disease disproportionately affects PoCs and the poor, maybe it is "foreign disinformation operations"... It is all shadows and boogey men. 

Which admittedly, isn't a lot different than the arguments from the Anti-Vaccination argument. 

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you here. The distrust is not the fault solely of one side or the other - but it is absolutely the fault of both sides. 

Fri Jul 09 2021 17:08:23 EDT from LoanShark

"they"

"the prevalence of foreign disinformation operations is highly statistically and substantively significant in predicting a drop in mean vaccination rates over time"

-- https://twitter.com/clairlemon/status/1412949391376191488?s=20

Dr Mccollough aint no quack.  I've researched the microbiology of the rona and Pete's summary is exactly in alignment with what I've uncovered.  I have first hand experience with the antivirals.  In my (and Pete's) opinion, its far safer to contract the rona and begin any one of 14 possible antiviral treatments, with "stacking" for high risk individuals.  Opinions contrary to this will be proven politically motivated over time. Compared to all other vaccine experience, the rona gene therapy is positively lethal.  The legal protections provided to the political and drug establishment are alarming.  Your insurance company is allowed to legally drop your coverage for "covid vaccine damage" because you willingly entered into an experimental research program.  the current "vaccine" is considered an experimental research biological treatment and you waive your downstream rights.  That is what the informed consent decree is, it tells you - you're on your own if anything goes wrong, ya, good luck with tha ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099271566Sat, 10 Jul 2021 00:22:45 -00002099271566@Uncensored

Its all about the %. .001% is not worth my time to care. Nor anyone else.

This. 100%. I was cautious in that post - because of this. 

"Retracted" doesn't mean anything, anymore. Neither does "Proven". 

Fri Jul 09 2021 16:58:29 EDT from Nurb432 Subject: Re: The Safety of COVID-19 Vaccinations—We Should Rethink the Policy

we will never know the truth. If it went great, we wont believe the numbers since they lie to us all the freaking time. If it went bad they will hide the numbers. 

 

Either way, results are the same. Cant trust it.

Hmm, wonder what some doctors who are treating covid might have to say.... 

here is an interview for ya.  Ya I know its long but splurge a little..

Fri Jul 09 2021 04:58:29 PM EDT from Nurb432 Subject: Re: The Safety of COVID-19 Vaccinations—We Should Rethink the Policy

we will never know the truth. If it went great, we wont believe the numbers since they lie to us all the freaking time. If it went bad they will hide the numbers. 

 

Either way, results are the same. Cant trust it.

Part 1

Part 2

I dont happen to think we are.  Well not a real one, its a manufactured one.  The 'known' % death rate ( yes i know, cant trust all numbers, but with it so contradictory to the narrative, i tend to believe they are true ) is so low that i dont consider it a crisis.  There are far bigger risks out there and they are ignored.

I have also known several people who have had it, including myself and my wife. 1 person i know had to undergo treatment, recovered. One person i know of did die, of pre-existing complications, not the virus its self. All from personal experience. 

Fri Jul 09 2021 06:32:49 PM EDT from LoanShark

 we're in the middle of a crisis,

May just be me, but i see making a decision not to do something due to lack of evidence is a better choice than doing it.

Partial evidence, taken out of context, is often worse than none at all. It gives you a false perception, and judgments made off them are questionable at best.

we will never know the truth. If it went great, we wont believe the numbers since they lie to us all the freaking time. If it went bad they will hide the numbers. 

Either way, results are the same. Cant trust it.

Not sure i mentioned it the other day, but ended up with a infected toe, that got into my kidneys. (Staph) never a good thing. People die from that. 2 weeks of antibiotics, no death, and its all better now :) 

Short version is due to toenails, which i gave up on doctors 30+ years ago and do it myself now. But since i have little feeling left from all the surgeries and DYI efforts, ( and too high of a pain tolerance ) i missed this one and it got away from me. My GP asked me to go to a foot doctor " perhaps there is something new they can do for you now" 

Went in today, and aside from shocking the doctor " what, how are you able to do that on your own, doesn't it hurt ? " or even " ya, my GP fished it out" "what, he didnt numb it first??"  "nah, no need"...      No new treatments other than the same old thing. "if you ever want to come in and we can try it again and see... " So wasted some sick time from work. Bleh. But it is a nice day out, so wasn't a bad drive.  ( top went down on the jeep )

Fun times :) 

And, now, an opposing viewpoint: 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/brand-new-tube/

But, who cares if they're a tin foil hat site, the last news clip was compelling. Even the Enquirer can get it right one time out of a thousand. 

This is interesting. 

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/more-more-more-and-even-more-vax-injuries_t7W9A8RBxQTDtRc.html

It seems cruel to us. 

Maybe it is a very pleasant world, even a MORE pleasant world, that she perceives as her reality than we do in our clear and lucid one. 

Mon Jul 05 2021 16:56:46 EDT from Nurb432

Visited mother today. Shes in a assisted care type of facility ( long story, she went in for rehab after getting knee surgery but just wont do what is needed to get out ).  ( reason i had to get the f-ing shots, they were banning people from visiting unless you had them )

On the way out, woman in a hallway asked to pet my dog. ( wheel chair bound, most of them in there are ) We went over, she introduced her stuffed animal to my dog. As we left she was talking to it "wasn't that a sweet dog".  I hate to see people like that. Nature can be cruel.

Visited mother today. Shes in a assisted care type of facility ( long story, she went in for rehab after getting knee surgery but just wont do what is needed to get out ).  ( reason i had to get the f-ing shots, they were banning people from visiting unless you had them )

On the way out, woman in a hallway asked to pet my dog. ( wheel chair bound, most of them in there are ) We went over, she introduced her stuffed animal to my dog. As we left she was talking to it "wasn't that a sweet dog".  I hate to see people like that. Nature can be cruel.

Maybe I'm trying to find what I see as the sane center position--or maybe I'm just a contrarian.

Or maybe you're just capable of thinking for yourself.   Even if you don't land on the same conclusions as everyone else, that's still laudable.  (Or problematic to some.)

I wonder if the virus really came out in April 2019.  And Thanos was real..  Just not overly competent. 

I think the right answer was reduced contact, for people most at risk, and the rest of us, just dont lick each others eyeballs and use common sense. Those that get sick, most will recover and have real antibodies. Many will never get sick.

That small % that didnt survive, well, its called evolution.  Never pleasant, but its nature, and she can be cruel. 

The problem may be that instead of buying ourselves some time to develop a lifetime immunization with the vaccine - we went, "Good enough, open back up, we'll just give boosters every 6 months to a year, and Covid will be a cash-cow for the pharmaceuticals." 

Covid-19 is something we have to remove as a threat vector - completely or as near completely as other vaccinations that give basically lifetime immunity from disease or infection. 


I've been saying for a while, I think we're effed. I mean... I suppose one could argue that all of the diseases and infections we currently get, wear you down over a lifetime until eventually you die of complications resulting from reoccurring infections of the common cold or flu. That the culmination of repeated common, mild sicknesses eventually cause culminative degradation of health until one of them *gets* you - or parts start failing. 


But Covid-19 seems kind of like the meth of infectious disease. It accelerates the t

Oh, i'm good with logical measures for when something makes sense. "common sense" should prevail everyday.  Just here lately its not made much sense.  So much of what we have seen lately has been either hysteria feeding on panic, or manipulation based on politics. ( or both )

Wed Jun 30 2021 01:40:10 PM EDT from LoanShark

2021-06-29 19:47 from Nurb432
LoL

Yeah, sometime in 2025, if the perma-lockdown crowd gets their way, right?

Here's the thing. Here, on Uncensored, I tend to argue in favor of public-health measures (when and where I think they're appropriate.)

On Facebook, all my friends are pretty liberal, because of where I'm from and what my activities are and who I can tolerate following. There, I tend to argue for "look, the risks aren't as bad as THAT."

Maybe I'm trying to find what I see as the sane center position--or maybe I'm just a contrarian.

LoL

Tue Jun 29 2021 07:10:42 PM EDT from LoanShark

Things have got to get back to normal at some point, 

I guess LA just re-instituted mask mandate, even for vaxed people.  "the new strain.. cower in fear you peasants! "  and in the same headline "CDC is "rethinking prevention measures, even for the vaccinated"  

Here we go again, i figured by fall we would be all banished to our homes again. About on track. 

I think the thing this study probably misses is - 

Are the people who are most likely to experience fatal or severe complications from the vaccinations - generally the same people more likely to experience fatal or severe complications from the illness? 

I bet there is a strong correlation. 

Sat Jun 26 2021 13:14:39 EDT from Nurb432

I'm sure it reduced my lifespan by a measurable amount when i was basically blackmailed into it. Perhaps that was part of the plan. Who knows. 

I'm sure it reduced my lifespan by a measurable amount when i was basically blackmailed into it. Perhaps that was part of the plan. Who knows. 

"Currently, our estimates show that we have to accept four fatal and 16 serious side effects per 100,000 vaccinations in order to save the lives of 2–11 individuals per 100,000 vaccinations, placing risks and benefits on the same order of magnitude."

I am neither an Anti-Masker or an Anti-Vaxxer... 

But this report is troubling and the numbers seem credible: 

The Safety of COVID-19 Vaccinations—We Should Rethink the Policy

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm

That sucks. Sorry. 

Tue Jun 22 2021 16:22:16 EDT from Nurb432

Yay. Infected toe ( due to having stupid toenails ). Staph. Got to my kidneys or bladder. 

Fun times. 

Yay. Infected toe ( due to having stupid toenails ). Staph. Got to my kidneys or bladder. 

Fun times. 

Any better yet?

I know how she feels.  For what its worth you can tell her you know someone who did come out the other side ok.  

Thu May 27 2021 05:14:14 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

My wife got her second shot and it totally flattened her.  Two sick days and counting.

My wife got her second shot and it totally flattened her.  Two sick days and counting.

I felt an energy ebb after my shot. But it is consistent with an energy ebb I've been having since I hit my late 40s... so, I just chalked it up to that. Maybe it was a side effect - but it wasn't worse than anything else life is throwing at me in old age. 

Mon May 24 2021 18:57:15 EDT from Nurb432

All weekend for me. Sunday was worse, marginally.  Today im 'ok' but really out of energy. 

Mon May 24 2021 05:06:52 PM EDT from LoanShark

It wasn't horrible or anything, and it passed after about 3 hours, but it was distracting enough to my mental focus that I went and lied down for a bit.

 

It seems like most colleges were requiring mandatory vaccinations prior to Covid-19. My daughter, most of her friends, most of our friends children who are entering college, all required immunization records prior to enrollment. 

Maybe you're just so old... ;) 

But seriously - logically it makes sense - Academia is just another indoctrination tool of the Authoritarian CTRL-Left. 

Mon May 24 2021 14:36:33 EDT from Nurb432

Yes, but we were talking colleges :) 

I know i did not have to cough up ( no pun intended ) anything when i went to college. Other than cash. Lots of cash.

Mon May 24 2021 02:09:06 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

You have to provide vaccination records to get your kid into primary and secondary school.

 

I think i have heard the name, but no details.  Cliff notes version?

Mon May 24 2021 05:15:06 PM EDT from LoanShark

I haven't been paying much attention to the Rebekah Jones saga, one way or the other, until recently.

Turns out she's a total fraud...

https://humanevents.com/2021/02/02/the-florida-covid-19-whistleblower-saga-is-a-big-lie/

https://twitter.com/KassandraSeven/status/1395595791016906761

All weekend for me. Sunday was worse, marginally.  Today im 'ok' but really out of energy. 

Mon May 24 2021 05:06:52 PM EDT from LoanShark

It wasn't horrible or anything, and it passed after about 3 hours, but it was distracting enough to my mental focus that I went and lied down for a bit.

Yes, but we were talking colleges :) 

I know i did not have to cough up ( no pun intended ) anything when i went to college. Other than cash. Lots of cash.

Mon May 24 2021 02:09:06 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

You have to provide vaccination records to get your kid into primary and secondary school.

 

You have to provide vaccination records to get your kid into primary and secondary school.

Flu shots are generally highly encouraged, provided free, and tend to be "recognized" - kind of like blood drives - with "virtue awards" to encourage participation. 

I get the point you're trying to make - but that is the way of split hairs and subjective reasoning on the severity or lack thereof of the virus. 

Both sides are going to do that shit. I mean - if you're affected by the decision, and you're uncertain of the vaccine - you have the agency to refuse the virus and take a gap year, find online courses, choose other alternatives. 

 

Mon May 24 2021 07:24:20 EDT from Nurb432

Not that i have heard of. And definitely not for the flu.  

And at least if they do, its approved medications.   this covid stuff is still experimental and only reason we are getting it is due emergency decree.

Sun May 23 2021 09:27:05 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

We do know that colleges have required mandatory vaccination for... like, decades, right? 

 

 

Not that i have heard of. And definitely not for the flu.  

And at least if they do, its approved medications.   this covid stuff is still experimental and only reason we are getting it is due emergency decree.

Sun May 23 2021 09:27:05 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

We do know that colleges have required mandatory vaccination for... like, decades, right? 

 

We do know that colleges have required mandatory vaccination for... like, decades, right? 

Bleh. Fever today. Feel like poo. Been in bed all afternoon.

Arm isn't bad tho, a little bit sore at the spot of injection but that is about it.. So i guess its a trade-off. 

Next: "you dont have the tracking chip implanted, you cant come here" "its for your safety of course"

Sat May 22 2021 07:39:05 AM EDT from zooer

Many colleges are implimenting this rule.

Many colleges are implimenting this rule.

Local college mandating shots this fall for all students, faculty, staff. Basically everyone on campus.

Shot number 2.   Whats with the rainbows this time?  And the bats.. all these bats.   i... am.... batman

( actually i feel a bit 'off' this time.. hard to explain )

Yep. Dogs have cushion beds now.  Not worth me buying something for me that i use a couple of times every 5 years.. 

Thu May 20 2021 09:39:54 AM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

I think the cushion was for Nurb, though. :) 

Might be worth going and getting something like a pool floaty - basically a smaller, thinner air cushion sounds better than the floor. 

 

I think the cushion was for Nurb, though. :) 

Might be worth going and getting something like a pool floaty - basically a smaller, thinner air cushion sounds better than the floor. 

Thu May 20 2021 07:33:27 EDT from darknetuser

2021-05-20 06:58 from Nurb432
 I thought about the air mattress we have, but it wont fit in the
computer room easily ( long story of why we had to do it there, dogs
dont get along, cats roam at night which she gets testy with. bla bla
). Plus always the chance she gets on it and punches a hole in it.

We have a cushion-like matress made of some plastic component. It is an extremely soft cushiony thingy. The dogs love it. We got it for a sick dog back in the day and it was worth around 120 bucks. Totally worth it. Bonus points because it is not an inflatable, so they can't pierce it rhough and ruin it.

 I thought about the air mattress we have, but it wont fit in the computer room easily ( long story of why we had to do it there, dogs dont get along, cats roam at night which she gets testy with. bla bla ). Plus always the chance she gets on it and punches a hole in it.

Rough night tho, i'm beat. Floor is hard.  May have her sleep in her kennel tonight, or i'm going to try the couch and let her stay in the living room. ( but, run into cat problems that way ).  

My other dog is really confused, normally she sleeps with me. has for almost a decade. 

I had a dog like that - my wife was frequently jealous of her. I mean, she was a good sport about it - but she thought me and the dog were way too smitten with one another. :) 

Same thing, when she was yelping in the vets, I could tell it was her. Recognized her "voice". The couple of times she was sick, I got an air mattress and slept down on the floor by her side. 

Sorry this happened to your dog. I get it. 

Wed May 19 2021 19:55:46 EDT from Nurb432

She has been sick since Friday. Fever, no interest in food, very subdued, but still getting around. Just could tell she didnt feel well.  

Finally got into the vet today ( they are soooo busy for non-emergency its not funny ). We expected some sort of bug she caught at day care, but she also had what we all thought was a simple 'hot spot'.   Vet wanted to shave the small area that she had been chewing on to help it heal as it was matted, just to find this instead. . major skin infection, which is what was making her sick in the first place.

had to sedate her to shave it. i could hear her yelping down the hallway when they first tried, thinking it was minor :(     Dont like that sound, from any animal but especially when you know its yours.  I dont know how i could tell, but i knew.  Just like her fever. i could not tell you how, but i knew she had one, and that this was not just a typical dog upset stomach Friday.. 

Guess im sleeping on the floor with her tonight.  Hope i can still move in the morning :)

 

 

She has been sick since Friday. Fever, no interest in food, very subdued, but still getting around. Just could tell she didnt feel well.  

Finally got into the vet today ( they are soooo busy for non-emergency its not funny ). We expected some sort of bug she caught at day care, but she also had what we all thought was a simple 'hot spot'.   Vet wanted to shave the small area that she had been chewing on to help it heal as it was matted, just to find this instead. . major skin infection, which is what was making her sick in the first place.

had to sedate her to shave it. i could hear her yelping down the hallway when they first tried, thinking it was minor :(     Dont like that sound, from any animal but especially when you know its yours.  I dont know how i could tell, but i knew.  Just like her fever. i could not tell you how, but i knew she had one, and that this was not just a typical dog upset stomach Friday.. 

Guess im sleeping on the floor with her tonight.  Hope i can still move in the morning :)

Poor pup! What happened to him/her? 

Wed May 19 2021 13:15:18 EDT from Nurb432

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I took antibiotics before dental procedures from about 1987 until just a couple of years ago. My dentist said it was no longer recommended - the risk of developing allergies or antibiotic resistant infections was greater than the risk from my heart condition. 

Then an ultrasound determined that my diagnosed condition was bad. I don't have the heart condition they thought I did. I've got an irregular heartbeat - but it is back to just being an undiagnosed "heart murmur. No longer Mitral Valve Prolapse. 

 

Sun May 16 2021 10:32:25 EDT from Nurb432

I just bitched about it and was careful with what i did with that arm.  :)        Its a good thing i did my right, as would be hard to walk dogs. ( but i NEVER get shots in my left arm now, risk of infection and dying after the artificial parts were installed. Hell even if i just get teeth cleaned, they have me take antibiotics now.

But as bad as it hurt, i could see others wanting to. 

Sun May 16 2021 10:00:56 AM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

Honestly... I'm puzzled that so many people experienced side effects significant that they sought some sort of relief. 
 
It was just like any other vaccination to me. I've had flu shots that caused worse side effects, for sure.  

 

 

 

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I just bitched about it and was careful with what i did with that arm.  :)        Its a good thing i did my right, as would be hard to walk dogs. ( but i NEVER get shots in my left arm now, risk of infection and dying after the artificial parts were installed. Hell even if i just get teeth cleaned, they have me take antibiotics now.

But as bad as it hurt, i could see others wanting to. 

Sun May 16 2021 10:00:56 AM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

Honestly... I'm puzzled that so many people experienced side effects significant that they sought some sort of relief. 
 
It was just like any other vaccination to me. I've had flu shots that caused worse side effects, for sure.  

 

 

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Honestly... I'm puzzled that so many people experienced side effects significant that they sought some sort of relief. 
 
It was just like any other vaccination to me. I've had flu shots that caused worse side effects, for sure.  

 

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Well, i did have it back in Jan of 2020. 

I would say that overall the experience of being sick was worse. I felt like poo for 2 weeks. At least with the arm, as long as i didnt try to move it ( especially upwards ), or lay on it at night, it was just *really* sore.  ( in reality its hard to go about daily life that way so it hurt often..   hurt a lot )

But i was mobile and getting stuff done, when i was sick last year, i just wanted to lay in bed.

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It would be interesting if we could correlate side-effects from the vaccine with likelihood of severity of the actual infection. 

Because everyone I know complained about headaches and fatigue and arm aches to various degrees, including my daughter. 

I was virtually asymptomatic to the injections. 

 

Wed May 12 2021 06:27:23 EDT from Nurb432

For me, tiredness and pain, including daily headaches, are normal parts of my life.  It might have made them worse but i didnt notice.  It was all the arm pain that i was noticing. All in the muscle they shoved it into. 

 

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For me, tiredness and pain, including daily headaches, are normal parts of my life.  It might have made them worse but i didnt notice.  It was all the arm pain that i was noticing. All in the muscle they shoved it into. 

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These damned gills on my neck are sore today. 

Headache too, worse than normal.

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My coworker went home early sore and tried from the 2nd Moderna shot. 

I'm the only one I know who didn't have ANY notable side effects from the vaccine. My wife and kid both had aches - my wife's were pretty mild... 

I might have had some energy issues. 

 

Thu May 06 2021 09:01:51 EDT from zooer

 

Tue May 04 2021 10:22:51 AM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

Yup. If they wouldn't have frozen their dicks off, I bet the first men on the moon would have pissed their names on its surface. 

 

 

Wouldn't the urine have evaporated before it hit the surface?  You are correct, they would have if they could have. 

 

I had my second Pfizer vaccine yesterday after noon about 3pm, my arm was sore in the evening and is still sore this morning. 

 

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Tue May 04 2021 10:22:51 AM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

Yup. If they wouldn't have frozen their dicks off, I bet the first men on the moon would have pissed their names on its surface. 

 

 

Wouldn't the urine have evaporated before it hit the surface?  You are correct, they would have if they could have. 

 

I had my second Pfizer vaccine yesterday after noon about 3pm, my arm was sore in the evening and is still sore this morning. 

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Yup. If they wouldn't have frozen their dicks off, I bet the first men on the moon would have pissed their names on its surface. 

 

Tue May 04 2021 09:47:25 EDT from Nurb432

Well, to be fair, so does my dog.

:)

Mon May 03 2021 10:56:15 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

The first thing mankind does when he enters a virgin, pristine environment... 

Is piss in it. 

 

 

 

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😜

Tue May 04 2021 09:03:22 EDT from LoanShark

I just was pointing out that your statement, as worded, was entirely
arguable. ;) 

Moooo. Here we go again. *snicker*

 

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Well, to be fair, so does my dog.

:)

Mon May 03 2021 10:56:15 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

The first thing mankind does when he enters a virgin, pristine environment... 

Is piss in it. 

 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099263446Tue, 04 May 2021 13:03:22 -00002099263446@UncensoredI just was pointing out that your statement, as worded, was entirely >arguable. ;)  Moooo. Here we go again. *snicker* ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099263399Tue, 04 May 2021 02:56:15 -00002099263399@Uncensored

The first thing mankind does when he enters a virgin, pristine environment... 

Is piss in it. 

 

Mon May 03 2021 21:58:15 EDT from zooer

When the astronauts discharged the urine from the capsule it instantly froze.  There are small chucks of urine in orbit, Micheal Collins and Neil Armstrong live on.  

 

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When the astronauts discharged the urine from the capsule it instantly froze.  There are small chucks of urine in orbit, Micheal Collins and Neil Armstrong live on.  

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Hey... I didn't say I was one OF those people. 

I just was pointing out that your statement, as worded, was entirely arguable. ;) 

 

Mon May 03 2021 19:11:50 EDT from LoanShark

2021-05-03 18:53 from ParanoidDelusions
I'm almost entirely sure this statement is 100% false.

Enjoy your cowshit, Devin ;)

 

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Heh. Just dont freeze it off up there.  Space is cold. Really cold.

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I doubt pee would make it thru re-entry. 

 

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Since its medical..   wife may go home tomorrow. unsure yet but a good chance.

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Not in the mainstream perhaps, but im sure people want to knock us back that far.  Most of those are also pushing the 'great reset' where we get to live like that again, but they dont.

Mon May 03 2021 05:42:04 PM EDT from LoanShark

Thing is, nobody is arguing that we should go back to drinking muddy water from a well in the village green surrounded by a pile of cowshit.

 

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I'm almost entirely sure this statement is 100% false.
 

Mon May 03 2021 17:42:04 EDT from LoanShark

Thing is, nobody is arguing that we should go back to drinking muddy water from a well in the village green surrounded by a pile of cowshit.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099263360Mon, 03 May 2021 21:42:04 -00002099263360@UncensoredA virus that is too deadly and too effective tends to burn itself >out. A mild one isn't really a major problem if it hangs around. >Nature tends to balance things like this.  I saw some interesting stuff come over the wire about the Salk polio vaccine. TL;DR: Polio didn't become a major issue in the United States until we had widespread sanitary drinking water systems. Before then, people were constantly exposed to polio through unsanitary water, and widespread immunity was a given. Of course people still got sick with tragic consequences, but it wasn't as frequent. Thing is, nobody is arguing that we should go back to drinking muddy water from a well in the village green surrounded by a pile of cowshit. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099263218Mon, 03 May 2021 01:39:40 -00002099263218@Uncensored

Pfizer is supposed to be the safest one. It is what we all got. My wife had some muscle soreness in her arm - but nothing quite like what you describe. 

 

Sun May 02 2021 19:12:25 EDT from Nurb432

I had to go find my "American Freedom Passport" to find out.  I guess it says Pfizer 

Its fine now, mowed grass and got the top down/up on the jeep without issue.  ( other than weather dude was wrong and it decided to rain this afternoon, not tomorow. )

 

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I had to go find my "American Freedom Passport" to find out.  I guess it says Pfizer 

Its fine now, mowed grass and got the top down/up on the jeep without issue.  ( other than weather dude was wrong and it decided to rain this afternoon, not tomorow. )

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Damn. Glad I managed to dodge all the side effects. Did you get Moderna or Pfizer? 

 

Sat May 01 2021 15:35:35 EDT from Nurb432

 

It is just sore 'sitting' there but if i use the muscle in the upper arm ( like to lift the arm up ) it *really* hurts.  Im used to pain, all the time, after i broke my other arm in 1/2. 

 

But that said, around 1530, its improved and i could mow grass. ( if i didnt have to run back to hospital soon )

 

Sat May 01 2021 11:58:53 AM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

When people say their arms hurt - I get the impression they meant it REALLY hurt. 

I

 

 

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It is just sore 'sitting' there but if i use the muscle in the upper arm ( like to lift the arm up ) it *really* hurts.  Im used to pain, all the time, after i broke my other arm in 1/2. 

 

But that said, around 1530, its improved and i could mow grass. ( if i didnt have to run back to hospital soon )

 

Sat May 01 2021 11:58:53 AM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

When people say their arms hurt - I get the impression they meant it REALLY hurt. 

I

 

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When people say their arms hurt - I get the impression they meant it REALLY hurt. 

I've had kind of a charlie horse after a flu shot, in the past... but never anything *debilitating*. 

So I wonder, if people are just pussies, or if this side-effect is REALLY painful. My 2nd dose, I had a mild ache for a day that wasn't nearly as bad as some flu shots I've had. 

And I've been exhausted more often - a very consuming, total exhaustion... but it is hard to say if that is a side effect, or just my lifestyle and the way I abuse myself. If I were eating right, exercising right, not smoking or drinking, getting to bed, taking plenty of water, and younger and I was this exhausted after the shot, I'd go... "It is the shot..." 

But at 51, the exhaustion just feels like the side effect of driving my body like I stole it since I was 13. 

 

 

Sat May 01 2021 10:38:59 EDT from zooer

 

Sat May 01 2021 10:29:19 AM EDT from Nurb432

so when does my arm stop hurting?  i need to mow the lawn this weekend. 

Monday.

 

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lol

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Sat May 01 2021 10:29:19 AM EDT from Nurb432

so when does my arm stop hurting?  i need to mow the lawn this weekend. 

Monday.

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In the past, what you would bet on is that eventually the novel corona virus or other virus pandemic would simply disappear. That is what has happened to every other one so far. The Spanish Flu, SARS... 

A virus that is too deadly and too effective tends to burn itself out. A mild one isn't really a major problem if it hangs around. Nature tends to balance things like this. 

I find that another proof of intelligent design - BTW. Gore predicted the total absence of arctic ice by 2015. Instead, 2015 saw the largest extent of arctic ice in history, trapping a Russian icebreaker for 3 months, with nothing able to get to it to free it. Turns out that melting ice sheets lowered the salinity in the arctic ocean, making the freezing point higher - the system is designed to accommodate for melting ice by making MORE ice. All the models missed it. 

But anyhow - viruses tend to do the same kind of thing. The fact that this one *isn't* doing those things, and is so perfectly balanc

 

Sat May 01 2021 10:19:57 EDT from Nurb432

Possible? I would bet on it.  Nature evolves.  Viruses are nature.

 

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so when does my arm stop hurting?  i need to mow the lawn this weekend. 

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I tried uploading the Walgreen's provided information on Pfizer and Moderna vaccines but I don't have permission to upload.

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I had my first Pfizer dose on the 14th of April. My arm was sore that evening, and mildly so the next morning. I had a scratchy throat the next day and a little runny nose.

Today I have a runny nose, I don't know if that will prevent me from getting a second dose on Wednesday.

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Possible? I would bet on it.  Nature evolves.  Viruses are nature.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099262954Sat, 01 May 2021 14:10:32 -00002099262954@UncensoredBut that it won't be effective - or a worse strain will come along, >and it will make me MORE susceptible or the effects more severe.  Like the seasonal flu? If the virus mutates, that's a possible outcome -- it turns from "pandemic" to "endemic". Not really something we want to see, but it's possible. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099262898Sat, 01 May 2021 04:20:51 -00002099262898@Uncensored

I dunno... I got the second shot, and my penis started insisting it be referred to it as "Mjölnir". 

Fri Apr 30 2021 20:44:26 EDT from Nurb432

Well i got it. I guess it went ok, other than these voices in my head "buy Microsoft, bill gates is god, red meat is bad, hail hydra!"

 

Woman who gave it to me " it might hurt a little, ill try to be gentle and no, it wont give you any super powers "  " wait, i dont get to be like Steve Rodgers? i'm outta here"

 

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Well i got it. I guess it went ok, other than these voices in my head "buy Microsoft, bill gates is god, red meat is bad, hail hydra!"

 

Woman who gave it to me " it might hurt a little, ill try to be gentle and no, it wont give you any super powers "  " wait, i dont get to be like Steve Rodgers? i'm outta here"

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43% here have had at least one dose. 27% are fully vaccinated. 

My main concerns are not that it is going to turn me into a zombie... 

But that it won't be effective - or a worse strain will come along, and it will make me MORE susceptible or the effects more severe. 

Those seem like the most likely worst case scenarios. 

 

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a little over half the population of Israel has been vaccinated now. 

I'm feeling pretty good about the lack of corona... People have stopped dying.

My parents, siblings, and I have all had 2 doses of Pfizer, as have many of my nieces and nephews.

I did get a period after nearly a year without... I can deal.

 

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That has been my thought. If the vaccine kills off all the people in agreement with the powerful elites... 

Doesn't that leave the powerful elites without any of their support, alone with all the people who want to see the heads of the powerful elites on top of poles? 

Seems like a truly shitty Mastermind Villain plot. 

 

Fri Apr 30 2021 06:47:02 EDT from zooer Subject: Re: vaccine conspiracy

 

GERMAN MICROBIOLOGIST: "THEY ARE KILLING PEOPLE WITH COVID VACCINES" TO REDUCE WORLD'S POPULATION

 But that would mean the anti-vaxxers are the people "they" want to survive.

 

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Don't worry, if you are asking these questions, yo wont be. You are not part of the survival group.

Thu Apr 29 2021 11:46:51 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

If the world is turning into a science fiction society apocalypse movie - I'm not sure I want to be one of the ones who SURVIVES the great thinning. 

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As more mandates and 'dis-incentives' come down, there wont be many left.

Fri Apr 30 2021 06:47:02 AM EDT from zooer Subject: Re: vaccine conspiracy

 

GERMAN MICROBIOLOGIST: "THEY ARE KILLING PEOPLE WITH COVID VACCINES" TO REDUCE WORLD'S POPULATION

 But that would mean the anti-vaxxers are the people "they" want to survive.

 

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GERMAN MICROBIOLOGIST: "THEY ARE KILLING PEOPLE WITH COVID VACCINES" TO REDUCE WORLD'S POPULATION

 But that would mean the anti-vaxxers are the people "they" want to survive.

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If the world is turning into a science fiction society apocalypse movie - I'm not sure I want to be one of the ones who SURVIVES the great thinning. 

It'll happen - if that is what the vaccine is about. It is inevitable. And for the remaining - it'll be worse than for those who die. 

 

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i know people.  your speculation is founded in the microbiology.

 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/y5PjTkRMeLxO/

 

GERMAN MICROBIOLOGIST: "THEY ARE KILLING PEOPLE WITH COVID VACCINES" TO REDUCE WORLD'S POPULATION

Thu Apr 29 2021 04:35:47 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

Yeah, but I've been saying since the start... 

It may turn out that everybody who had asymptomatic infection starts dropping dead of strokes and blood clots in the next 3 years - and we realize that getting it WITH symptoms was actually the best thing to happen. 


Vaping is thought to be harm reduction - but 20 years from now, we might know that you were better off shooting heroin. 


That is how life works.  

 

 

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Yeah, but I've been saying since the start... 

It may turn out that everybody who had asymptomatic infection starts dropping dead of strokes and blood clots in the next 3 years - and we realize that getting it WITH symptoms was actually the best thing to happen. 


Vaping is thought to be harm reduction - but 20 years from now, we might know that you were better off shooting heroin. 


That is how life works.  

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May take a few years to really know. Unfortunately.  But that is why normally it takes a while to bring new drugs to the market..

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So far, no adverse results for my wife, my daughter, or I. 

 

Thu Apr 29 2021 12:10:33 EDT from Nurb432

Well i dont want to, but since i'm effectively banned from seeing my mother without it.    They are having walk-ins at the clinic we have in our office tomorrow. i guess ill go get the f-ing shot.

 

If i suddenly die over the weekend and vanish, you all know why.

 

 

 

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Well i dont want to, but since i'm effectively banned from seeing my mother without it.    They are having walk-ins at the clinic we have in our office tomorrow. i guess ill go get the f-ing shot.

 

If i suddenly die over the weekend and vanish, you all know why.

 

 

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Yes, hardcoding is bad. Better to use database tables when you can.

Oh wait, wrong story.... 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099262149Tue, 27 Apr 2021 14:42:15 -00002099262149@Uncensored And I know y'all are joking, but I feel like there's some hardcode >antivaxers out there who are NOT joking in their suspicion of what They shouldn't have hardcoded anything. That's why we're starting to hear noise about people eventually needing booster shots -- they will eventually have to upgrade the firmware on the nanites. :) ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099261667Sat, 24 Apr 2021 15:20:31 -00002099261667@Uncensored

With the death rate so low, i bet millions.

I suspect in reality we had that elusive' herd immunity' before the virus had a name.

Tue Apr 20 2021 13:36:47 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

This is part of the problem. We're operating on so many unknowns. How many people DID have it and didn't even ever know? In any case, in a test group, in the post-vaccine study, or in the general population. 

And of course, any time we have a strange bug now that isn't enough to warrant going to the GP - we *assume* - "this is PROBABLY Covid." But if every time I felt a little under the weather I went in for a Covid test, I'd probably develop nasal cancer from shoving so many q-tips into my brain. 

 

 

 

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This is part of the problem. We're operating on so many unknowns. How many people DID have it and didn't even ever know? In any case, in a test group, in the post-vaccine study, or in the general population. 

And of course, any time we have a strange bug now that isn't enough to warrant going to the GP - we *assume* - "this is PROBABLY Covid." But if every time I felt a little under the weather I went in for a Covid test, I'd probably develop nasal cancer from shoving so many q-tips into my brain. 

 

Tue Apr 20 2021 11:28:14 EDT from Nurb432

That was part of what i had when i 'know' i had it January of last year.

It was like a flu, but no fever and didnt want to toss my guts out.  pretty sore and feeling like poo, but not 'normal' flu.  2 weeks and i was over it so it wasn't a cold.

I also had my kidneys just shut down due to a stone, and had been in hospital for tests several times the week prior.   But now that i look back, i dont think it was the stone, as it did go thru soon afterward, normally when it gets that stuck, its surgery..   and kidneys shutting down turns out to be a sign of the infection too..  I'm sure i caught it from being with all those sick people getting tests run.

As soon as that happened and they turned back on is when i felt terrible.   sooo 2+2 most likely does = 4.  

Also had several couple people at the office drop out at the same time with a 'strange flu'. (  i was going in to work, just on a lot of pain killers for a week or so ) so could have got it from there, or i brought it in. Hard to tell.

Tue Apr 20 2021 11:06:50 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

I said, having woke up with a bit of a sore throat and a general sense of being under the weather, with chills but no fever. 

 

 

 

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That was part of what i had when i 'know' i had it January of last year.

It was like a flu, but no fever and didnt want to toss my guts out.  pretty sore and feeling like poo, but not 'normal' flu.  2 weeks and i was over it so it wasn't a cold.

I also had my kidneys just shut down due to a stone, and had been in hospital for tests several times the week prior.   But now that i look back, i dont think it was the stone, as it did go thru soon afterward, normally when it gets that stuck, its surgery..   and kidneys shutting down turns out to be a sign of the infection too..  I'm sure i caught it from being with all those sick people getting tests run.

As soon as that happened and they turned back on is when i felt terrible.   sooo 2+2 most likely does = 4.  

Also had several couple people at the office drop out at the same time with a 'strange flu'. (  i was going in to work, just on a lot of pain killers for a week or so ) so could have got it from there, or i brought it in. Hard to tell.

Tue Apr 20 2021 11:06:50 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

I said, having woke up with a bit of a sore throat and a general sense of being under the weather, with chills but no fever. 

 

 

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So, speaking about vaccines... 

It just occurred to me that the claims about the efficacy of the vaccines all suffer from the maxim that you can't prove a negative. 

I mean... average people take the vaccine and then they walk around confident that it has a 98% efficacy after 5 weeks and a 2nd dose. 

But what exactly does this really mean? 

I mean, natural chance had about an 85% efficacy against catching the virus. I think about 15% of the population ended up catching it... 

So... I assume that what they mean is that in clinical trials, those who got placebos or were in control groups maintained an infection rate of about 15% of their groups... and in those who were given the real thing, that about 2% ended up getting infected. 


And later studies in actual populations outside of clinical studies showed similar results. 

But you're dealing with limited numbers in clinical studies, and hard to track results among gene

 

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Made me laugh out loud, too. :) 

😂

Sat Apr 17 2021 14:32:31 EDT from Nurb432

:)

Sat Apr 17 2021 13:53:36 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

There are all kinds of electronic cybernetic enhancements that can be
placed inside the human body - starting with fairly low tech devices

And continuing to this day with the nanobots that Bill Gates put in his vaccines.

<<ducks>>

 

 

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:)

Sat Apr 17 2021 13:53:36 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

There are all kinds of electronic cybernetic enhancements that can be
placed inside the human body - starting with fairly low tech devices

And continuing to this day with the nanobots that Bill Gates put in his vaccines.

<<ducks>>

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099260714Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:53:36 -00002099260714@UncensoredThere are all kinds of electronic cybernetic enhancements that can be >placed inside the human body - starting with fairly low tech devices And continuing to this day with the nanobots that Bill Gates put in his vaccines. <> ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099260701Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:30:49 -00002099260701@Uncensored

Yes, this last year or so has been very enlightening for many, and validation for others ( like myself ).  I do agree with the ship analogy, problem is today the ones that do break out form the pack and get noticed, get torpedoed by people far more powerful than any of us. 

 

And while i do have a dim view on the human race in general, there are always exceptions.  "good" people are out there.

Sat Apr 17 2021 12:26:08 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

I have mixed emotions on this thought. 

Maybe the majority of society - being sheep and not very capable of critical thought - need and deserve exactly the system they get. 
Maybe it is on those of us who are superior to the rest of society to figure out how to keep ourselves exempt from the limitations that applies to all the mouth-breathers. 

It isn't a pleasant thought - but the last year really kind of put a spotlight on how incompetent, incapable and irrational most of society is. 

It certainly creates a hassle and dilemma for the rest of us - having to figure out how to avoid being limited in our personal freedoms and potential by the slowest ships in the fleet - when most of the fleet is paddleboats. 

But I've certainly come to understand how someone could come to have contempt for the mass of humanity as a whole. 

 

 

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I have mixed emotions on this thought. 

Maybe the majority of society - being sheep and not very capable of critical thought - need and deserve exactly the system they get. 
Maybe it is on those of us who are superior to the rest of society to figure out how to keep ourselves exempt from the limitations that applies to all the mouth-breathers. 

It isn't a pleasant thought - but the last year really kind of put a spotlight on how incompetent, incapable and irrational most of society is. 

It certainly creates a hassle and dilemma for the rest of us - having to figure out how to avoid being limited in our personal freedoms and potential by the slowest ships in the fleet - when most of the fleet is paddleboats. 

But I've certainly come to understand how someone could come to have contempt for the mass of humanity as a whole. 

 

Sat Apr 17 2021 07:27:36 EDT from Nurb432

Yes. most people are sheep.  its why we are in the mess we are in now. :(

Sat Apr 17 2021 00:40:14 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

Lots would. 

 

Fri Apr 16 2021 17:09:58 EDT from Nurb432

I wouldn't :) 

Fri Apr 16 2021 16:19:12 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

But if it was an Apple branded product that worked with your iDevice, there would be lines around the Apple store waiting to pay a premium for it. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes. most people are sheep.  its why we are in the mess we are in now. :(

Sat Apr 17 2021 00:40:14 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

Lots would. 

 

Fri Apr 16 2021 17:09:58 EDT from Nurb432

I wouldn't :) 

Fri Apr 16 2021 16:19:12 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

But if it was an Apple branded product that worked with your iDevice, there would be lines around the Apple store waiting to pay a premium for it. 

 

 

 

 

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Lots would. 

 

Fri Apr 16 2021 17:09:58 EDT from Nurb432

I wouldn't :) 

Fri Apr 16 2021 16:19:12 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

But if it was an Apple branded product that worked with your iDevice, there would be lines around the Apple store waiting to pay a premium for it. 

 

 

 

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I wouldn't :) 

Fri Apr 16 2021 16:19:12 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

But if it was an Apple branded product that worked with your iDevice, there would be lines around the Apple store waiting to pay a premium for it. 

 

 

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That it truly detected covid, no. ( not that its impossible, just doubtful ) That it was for sinister purposes, yes. Especially since i dont see a practical implant detecting it so it had to be for sinister reasons. 

No i dont trust them AT ALL.  In 56+ years of my life they have not provided *anything* to change that feeling. Nothing else, they have reinforced it many times over.

Fri Apr 16 2021 16:16:48 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

The whole eagerness to believe that 

A: The Government has developed a microchip capable of detecting Covid in the bloodstream

B: That this is really a front for something more sinister, biblical, Orwellian, or apocalyptical 

Disturbs me. 

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I suspect the Government often works through corporations to release advancements like this - BECAUSE of the nature of human reaction to Government with distrust but to companies, especially trusted ones, with blind allegiance. 

If some Government lab released this discovery, people would turn it down for free. 

But if it was an Apple branded product that worked with your iDevice, there would be lines around the Apple store waiting to pay a premium for it. 

 

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I figured it wasn't real... but I was interested in the reaction to it. 

Lots of good things have actually come from government thinktanks and labs. I agree that there have been lots of abuses - but corporations are just as guilty of unethical behavior as Government. 

For every Tuskagee Experiment you can name I can find a "Yeah, big tobacco knew it was addictive, knew it was deadly, genetically engineered it to be MORE addictive, *and* marketed it to kids." 

But that doesn't mean EVERY government program has been insidious, or that every Corporation is out to get kids hooked as the previous generation dies early from complications related to the addiction to the product. 

These are really just simple logic tests. "If All As are Bs and Some Cs are Bs then All Bs must be..." 


The whole eagerness to believe that 

A: The Government has developed a microchip capable of detecting Covid in the bloodstream

B: That this is re

Fri Apr 16 2021 09:12:16 EDT from LoanShark

2021-04-15 17:27 from Nurb432
I think this is real.   I dont even have the words.

 

https://money.yahoo.com/pentagon-unveils-microchip-senses-covid-231239

955.html

OK so it isn't real. Be careful what you read on the internet: https://www.newsweek.com/covid-microchip-inject-pentagon-fact-check-real-hoax-1583532

Looks like the "covid filter" is actually a cytokine filter: https://www.extheramedical.com/news-releases/2020/8/11/seraph-100-blood-filter-used-by-us-department-of-defense-to-treat-covid-19-nxl9c-3ndtc

https://www.baxter.com/baxter-newsroom/baxter-obtains-us-fda-emergency-use-authorization-oxiris-blood-purification-filter

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099260505Fri, 16 Apr 2021 13:55:18 -00002099260505@Uncensored 2021-04-16 09:40 from Nurb432 >That is good.  > >But being on more than one news service, makes you wonder as i did >look around for other sources, and found them.  I think it was NBC >covered it too. At least one of the other 3 letter government >propaganda agencies. i forget which one now. ABC? i donno.  Yeah, you're not wrong. There were several articles that read like they were copypasta'd from the same poorly-written source, which was lightly sourced and seemed to come from some guy who was smoking pot and kinda half-paying-attention during the original 60 Minutes broadcast. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099260504Fri, 16 Apr 2021 13:40:45 -00002099260504@Uncensored

That is good. 

But being on more than one news service, makes you wonder as i did look around for other sources, and found them.  I think it was NBC covered it too. At least one of the other 3 letter government propaganda agencies. i forget which one now. ABC? i donno. 

Fri Apr 16 2021 09:12:16 EDT from LoanShark

2021-04-15 17:27 from Nurb432
I think this is real.   I dont even have the words.

 

https://money.yahoo.com/pentagon-unveils-microchip-senses-covid-231239

955.html

OK so it isn't real. Be careful what you read on the internet: https://www.newsweek.com/covid-microchip-inject-pentagon-fact-check-real-hoax-1583532

Looks like the "covid filter" is actually a cytokine filter: https://www.extheramedical.com/news-releases/2020/8/11/seraph-100-blood-filter-used-by-us-department-of-defense-to-treat-covid-19-nxl9c-3ndtc

https://www.baxter.com/baxter-newsroom/baxter-obtains-us-fda-emergency-use-authorization-oxiris-blood-purification-filter

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099260502Fri, 16 Apr 2021 13:12:57 -00002099260502@Uncensored 2021-04-15 17:44 from Nurb432 >Moats, gaters, razor wire, armed drones.. etc.  Trap door over a tiger pit... ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099260501Fri, 16 Apr 2021 13:12:16 -00002099260501@Uncensored 2021-04-15 17:27 from Nurb432 >I think this is real.   I dont even have the words. > >  > >https://money.yahoo.com/pentagon-unveils-microchip-senses-covid-231239 >955.html > OK so it isn't real. Be careful what you read on the internet: https://www.newsweek.com/covid-microchip-inject-pentagon-fact-check-real-hoax-1583532 Looks like the "covid filter" is actually a cytokine filter: https://www.extheramedical.com/news-releases/2020/8/11/seraph-100-blood-filter-used-by-us-department-of-defense-to-treat-covid-19-nxl9c-3ndtc https://www.baxter.com/baxter-newsroom/baxter-obtains-us-fda-emergency-use-authorization-oxiris-blood-purification-filter ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099260493Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:51:26 -00002099260493@Uncensored

And yes, that is being paranoid, but you do NOT trust your government or their motives. Ever.  

Also question private enterprise, just to be sure. But at least there, not all of them are evil, some just want to make a profit, and do some good along the way.  But the evil ones, steer clear of. 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099260483Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:01:31 -00002099260483@Uncensored

Yes, there are. But they are not coming from the government, over what amounts to a power grab over its people using the flu as an excuse.

 

Fri Apr 16 2021 01:04:21 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

There are all kinds of electronic cybernetic enhancements that can be placed inside the human body - starting with fairly low tech devices like the pacemaker. 

So... the idea of surgically implanting an electronic device inside the human body to improve the human condition is nothing new. 

It is *inevitable* that technology like this will develop - and an implant that can detect covid sounds pretty benign and beneficial to mankind to me. Especially when paired with a dialysis machine that can then filter the virus out of your blood stream. 

Why *not*, exactly? 

Thu Apr 15 2021 17:27:19 EDT from Nurb432

I think this is real.   I dont even have the words.

 

https://money.yahoo.com/pentagon-unveils-microchip-senses-covid-231239955.html

 

 

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There are all kinds of electronic cybernetic enhancements that can be placed inside the human body - starting with fairly low tech devices like the pacemaker. 

So... the idea of surgically implanting an electronic device inside the human body to improve the human condition is nothing new. 

It is *inevitable* that technology like this will develop - and an implant that can detect covid sounds pretty benign and beneficial to mankind to me. Especially when paired with a dialysis machine that can then filter the virus out of your blood stream. 

Why *not*, exactly? 

Thu Apr 15 2021 17:27:19 EDT from Nurb432

I think this is real.   I dont even have the words.

 

https://money.yahoo.com/pentagon-unveils-microchip-senses-covid-231239955.html

 

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Moats, gaters, razor wire, armed drones.. etc. 

Thu Apr 15 2021 17:42:16 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Cross-border travel is not assembly, unless you think that all those

Mexican Rapists should have carte blanche to assemble in El Paso or
wherever.

Agreed. I was just referring to assembly of legitimate residents. We should be suppressing border crossings with machine gun fire.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099260415Thu, 15 Apr 2021 21:42:16 -00002099260415@Uncensored Cross-border travel is not assembly, unless you think that all those >Mexican Rapists should have carte blanche to assemble in El Paso or >wherever. Agreed. I was just referring to assembly of legitimate residents. We should be suppressing border crossings with machine gun fire. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099260411Thu, 15 Apr 2021 21:27:19 -00002099260411@Uncensored

I think this is real.   I dont even have the words.

 

https://money.yahoo.com/pentagon-unveils-microchip-senses-covid-231239955.html

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099260275Thu, 15 Apr 2021 00:45:12 -00002099260275@Uncensored

A no older than 5 day test.  

 

Wed Apr 14 2021 20:44:00 EDT from zooer

A vaccine is the only option or a will a negative test work?

 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099260274Thu, 15 Apr 2021 00:44:00 -00002099260274@Uncensored

A vaccine is the only option or a will a negative test work?

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099260252Wed, 14 Apr 2021 21:12:22 -00002099260252@Uncensored

Grrr so the facility my mother is in ( A retirement/nursing care/assisted living sort thing where all 3 levels are supported in different areas ) changed their rules.. Now you have to have a shot to be able to visit,

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099260103Tue, 13 Apr 2021 22:32:32 -00002099260103@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099259986Mon, 12 Apr 2021 23:22:18 -00002099259986@Uncensored

I am sure the mob in the assembling would turn on you as well. 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099259977Mon, 12 Apr 2021 21:15:55 -00002099259977@Uncensored

Lol, Rights.. Lol!

Mon Apr 12 2021 15:06:33 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Seems to me that vaccine passports are a violation of 1A right to assemble?

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099259956Mon, 12 Apr 2021 19:06:33 -00002099259956@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099259020Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:29:37 -00002099259020@Uncensored

And they were told to shut up. its classified for your protection. Trust us.

Sat Apr 03 2021 18:49:23 EDT from zooer

Privacy advocates demand more information on New York's Excelsior Pass
They want to know who has access to the data, and whether local police or federal agencies can see who is vaccinated or not.

BUFFALO, N.Y. — Last week New York State announced the Excelsior Pass, which will act as a badge to gain entry to concerts, sporting events, and theaters for those vaccinated or with a negative COVID-19 test.
Now privacy advocates are demanding more information from New York State over who has access to the data, and whether local police or federal agencies can see who is vaccinated or not. There's also concerns over digital segregation that a pass like this could cause.

https://www.wgrz.com/article/tech/privacy-advocates-demand-more-information-on-new-york-state-excelsior-pass/71-955c3420-b716-402c-8500-aeda4c632d9a

 

 

 

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Privacy advocates demand more information on New York's Excelsior Pass
They want to know who has access to the data, and whether local police or federal agencies can see who is vaccinated or not.

BUFFALO, N.Y. — Last week New York State announced the Excelsior Pass, which will act as a badge to gain entry to concerts, sporting events, and theaters for those vaccinated or with a negative COVID-19 test.
Now privacy advocates are demanding more information from New York State over who has access to the data, and whether local police or federal agencies can see who is vaccinated or not. There's also concerns over digital segregation that a pass like this could cause.

https://www.wgrz.com/article/tech/privacy-advocates-demand-more-information-on-new-york-state-excelsior-pass/71-955c3420-b716-402c-8500-aeda4c632d9a

 

 

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Thu Apr 01 2021 03:35:27 PM EDTfrom ParanoidDelusions

Perhaps if you try harder, I will to. 

Perhaps if you try harder I will in too.
Perhaps if you try harder I will in addition.

Perhaps if you try harder I will as well.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258842Fri, 02 Apr 2021 23:27:59 -00002099258842@Uncensored

In addition. 

Fri Apr 02 2021 10:18:08 EDT from zooer

"as well"

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258794Fri, 02 Apr 2021 14:18:08 -00002099258794@Uncensored

"as well"

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*too.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258719Thu, 01 Apr 2021 19:35:27 -00002099258719@Uncensored

Perhaps if you try harder, I will to. 

Thu Apr 01 2021 13:22:20 EDT from LoanShark

Awaiting Loanshark's insightful, impartial and non-partisan
debunking of this link. 

I'm literally not even involved in this thread. Go away PD, stop humping my leg, and stop being an asshole.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258698Thu, 01 Apr 2021 17:22:20 -00002099258698@Uncensored>Awaiting Loanshark's insightful, impartial and non-partisan >>debunking of this link.  I'm literally not even involved in this thread. Go away PD, stop humping my leg, and stop being an asshole. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258686Thu, 01 Apr 2021 15:39:12 -00002099258686@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258660Thu, 01 Apr 2021 11:21:25 -00002099258660@Uncensored

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/12i3zI7C44/for-those-who-are-skeptical-of-t/c/

 

I am 99.999% positive I will never get another hug from my mother again. If that prediction comes true, it would make me almost as angry as if a vaccine reaction killed her.

 

Thanks for all your love, healing and unity, you commie cunts. And fuck your voodoo "science".

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258626Thu, 01 Apr 2021 03:54:05 -00002099258626@Uncensored

The thing is... where *does* this stuff come from? Who gets together a bunch of dudes this age and presents something like this, films it, and distributes it. That is pretty coordinated. 

I got the vaccine too. I keep waiting for everything Loanshark says to suddenly start making sense to me and all of the rest of you to start sounding like hopeless deplorables who need to be stopped before you ruin the world. 

I kind of welcome assimilation at this point. It gots to be easier. 

 

Wed Mar 31 2021 16:53:34 EDT from Nurb432

Ya, its not gates. 

Wed Mar 31 2021 12:37:01 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

I'll note that it sounds like the person addressing the speaker actually says, "Dr. Olson, your theory..." before the speaker interrupts, "Sorry, let me complete..." 

Context to this video would be lovely. 

 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258602Wed, 31 Mar 2021 20:53:34 -00002099258602@Uncensored

Ya, its not gates. 

Wed Mar 31 2021 12:37:01 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

I'll note that it sounds like the person addressing the speaker actually says, "Dr. Olson, your theory..." before the speaker interrupts, "Sorry, let me complete..." 

Context to this video would be lovely. 

 

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Wed Mar 31 2021 12:32:21 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

Awaiting Loanshark's insightful, impartial and non-partisan debunking of this link. 

LoanShark had the vaccine, he is a pod person now.  He agrees with everything the vaccinators tell him.

Actual picture of LoanShark in Central Park after getting his second dose:
https://fastly.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/1140x640_hero/public/body_snatchers_ending.jpg

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258598Wed, 31 Mar 2021 18:38:22 -00002099258598@Uncensored

I dont like fundamentalism either. but its their right to be weird, on their own turf.

 

 

Wed Mar 31 2021 12:32:21 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

This literally includes a video that claims to be of Bill Gates giving a briefing to the DOD on vaccinating against religious fundamentalism. 

No exaggeration. Basically using vaccination to change the way people *think*. 

How is this *not* like condemned research on lobotomies or the kind of "science" that the Germans were practicing in the late 30's and early 40's? 

https://forum.legaljunkies.com/forum/forum-information/law-news/china-news/643806-was-china-set-up-by-obama-s-cia-and-dr-anthony-fauci-in-2014-by-giving-corona-virus-bio-weapon-to-wuhan-lab

Awaiting Loanshark's insightful, impartial and non-partisan debunking of this link. 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258590Wed, 31 Mar 2021 17:50:55 -00002099258590@Uncensored

A little more information: 

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-gates-fundamentalists-penta-idUSKBN22P35M

Wed Mar 31 2021 12:37:01 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

I'll note that it sounds like the person addressing the speaker actually says, "Dr. Olson, your theory..." before the speaker interrupts, "Sorry, let me complete..." 

Context to this video would be lovely. 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258584Wed, 31 Mar 2021 16:37:01 -00002099258584@Uncensored

I'll note that it sounds like the person addressing the speaker actually says, "Dr. Olson, your theory..." before the speaker interrupts, "Sorry, let me complete..." 

Context to this video would be lovely. 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258583Wed, 31 Mar 2021 16:32:21 -00002099258583@Uncensored

This literally includes a video that claims to be of Bill Gates giving a briefing to the DOD on vaccinating against religious fundamentalism. 

No exaggeration. Basically using vaccination to change the way people *think*. 

How is this *not* like condemned research on lobotomies or the kind of "science" that the Germans were practicing in the late 30's and early 40's? 

https://forum.legaljunkies.com/forum/forum-information/law-news/china-news/643806-was-china-set-up-by-obama-s-cia-and-dr-anthony-fauci-in-2014-by-giving-corona-virus-bio-weapon-to-wuhan-lab

Awaiting Loanshark's insightful, impartial and non-partisan debunking of this link. 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258537Wed, 31 Mar 2021 05:20:19 -00002099258537@Uncensored

Now you've taken up sides with the folks who make posts who are entirely (1) strawman fallacies and (2) bad faith. You're also an idle chatterer. 

So sayeth the Priests of the Ministry of Science. ™ ®

This entire post is (1) strawman fallacy and (2) bad faith.

Don't get me wrong, it's also just idle chatter. I'm not stupid.

Tue Mar 30 2021 17:22:27 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Well there's science (the scientific method) and then there's "Science (TM)" which is one of many terms corrupted by people with an agenda. Instead of saying "I do not agree with your opinion" they say "You obviously hate Science (TM)".

It's a thing. We can safely ignore those people. They also use non-words like "Consensus (TM)" and "Racism (TM)".

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258518Tue, 30 Mar 2021 23:52:00 -00002099258518@Uncensored

For Fs sack, you are a computer professional with years of experience, use "™" or "®"

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258505Tue, 30 Mar 2021 21:22:27 -00002099258505@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258305Sun, 28 Mar 2021 20:36:55 -00002099258305@Uncensored This entire post is (1) strawman fallacy and (2) bad faith. Don't get me wrong, it's also just idle chatter. I'm not stupid. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258304Sun, 28 Mar 2021 20:30:42 -00002099258304@Uncensored 2021-03-27 17:26 from ParanoidDelusions >100% > > >-Everyone who claims to FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE who leans Left, every >time science doesn't agree with their narrative - in my experience, >though.   > > >When you start talking to them about the scientific method - how a >hypothesis has to be testable and falsifiable to be valid science - >and start pointing out that most of their science doesn't have these >components - their eyes glaze over and they TL:DR you.  This entire post is (1) strawman fallacy and (2) bad faith. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258302Sun, 28 Mar 2021 20:08:21 -00002099258302@Uncensored 2021-03-27 14:34 from IGnatius T Foobar >Geez LS, what is it with your family? You guys just can't catch a >break with this thing. Statistics. It's a really big family. My dad was one of 11 kids. I have 35 first cousins and uncountable second/removed cousins. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258273Sun, 28 Mar 2021 13:09:16 -00002099258273@Uncensored

I forget who it was that said it, but my favorite take has been: "Science is God until it conflicts with your personal prejudices, preconceived notions and financial incentives."

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258210Sat, 27 Mar 2021 21:26:50 -00002099258210@Uncensored

100%

-Everyone who claims to FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE who leans Left, every time science doesn't agree with their narrative - in my experience, though.  

When you start talking to them about the scientific method - how a hypothesis has to be testable and falsifiable to be valid science - and start pointing out that most of their science doesn't have these components - their eyes glaze over and they TL:DR you. 

 

Sat Mar 27 2021 10:11:45 EDT from nonservator

"My science is science. Your science is voodoo."  -Everyone who claims to FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258182Sat, 27 Mar 2021 18:34:52 -00002099258182@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258156Sat, 27 Mar 2021 14:11:45 -00002099258156@Uncensored

"My science is science. Your science is voodoo."  -Everyone who claims to FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258153Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:48:25 -00002099258153@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099258152Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:47:08 -00002099258152@Uncensored 2021-03-24 16:13 from ParanoidDelusions >I feel this is how a bunch of outbreak apocalypse movies start.  With pseudoscientific nonsense? Yes. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=2099257900Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:13:00 -00002099257900@Uncensored

I feel this is how a bunch of outbreak apocalypse movies start. 

 

Sat Mar 20 2021 07:47:43 EDT from Nurb432

Or, it was just coincidence and its evolution at work.

Fri Mar 19 2021 10:44:22 EDT from LoanShark

This is, almost certainly, objectively good news: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baby-born-covid-antibodies-moderna-vaccine/

 

 

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Ya they can suck.   that experience i had last week during the storm, thankfully the next day i was ok. Could have been worse.  

Brother fell off a customer's roof one time when the ladder pulled away on him ( he used to install consumer dish network hardware ). No damage other than pride.  but could have died and no one notice for a while..

Sat Mar 20 2021 11:01:03 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Ugh. Me and ladders. Don't get along, I guess. I twisted my knee stepping down from a very short distance. HARD. There was a sickening crunch and a Wilhelm scream. It's the next morning now, and it aches a lot. There's a lot of swelling and it hurts but there is no excessive heat, so I don't think I tore anything. But damn this is the last thing I want while I'm trying to remodel my kitchen.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4671992Sat, 20 Mar 2021 15:01:03 -00004671992@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4671980Sat, 20 Mar 2021 11:47:43 -00004671980@Uncensored

Or, it was just coincidence and its evolution at work.

Fri Mar 19 2021 10:44:22 EDT from LoanShark

This is, almost certainly, objectively good news: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baby-born-covid-antibodies-moderna-vaccine/

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4671891Fri, 19 Mar 2021 14:44:22 -00004671891@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4671723Wed, 17 Mar 2021 16:19:37 -00004671723@Uncensored

Nah, they just are smart in other fields. IT isn't their gig, or they would be working for my agency instead. 

Sure, there are stupid people everywhere, but not as a systemic thing in this context.

Tue Mar 16 2021 14:32:36 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Having worked in so many industries, I try to talk at the level of my
audience. Not that they are stupid, but dont understand the tech

If you don't think your audience is stupid, you don't know your audience.

People Are No Damn Good (tm)

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4671627Tue, 16 Mar 2021 18:32:36 -00004671627@UncensoredHaving worked in so many industries, I try to talk at the level of my >audience. Not that they are stupid, but dont understand the tech If you don't think your audience is stupid, you don't know your audience. People Are No Damn Good (tm) ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4671517Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:33:23 -00004671517@Uncensored

This is different, though... it is like... the early signs that eventually I'm going to lose my words. I've used them a lot - way more than most people - so I got a lot of mileage out of them. But I'm afraid I may run empty before I'm done saying things I want to say, at this rate. 

 

Sun Mar 14 2021 12:01:03 EDT from Nurb432

Having worked in so many industries, I try to talk at the level of my audience. Not that they are stupid, but dont understand the tech world. They have their own gig to worry about. So i'm always trying to sort out "what word do i need to use.. or can i at all and make any sense?" An often times i get the same problem.

Tho, now that people do have computers at home now and have for a while, its not as hard as it used to be.  Gone are the days of 'what does power cycle the computer mean' and having to explain it like a TV set so they dont keep powering down the monitor instead.  "Like you do with your VCR at night, turn the box underneath off, not the 'screen' ).  Of course that means so many people are 'experts'... 

Sat Mar 13 2021 23:13:54 EST from ParanoidDelusions

Hmnn... I lose words very quickly lately - and I'm a verbose MFer. I find myself going, "what is that word, what is it... you know... the... "cooperation!" why the hell couldn't I remember that word?" 

 

 

 

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Having worked in so many industries, I try to talk at the level of my audience. Not that they are stupid, but dont understand the tech world. They have their own gig to worry about. So i'm always trying to sort out "what word do i need to use.. or can i at all and make any sense?" An often times i get the same problem.

Tho, now that people do have computers at home now and have for a while, its not as hard as it used to be.  Gone are the days of 'what does power cycle the computer mean' and having to explain it like a TV set so they dont keep powering down the monitor instead.  "Like you do with your VCR at night, turn the box underneath off, not the 'screen' ).  Of course that means so many people are 'experts'... 

Sat Mar 13 2021 23:13:54 EST from ParanoidDelusions

Hmnn... I lose words very quickly lately - and I'm a verbose MFer. I find myself going, "what is that word, what is it... you know... the... "cooperation!" why the hell couldn't I remember that word?" 

 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4671301Sun, 14 Mar 2021 04:13:54 -00004671301@Uncensored

Hmnn... I lose words very quickly lately - and I'm a verbose MFer. I find myself going, "what is that word, what is it... you know... the... "cooperation!" why the hell couldn't I remember that word?" 

 

Fri Mar 12 2021 13:55:18 EST from LoanShark

I guess this is kind of a hidden danger of things like Chantix,
too... You don't *realize* it is the drug that is making you have the

mood swings. You just chalk it up to your own sweet self. 

I'm sorta lucky (in a sense) in that the delirium was so obviously medical and neurological in origin (I couldn't even pronounce syllables quite right) that I very much knew that "this is not me - this will pass". I wouldn't want to be in somebody else's shoes, where some kind of post-viral chronic fatigue/depression becomes their new normal.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4671088Fri, 12 Mar 2021 18:55:18 -00004671088@UncensoredI guess this is kind of a hidden danger of things like Chantix, >too... You don't *realize* it is the drug that is making you have the >mood swings. You just chalk it up to your own sweet self.  I'm sorta lucky (in a sense) in that the delirium was so obviously medical and neurological in origin (I couldn't even pronounce syllables quite right) that I very much knew that "this is not me - this will pass". I wouldn't want to be in somebody else's shoes, where some kind of post-viral chronic fatigue/depression becomes their new normal. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4670705Wed, 10 Mar 2021 07:36:51 -00004670705@Uncensored

LOL

Sat Mar 06 2021 16:31:12 EST from LoanShark

2021-03-05 08:11 from Nurb432
"Yep doing just great other than this damned antenna on my forehead"

I've got much better 5G reception though

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4670704Wed, 10 Mar 2021 07:36:25 -00004670704@Uncensored

You were moody and temperamental? I didn't notice at all. 

I didn't even have soreness in my shoulder on my first round. I may have been a little lethargic and I've been incredibly sleepy and less energetic - but, I don't know if that is the vaccine or just that I'm generally lazy, it has been cold, and I've been... 


Well, yeah, just in the other room - I've got way less desire to interact with people because they annoy me more lately. So - maybe there are some *exaggerations* of my *natural* disposition that are easy to just dismiss due to my naturally manic mood swings. 

I guess this is kind of a hidden danger of things like Chantix, too... You don't *realize* it is the drug that is making you have the mood swings. You just chalk it up to your own sweet self. 

But - how do you quantify THAT? 

Especially in a time like now... where mood swings are kind of par for the course. 

I have had sore arms... aching sore arms, from flu s

 

Sat Mar 06 2021 15:08:37 EST from LoanShark

The "now i feel like i have it" after getting a vax: While i have
never had that problem, i have heard people i know mention that
reaction with regular flu shots too.

I'm quite relived that didn't happen this time, because 'feeling like I have it again' for me, would mean a return of the acute moodiness/short-term depression that lingered into last April/May for me (in fits and starts, it wasn't a constnat thing, but it seemed like a post-viral inflammatory syndrome.)

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4670703Wed, 10 Mar 2021 07:27:53 -00004670703@Uncensored

I've been keeping quiet, but my wife had hers, Pfizer, about 6 weeks ago, mine is coming up on 3 weeks. 

No reactions. What I am hearing is that 2nd dose is the one that usually has complications, and that after 3 weeks, first shot gives about 80% efficacy. 

I'll still probably follow up with second shot. In for a penny, in for a pound. 

I've also never had a reaction except to a barium injection for a CatScan that gave me some mild hives. 

 

Wed Mar 03 2021 11:51:49 EST from LoanShark

I got Pfizered at 10AM. No reaction so far.


I've never really had any reaction to any vaccine, ever.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4670663Wed, 10 Mar 2021 00:34:47 -00004670663@Uncensored 2021-03-09 08:13 from triLcat >Still on Linux, but what makes meat natural? > >  > What makes it natural is not being grown in an underground sinister laboratory in which Gate's slaves try to turn plastic into beef. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4670552Tue, 09 Mar 2021 13:13:15 -00004670552@Uncensored

Still on Linux, but what makes meat natural?

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4670548Tue, 09 Mar 2021 12:19:20 -00004670548@Uncensored

And this uncontrollable urge to no longer eat natural meat and buy Microsoft products?

Tue Mar 09 2021 06:58:52 EST from triLcat

I got vaccinated a while ago. 2 shots Pfizer. I'm perfectly Pfine. 
My arm was very sore and I was tired for a bit.

 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4670547Tue, 09 Mar 2021 11:58:52 -00004670547@Uncensored

I got vaccinated a while ago. 2 shots Pfizer. I'm perfectly Pfine. 
My arm was very sore and I was tired for a bit.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4670490Mon, 08 Mar 2021 18:40:23 -00004670490@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4670338Sat, 06 Mar 2021 21:31:12 -00004670338@Uncensored 2021-03-05 08:11 from Nurb432 >"Yep doing just great other than this damned antenna on my forehead" I've got much better 5G reception though ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4670336Sat, 06 Mar 2021 20:08:37 -00004670336@UncensoredThe "now i feel like i have it" after getting a vax: While i have >never had that problem, i have heard people i know mention that >reaction with regular flu shots too. I'm quite relived that didn't happen this time, because 'feeling like I have it again' for me, would mean a return of the acute moodiness/short-term depression that lingered into last April/May for me (in fits and starts, it wasn't a constnat thing, but it seemed like a post-viral inflammatory syndrome.) ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4670331Sat, 06 Mar 2021 20:03:42 -00004670331@Uncensored 2021-03-05 08:11 from Nurb432 >"Yep doing just great other than this damned antenna on my forehead" You found the joke you were looking for! :-] ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4670196Fri, 05 Mar 2021 13:11:59 -00004670196@Uncensored

"Yep doing just great other than this damned antenna on my forehead"

 

The "now i feel like i have it" after getting a vax: While i have never had that problem, i have heard people i know mention that reaction with regular flu shots too.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4670105Thu, 04 Mar 2021 16:03:41 -00004670105@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4669994Wed, 03 Mar 2021 22:44:39 -00004669994@Uncensored 2021-03-03 11:51 from LoanShark > > I got Pfizered at 10AM. No reaction so far. > > > I've never really had any reaction to any vaccine, ever. > > Lucky you. I have had horses develop very bad reactions to certain vaccines, which is the reason why I am sort of carful what I vaccinate them against. If you have a horse that is not going to be able to eat for some days because of some vaccine, and the vaccine is not covering for something actually dangerous, I think it is not worth it. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4669973Wed, 03 Mar 2021 18:15:23 -00004669973@Uncensored 2021-03-03 12:58 from Nurb432 >*insert some joke here about typing in a strange language now that we >cant read* See, I just posted that to get a reaction. You fell into the trap. ;) (drum roll) ;) ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4669971Wed, 03 Mar 2021 17:58:41 -00004669971@Uncensored

*insert some joke here about typing in a strange language now that we cant read*

Wed Mar 03 2021 11:51:49 EST from LoanShark

I got Pfizered at 10AM. No reaction so far.


I've never really had any reaction to any vaccine, ever.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4669965Wed, 03 Mar 2021 16:51:49 -00004669965@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4669946Wed, 03 Mar 2021 13:52:50 -00004669946@Uncensored

currently, we know that the South African and UK strains are covered by both Pfizer and Moderna. 
Not sure about the Brazilian strain.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4669880Tue, 02 Mar 2021 22:32:58 -00004669880@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4669879Tue, 02 Mar 2021 22:32:49 -00004669879@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4669745Mon, 01 Mar 2021 11:25:27 -00004669745@UncensoredIn the meantime, the closest thing I had to an uncle was in NYC, went >to donate blood (he was feeling completely fine), and contracted >Coronavirus a little less than 3 weeks ago. His memorial service was >yesterday. I made a shiva call to his daughter today. She was unable >to fly to the US for his memorial service.  > I am sorry for your loss. Do you know if the vacciness are any good across different strains? SOmething I suspect is that they are going to have everybody vaccinated, call it a victory, and then everybody will be infected by a different strain not covered by the vaccine. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4669742Mon, 01 Mar 2021 10:49:42 -00004669742@Uncensored

Hi - I've been away for a while, and I didn't have the energy to read everything here.
I'm one of 5 siblings. All of us and our spouses have had both doses of Pfizer, as have my parents and my aunt (all 3 70+) 

Most of my friends have also had the vaccine. I live online, and spend way too much time on various groups.

So - I'm in touch with maybe 1500+ people who've been vaccinated. 

A lot had arm pain, fatigue, and flu-like symptoms for up to 4 days post-vaccine. 

A few people mentioned palpitations, including two who got some kind of medication to bring their heart rate back into normal range - one of whom mentioned that her doctor believed it was an allergic reaction and had her take an antihistamine at the time of the second shot, and she had no further issues. 

One woman had a crazy reaction of numbness in arm and leg on one side. Sensation has mostly come back, but it took 6 weeks or so. She had the reaction after the first dose, and did not have any reaction to the second dose. 


In the meantime, the closest thing I had to an uncle was in NYC, went to donate blood (he was feeling completely fine), and contracted Coronavirus a little less than 3 weeks ago. His memorial service was yesterday. I made a shiva call to his daughter today. She was unable to fly to the US for his memorial service. 

I'll take the vaccine. thanks.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4669049Tue, 23 Feb 2021 00:21:43 -00004669049@Uncensored

I think china does too.  I was meaning coming soon to the US.

Mon Feb 22 2021 18:12:03 EST from zooer

Israel has a COVID card.

>> Shops were open to all, but access to gyms, hotels and theatres was limited to people with a “Green Pass”: those who have had both doses of the vaccine more than a week prior,
>> or recovered from the disease with presumed immunity.
>> Pass-holders could prove their status by presenting a vaccination certificate or downloading a health ministry app linked to their medical files.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/green-pass-israel-s-covid-19-vaccination-certificate-opens-fast-n1258467

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4669035Mon, 22 Feb 2021 23:12:03 -00004669035@Uncensored

Israel has a COVID card.

>> Shops were open to all, but access to gyms, hotels and theatres was limited to people with a “Green Pass”: those who have had both doses of the vaccine more than a week prior,
>> or recovered from the disease with presumed immunity.
>> Pass-holders could prove their status by presenting a vaccination certificate or downloading a health ministry app linked to their medical files.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/green-pass-israel-s-covid-19-vaccination-certificate-opens-fast-n1258467

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4668894Sun, 21 Feb 2021 19:57:35 -00004668894@Uncensored

Some restaurant worker in NYC just got fired as she wanted to wait to get the shot ( not turned it down just postpone it .. wanted to have a child )

If they get away with it, the flood gates open..  "you want to work, show us your covid card"  "you want to eat here, or buy groceries, show us your card"

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4651093Sun, 21 Feb 2021 02:26:43 -00004651093@Uncensored Mother, Should I Trust the Government? My mother stopped trusting the government a long time ago. :) Seems like they're going to have to start giving tiered approvals, so they can prioritize who gets ahead of who ... sort of like they did with the draft during Vietnam (oh snap, he went there) ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4650987Sat, 20 Feb 2021 03:02:37 -00004650987@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4650984Sat, 20 Feb 2021 02:16:59 -00004650984@Uncensored

New York state has many problems with vaccine distribution, but don't blame Mario Cuomo, he is not to blame.*
NY state has had problems with people in one region making appointments in other regions and traveling outside their region to get the vaccine.  If you really want a vaccine NOW, you can see if there are appointments on LI or in northern Westchester County.

 

*As quoted from Chris Cuomo.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4650982Sat, 20 Feb 2021 01:25:07 -00004650982@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4650837Thu, 18 Feb 2021 13:01:41 -00004650837@Uncensored

"SO MANY AMERICANS DIED BECAUSE AMERICA IS SO STUPID!"

Uh huh.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4650800Thu, 18 Feb 2021 01:07:58 -00004650800@Uncensored

My mental auto-correct fixed it without me even noticing. 

 

Sat Feb 13 2021 16:13:23 EST from Nurb432

"Polo shot"???????

 

Man, i really gotta get a new keyboard, and slow down.   Even when i hear the key click, it does not mean it actually registered. And i'm really bad about proof-reading.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4650339Sat, 13 Feb 2021 21:13:23 -00004650339@Uncensored

"Polo shot"???????

 

Man, i really gotta get a new keyboard, and slow down.   Even when i hear the key click, it does not mean it actually registered. And i'm really bad about proof-reading.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4650238Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:20:59 -00004650238@Uncensored

Frankly, it wouldn't be my problem if it wiped every last one of us out. 

I could also get hit by a car walking my dog later this evening, though... so... 

 

Fri Feb 12 2021 13:36:50 EST from Nurb432

Of the few people i know personally who got the shot, about 1/2 said 'sore arm'. others said 'nothing'.  ( varying age ranges, as i know many in the medical field. Other than that, our state is going by age ) I'm thinking with i got my polo shot in the 60s, my arm was sore then too. If i remember right i had a scar for decades like many others.

I still doubt this is an extinction event. There will be people that have natural immunity, and they will continue the species.   Could it wipe out a large part of mankind in the process? Sure. Will it? Who knows, since we have proven our selves able to 'adjust' natural selection with our medical science. Would that be a bad thing if it did wipe out a huge percentage? From an evolutionary standpoint, probably not.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4650214Fri, 12 Feb 2021 18:36:50 -00004650214@Uncensored

Of the few people i know personally who got the shot, about 1/2 said 'sore arm'. others said 'nothing'.  ( varying age ranges, as i know many in the medical field. Other than that, our state is going by age ) I'm thinking with i got my polo shot in the 60s, my arm was sore then too. If i remember right i had a scar for decades like many others.

I still doubt this is an extinction event. There will be people that have natural immunity, and they will continue the species.   Could it wipe out a large part of mankind in the process? Sure. Will it? Who knows, since we have proven our selves able to 'adjust' natural selection with our medical science. Would that be a bad thing if it did wipe out a huge percentage? From an evolutionary standpoint, probably not.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4650199Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:44:00 -00004650199@Uncensored

My wife, who is one degree of Bacon from me, got both doses, and had no side effects. Wait. Her arm was sore. 

The other thing - It works by the nature of the "Sky Is Falling," rhetoric coming from those who want to keep the fear cycle of this disease at peak efficiency, IG. 


Notice how the official Uncensored voice of All the WORST news about the virus is TRUE and all the BEST news about the virus is FALSE went, "Hey, wait a minute there, you're going too far..." above in response to my post? 


If everything continues to happen according to the worst case scenarios of those who delight in the idea that the virus REQUIRES us to live the rest of eternity in perpetual fear while submitting ourselves to the unquestioned authority of a particular Governing ideology and philosophy - it doesn't matter - because it is game over for humanity. 


Something will cause our extinction eventually, and it could be a virus that we just can't mutate

Thu Feb 11 2021 13:56:34 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

So, if the vaccine doesn't work 100%, 100% of the time... it is game
over for humanity. 

ummm ... how exactly does that happen?

Worst case scenario is that the vaccine doesn't work and humanity is reduced to those who are either naturally resistant or who have developed their own immunity.

My son works at a pharmacy over in the next town. He said that seven of his co-workers got the vaccine. All seven of them had really bad side effects.
This is not encouraging.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4650119Thu, 11 Feb 2021 21:50:59 -00004650119@Uncensored

I hate migraines.  So debilitating.  

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4650115Thu, 11 Feb 2021 21:14:26 -00004650115@Uncensored

"Really Bad" side effects needs a little more explanation.

If really bad side effects means it is working does "No side effects but my arm hurt a little" mean the vaccine isn't working?

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4650104Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:00:48 -00004650104@Uncensored My son works at a pharmacy over in the next town. He said that seven >of his co-workers got the vaccine. All seven of them had really bad >side effects. > This is not encouraging. Bad but probably not long-term harmful. The shot is supposed to cause your immune system to flare up. The side-effects mean its working. They are temporary. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4650102Thu, 11 Feb 2021 18:56:34 -00004650102@Uncensored>So, if the vaccine doesn't work 100%, 100% of the time... it is game >>over for humanity.  ummm ... how exactly does that happen? Worst case scenario is that the vaccine doesn't work and humanity is reduced to those who are either naturally resistant or who have developed their own immunity. My son works at a pharmacy over in the next town. He said that seven of his co-workers got the vaccine. All seven of them had really bad side effects. This is not encouraging. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4650024Wed, 10 Feb 2021 23:18:54 -00004650024@Uncensored

I am getting old.

When I go to any doctor's office they ask me if I have fallen since the last visit, and I am giddy when after a snow storm I get the driveway cleared to the bare asphalt. 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4649996Wed, 10 Feb 2021 19:53:22 -00004649996@Uncensored 2021-02-07 10:47 from ParanoidDelusions >So, if the vaccine doesn't work 100%, 100% of the time... it is game >over for humanity.  And you call me a pessimist. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4649726Sun, 07 Feb 2021 19:52:48 -00004649726@Uncensored

Its called evolution. There will be people with immunity. The weaker among us, die off and dont pass our inferior genes along. 

Sure, it sucks when its you being evolved out of the pool, but Its just how nature works and how things advance.  All our medical meddling of late has upset the balance, this might reset it.

Sun Feb 07 2021 10:47:13 EST from ParanoidDelusions

So, if the vaccine doesn't work 100%, 100% of the time... it is game over for humanity. 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4649675Sun, 07 Feb 2021 15:50:25 -00004649675@Uncensored

There are probably naturally immune humans we haven't discovered yet - and it is likely we'll just see an evolution of humanity that is immune, or for whom the effects are ALWAYS mild and cold like. But for MOST of us - Covid has already punched our ticket, if we know it or not - in the worst case scenario.

I've been telling people since the start - THAT is what NATURAL herd immunity looks like. Africans with sickle-cell malaria were the only ones who survived to breed in malaria infested parts of Africa - until all Africans born in those areas had sickle cell anemia. You couldn't survive without it. 

There is probably something like that for Covid-19. But... the rest of us - we're the Africans *without* the sickle cell mutation that confers immunity to malaria. 

 

Sun Feb 07 2021 10:47:13 EST from ParanoidDelusions

So, if the vaccine doesn't work 100%, 100% of the time... it is game over for humanity. 

The thing is contagious, everyone will get it, and eventually it'll wear you down and kill you. 

Let's be blunt - if there is a seasonal flu going around like Covid, even though Covid is benign in the vast majority of cases - repeated exposures to it, eventually you're going to get a big enough dose, after developing complications from it a previous time, that you're going to die a miserable death from it eventually. 

If they're telling us the truth about it - and they can't develop an actual cure... and it is seasonal Covid vaccinations for the rest of our lives... 

We better hope that Yellowstone goes off at the same time a meteor the size of Manhattan hits Asia or Europe, and puts us out of our suffering. 

 

Thu Feb 04 2021 20:34:10 EST from LoanShark

Maynard James Keenan contracted covid. Again.

https://variety.com/2021/music/news/maynard-james-keenan-covid19-second-time-1234900156/

 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4649674Sun, 07 Feb 2021 15:47:13 -00004649674@Uncensored

So, if the vaccine doesn't work 100%, 100% of the time... it is game over for humanity. 

The thing is contagious, everyone will get it, and eventually it'll wear you down and kill you. 

Let's be blunt - if there is a seasonal flu going around like Covid, even though Covid is benign in the vast majority of cases - repeated exposures to it, eventually you're going to get a big enough dose, after developing complications from it a previous time, that you're going to die a miserable death from it eventually. 

If they're telling us the truth about it - and they can't develop an actual cure... and it is seasonal Covid vaccinations for the rest of our lives... 

We better hope that Yellowstone goes off at the same time a meteor the size of Manhattan hits Asia or Europe, and puts us out of our suffering. 

 

Thu Feb 04 2021 20:34:10 EST from LoanShark

Maynard James Keenan contracted covid. Again.

https://variety.com/2021/music/news/maynard-james-keenan-covid19-second-time-1234900156/

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4649399Fri, 05 Feb 2021 01:34:10 -00004649399@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4649283Thu, 04 Feb 2021 14:58:01 -00004649283@Uncensored 2021-02-02 15:52 from IGnatius T Foobar > > It's important to know whether vaccinated people are *more* > >susceptible to *variant* strains which may be currently in the >minority > > >of what is circulating. > > I think I'm missing something here, because that seems obvious. >Pathogen mutates into a treatment-resistant form, doesn't that happen >all the time? I'm rambling, perhaps a bit too much, about Antibody-Dependent Enhancement. I feel like vaccine efficacy is a crucial part of vaccine safety. Here's the thing: non-neutralizing, or weakly/poorly neutralizing antibodies can actually make disease worse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement Although ADE may be the primary risk of vaccines, it is also perhaps a *greater* risk of natural infection. Most of the evidence to date seems to lean towards the idea that natural infection is not as protective as the Moderna or Pfizer products. SARS-CoV-2 spike protein has multiple epitopes that can be the target of neutralizing antibodies, not all of which are on the RBD (this is documented fact now.) So while mutation may help the virus evade some antibodies, it is unlikely to fully escape all of them at least for the time being. tl;dr: you're better off getting Pfizered or Moderna'd than getting SARS-CoV-2'd ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4649083Tue, 02 Feb 2021 20:52:53 -00004649083@Uncensored It's important to know whether vaccinated people are *more* >susceptible to *variant* strains which may be currently in the minority >of what is circulating. I think I'm missing something here, because that seems obvious. Pathogen mutates into a treatment-resistant form, doesn't that happen all the time? ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4649081Tue, 02 Feb 2021 20:51:32 -00004649081@Uncensored40 or so, right? Uncensored will be 33 years old on March 10. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4649077Tue, 02 Feb 2021 20:48:42 -00004649077@Uncensored"They" are predicting a COVID-19 month in March. Punxsutawney Phil saw Dr. Fauci's shadow and predicted six more years of pandemic. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4648874Mon, 01 Feb 2021 14:08:48 -00004648874@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4648866Mon, 01 Feb 2021 13:59:02 -00004648866@Uncensored 2021-01-31 10:22 from Nurb432 >A lot of things *should* be happening, but it was a political stunt, >and rushed thru without proper testing and monitoring. *rolls eyes* ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4648713Sun, 31 Jan 2021 15:22:11 -00004648713@Uncensored

A lot of things *should* be happening, but it was a political stunt, and rushed thru without proper testing and monitoring.

Forgetting the FDA getting in the way and making it worse, there really are legit science reasons new drugs dont pop out overnight. 

 

Fri Jan 29 2021 15:18:16 EST from LoanShark

Wish I knew more about this stuff. Feel like I'm stubling in the dark.

I saw a tweet from a guy who seemed to know what he was talking about, which said basically that it is now very important to use DNA sequencing to study which variants are causing cases in people who were vaccinated.

It's important to know whether vaccinated people are *more* susceptible to *variant* strains which may be currently in the minority of what is circulating.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4648622Sun, 31 Jan 2021 00:15:38 -00004648622@Uncensored

https://c19ivermectin.com/

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4648468Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:18:16 -00004648468@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4648449Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:12:17 -00004648449@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647850Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:24:59 -00004647850@Uncensored

Cool.

40 or so, right?

Sun Jan 24 2021 21:49:24 EST from zooer

 

ummmm UNCENSORED's anniversary. 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647774Mon, 25 Jan 2021 04:40:15 -00004647774@Uncensored

Not at all shocked that Citadel is a Pieces. 

Sun Jan 24 2021 21:49:24 EST from zooer

ummmm UNCENSORED's anniversary. 

 

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Sun Jan 24 2021 09:29:33 PM EST from ParanoidDelusions

Yeah... my Birthday! 

 

Sun Jan 24 2021 18:59:35 EST from zooer

 

Sun Jan 24 2021 05:18:45 PM EST from zooer

"They" are predicting a COVID-19 month in March.

They are predicting a BAD month for COVID-19 in March.

 

ummmm UNCENSORED's anniversary. 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647771Mon, 25 Jan 2021 02:29:33 -00004647771@Uncensored

Yeah... my Birthday! 

 

Sun Jan 24 2021 18:59:35 EST from zooer

 

Sun Jan 24 2021 05:18:45 PM EST from zooer

"They" are predicting a COVID-19 month in March.

They are predicting a BAD month for COVID-19 in March.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647752Sun, 24 Jan 2021 23:59:35 -00004647752@Uncensored

 

Sun Jan 24 2021 05:18:45 PM EST from zooer

"They" are predicting a COVID-19 month in March.

They are predicting a BAD month for COVID-19 in March.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647748Sun, 24 Jan 2021 22:43:57 -00004647748@Uncensored

They are going to milk this for as long as they can to keep us down.

 

Sun Jan 24 2021 17:18:45 EST from zooer

"They" are predicting a COVID-19 month in March.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647746Sun, 24 Jan 2021 22:18:45 -00004647746@Uncensored

"They" are predicting a COVID-19 month in March.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647694Sun, 24 Jan 2021 18:50:38 -00004647694@Uncensored

I have heard more than once that there is a single supplier in the US that is legally allowed to take the leaves and remove all the bad stuff.  And that coca-cola still uses the 'cleaned' leaf extract. Hard to say if its true or not in this day of synthetic everything, with the 'secret recipe ' and all.

 

Sun Jan 24 2021 11:48:00 EST from ParanoidDelusions

There is none of one and probably very little if any of the other in the modern recipe. 

Yeah, I think in my necks of the woods if you want a seltzer you'll ask for a "soda water". 

If you ask for a "soda and vodka," most bartenders are going to assume seltzer. 

But otherwise, asking for a "soda" is going to get you the answer, "what kind?" 

 

Sat Jan 23 2021 20:07:21 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Around here we call our carbonated soft drinks "soda" -- but even that is ambiguous, because there are places where if you ask for a soda, they assume you mean seltzer.  Soda water.

Coca-Cola got its name from its two key ingredients: Coca leaves and Kola nuts.  Most people know that it was originally considered a medicinal drink.  I wonder if it cures the china virus?

 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647679Sun, 24 Jan 2021 16:48:00 -00004647679@Uncensored

There is none of one and probably very little if any of the other in the modern recipe. 

Yeah, I think in my necks of the woods if you want a seltzer you'll ask for a "soda water". 

If you ask for a "soda and vodka," most bartenders are going to assume seltzer. 

But otherwise, asking for a "soda" is going to get you the answer, "what kind?" 

 

Sat Jan 23 2021 20:07:21 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Around here we call our carbonated soft drinks "soda" -- but even that is ambiguous, because there are places where if you ask for a soda, they assume you mean seltzer.  Soda water.

Coca-Cola got its name from its two key ingredients: Coca leaves and Kola nuts.  Most people know that it was originally considered a medicinal drink.  I wonder if it cures the china virus?

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647664Sun, 24 Jan 2021 14:31:00 -00004647664@Uncensored

I'd love to be able to chew some coca leaves now and then.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647661Sun, 24 Jan 2021 13:17:51 -00004647661@Uncensored

Well, i drink my home made stuff like most people breathe, and i got it ...  ( way too much actually, working on cutting back ) Tho no leaves in mine. Just a dash of kola mainly for the caffeine 

Sat Jan 23 2021 20:07:21 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Around here we call our carbonated soft drinks "soda" -- but even that is ambiguous, because there are places where if you ask for a soda, they assume you mean seltzer.  Soda water.

Coca-Cola got its name from its two key ingredients: Coca leaves and Kola nuts.  Most people know that it was originally considered a medicinal drink.  I wonder if it cures the china virus?

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647618Sun, 24 Jan 2021 01:07:21 -00004647618@Uncensored

Around here we call our carbonated soft drinks "soda" -- but even that is ambiguous, because there are places where if you ask for a soda, they assume you mean seltzer.  Soda water.

Coca-Cola got its name from its two key ingredients: Coca leaves and Kola nuts.  Most people know that it was originally considered a medicinal drink.  I wonder if it cures the china virus?

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647476Fri, 22 Jan 2021 18:50:15 -00004647476@Uncensored

Right on time, I've got a blog on that. 

http://donovancolbert.blogspot.com/2021/01/fauci-lied-people-died.html

" If you catch a liar and ask him the reason for his lie, do not believe that reason. You've already established he is a liar. He will use your trust against you again. Fauci is a liar. He has lied multiple times to the American public during this pandemic. He is lying about the 

Fri Jan 22 2021 11:01:25 EST from Nurb432

Right on time to continue the lock-downs indefinitely.

 

Honestly, i dont believe a thing that guy says. He waffles all the time. Even admitted he lied to the public on more than one occasion. Feeling he was the self-appointed arbitrator of truth or something. 

Thu Jan 21 2021 20:18:09 EST from zooer

Dr. Fauci says new data shows Covid vaccines appear to be less effective against some new strains
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/21/dr-fauci-says-covid-vaccines-appear-to-be-less-effective-against-some-new-strains.html

 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647456Fri, 22 Jan 2021 16:01:25 -00004647456@Uncensored

Right on time to continue the lock-downs indefinitely.

 

Honestly, i dont believe a thing that guy says. He waffles all the time. Even admitted he lied to the public on more than one occasion. Feeling he was the self-appointed arbitrator of truth or something. 

Thu Jan 21 2021 20:18:09 EST from zooer

Dr. Fauci says new data shows Covid vaccines appear to be less effective against some new strains
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/21/dr-fauci-says-covid-vaccines-appear-to-be-less-effective-against-some-new-strains.html

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647430Fri, 22 Jan 2021 14:19:43 -00004647430@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647395Fri, 22 Jan 2021 02:36:08 -00004647395@Uncensored

Maybe we won't be needing those solar flares after all. 

Thu Jan 21 2021 20:18:09 EST from zooer

Dr. Fauci says new data shows Covid vaccines appear to be less effective against some new strains
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/21/dr-fauci-says-covid-vaccines-appear-to-be-less-effective-against-some-new-strains.html

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647390Fri, 22 Jan 2021 01:18:09 -00004647390@Uncensored

Dr. Fauci says new data shows Covid vaccines appear to be less effective against some new strains
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/21/dr-fauci-says-covid-vaccines-appear-to-be-less-effective-against-some-new-strains.html

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647071Wed, 20 Jan 2021 16:50:11 -00004647071@Uncensored

lol

Wed Jan 20 2021 11:43:03 EST from ParanoidDelusions

And of course, then there is "a Mexican coke," and "Mexican coke." Which are also two different things. 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647070Wed, 20 Jan 2021 16:48:43 -00004647070@Uncensored

But of course, it is the Government. Don't count on them to make logical decisions that are transparently obvious. 

 

Wed Jan 20 2021 11:47:58 EST from ParanoidDelusions

 

Agreed. At 85% efficiency - distribute first doses to everyone first, then once that is taken care of, circle back and do second doses. The only people who should be priority second dose before 2nd round should be those in immediate health risk of having severe complications if the 85% isn't good enough - because face it, 99ish of those getting vaccinated would not develop severe complications even without the vaccine. 

 

Wed Jan 20 2021 11:16:36 EST from zooer

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647069Wed, 20 Jan 2021 16:47:58 -00004647069@Uncensored

Interesting. I was asking my wife about this last night, and she had no clue. Good to know. 

There is also a single dose vaccine out there, and two different two dose vaccines, I guess. 

Unfortunately, my wife has become a Biden supporter and heavy Democrat donor since taking the vaccine, and refers to me as "The anti-Democracy terrorist" all of the sudden. 

 

Agreed. At 85% efficiency - distribute first doses to everyone first, then once that is taken care of, circle back and do second doses. The only people who should be priority second dose before 2nd round should be those in immediate health risk of having severe complications if the 85% isn't good enough - because face it, 99ish of those getting vaccinated would not develop severe complications even without the vaccine. 

 

Wed Jan 20 2021 11:16:36 EST from zooer

This video made me realize a few things about the vaccine's distribution. I thought two doses were required for the vaccine to work at all. According to this video the first dose give a protection rate of 85%, the second dose increases it to 95%.  In the video they argue that giving more of the population first doses will help reduce infections and save more lives than giving fewer people two doses. 

Give as many first doses as possible, wait until production catches up and then give second doses. 

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ3DubRHSVo   

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647068Wed, 20 Jan 2021 16:43:46 -00004647068@Uncensored

soft drink. That does work on the West, and doesn't really cause any pause. 

 

Wed Jan 20 2021 10:40:44 EST from zooer

Flavored carbonated beverage.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647067Wed, 20 Jan 2021 16:43:03 -00004647067@Uncensored

Yeah, but I think the assumption in California is that if you want a flavored coke, you would ask for that specifically. 

If you ask for a "coke" on the West Coast - you're going to get a straight coke. You're going to get regular coke. 

Which makes me think... a coke, a "real-sugar coke," and a "Mexican coke" are three specifically different things. If you want either of the former two and you ask for the first one, you're going to get the first one. 

And of course, then there is "a Mexican coke," and "Mexican coke." Which are also two different things. 

Wed Jan 20 2021 10:17:10 EST from Nurb432

Well to be fair, there is a rainbow of actual coke branded flavors. Last time i was in a 5 guys they had a digital coke machine.  Cherry, vanilla, orange, zero, etc...

But ya, where i come from its all coke.  Even the stuff i make from scratch i call coke. 

Wed Jan 20 2021 10:01:50 EST from ParanoidDelusions

If you ask me if I want a coke and I say yes and you ask me what kind... 

I'm gonna look at you like you were dropped on the head as a child.

The only possible confusion is "diet or regular". 

:) 

Tsk... Southerners. 

 

Wed Jan 20 2021 09:38:48 EST from Nurb432

waaaait a moment.. its not a coke?? them there is fightin words.

 

 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647066Wed, 20 Jan 2021 16:39:21 -00004647066@Uncensored

I think it is pretty standard US speak for sure - but I think that you're way more likely to have someone in New York as you if you "wanna pop widdat?" 

Where anywhere in California, that will get you a raised eyebrow and a, "Oh, youse guys got pops? Wha flavas youse gaht, huh Vinnie?" in response.  

Wed Jan 20 2021 10:08:12 EST from LoanShark

That's Californian? Seems perfectly natural to me. It's also New England/New York speak, and it's obviously the one true english

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647057Wed, 20 Jan 2021 16:16:36 -00004647057@Uncensored

This video made me realize a few things about the vaccine's distribution. I thought two doses were required for the vaccine to work at all. According to this video the first dose give a protection rate of 85%, the second dose increases it to 95%.  In the video they argue that giving more of the population first doses will help reduce infections and save more lives than giving fewer people two doses. 

Give as many first doses as possible, wait until production catches up and then give second doses. 

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ3DubRHSVo   

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647055Wed, 20 Jan 2021 16:07:29 -00004647055@Uncensored

There is one in every crowd.  Just wants to see the world burn.

 

:)

Wed Jan 20 2021 10:40:44 EST from zooer

Flavored carbonated beverage.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647051Wed, 20 Jan 2021 15:40:44 -00004647051@Uncensored

Flavored carbonated beverage.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647046Wed, 20 Jan 2021 15:17:10 -00004647046@Uncensored

Well to be fair, there is a rainbow of actual coke branded flavors. Last time i was in a 5 guys they had a digital coke machine.  Cherry, vanilla, orange, zero, etc...

But ya, where i come from its all coke.  Even the stuff i make from scratch i call coke. 

Wed Jan 20 2021 10:01:50 EST from ParanoidDelusions

If you ask me if I want a coke and I say yes and you ask me what kind... 

I'm gonna look at you like you were dropped on the head as a child.

The only possible confusion is "diet or regular". 

:) 

Tsk... Southerners. 

 

Wed Jan 20 2021 09:38:48 EST from Nurb432

waaaait a moment.. its not a coke?? them there is fightin words.

 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647045Wed, 20 Jan 2021 15:08:12 -00004647045@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647042Wed, 20 Jan 2021 15:01:50 -00004647042@Uncensored

If you ask me if I want a coke and I say yes and you ask me what kind... 

I'm gonna look at you like you were dropped on the head as a child.

The only possible confusion is "diet or regular". 

:) 

Tsk... Southerners. 

 

Wed Jan 20 2021 09:38:48 EST from Nurb432

waaaait a moment.. its not a coke?? them there is fightin words.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4647034Wed, 20 Jan 2021 14:38:48 -00004647034@Uncensored

waaaait a moment.. its not a coke?? them there is fightin words.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4646860Tue, 19 Jan 2021 17:55:13 -00004646860@Uncensored

I figured out side was a regional variation of "out sick". 

In Ohio, he "called off..." 

Kind of like the first time someone asked me, "are you going to come with?" 

"Uh... come with what?" 

I speak Californian. It is a soda, not a pop, not a coke. It is a couch, not a davenport, and it is dinner, not supper. 

Hella. 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4646842Tue, 19 Jan 2021 16:08:44 -00004646842@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4646841Tue, 19 Jan 2021 16:08:23 -00004646841@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4646840Tue, 19 Jan 2021 16:05:58 -00004646840@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4646286Sun, 17 Jan 2021 03:02:57 -00004646286@Uncensored

Yes, the testing is free... provided it meets the criteria for the free test.

The insurance company doesn't want people "just checking to be sure"  

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4646283Sun, 17 Jan 2021 02:41:04 -00004646283@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4646261Sun, 17 Jan 2021 00:42:31 -00004646261@Uncensored

Maybe it has something to do with local labs being able to process the demand. 

 

Sat Jan 16 2021 09:13:21 EST from Nurb432

Wife got tested recently, they required a doctor's order to even make the appointment.   In our case payment was a secondary issue.

I know other tests require it, i dont see why this would be different. ( not that i agree, it should be up to you if you want to pay for it... )

Fri Jan 15 2021 18:54:48 EST from zooer

Walgreens: "You should contact your insurer to confirm the test will meet coverage criteria before scheduling a test. "

 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4646133Sat, 16 Jan 2021 14:13:21 -00004646133@Uncensored

Wife got tested recently, they required a doctor's order to even make the appointment.   In our case payment was a secondary issue.

I know other tests require it, i dont see why this would be different. ( not that i agree, it should be up to you if you want to pay for it... )

Fri Jan 15 2021 18:54:48 EST from zooer

Walgreens: "You should contact your insurer to confirm the test will meet coverage criteria before scheduling a test. "

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4645980Sat, 16 Jan 2021 00:15:36 -00004645980@Uncensored

Have you been exposed to a known infectious individual? 
Do you have symptoms? 

These will, I think generally qualify you as medically necessary. 

If it is just to assess health status - as stated - then you've got to pay out of pocket. 

We may have paid out of pocket. 

Fri Jan 15 2021 19:09:38 EST from zooer

[YOUR INSURANCE] covers the cost of COVID-19 testing that has been deemed medically necessary at no cost share to members.

[YOUR INSURANCE] does not reimburse for COVID-19 tests performed on an asymptomatic individual solely to assess health status, even if required by parties such as government/public health agencies, employers, common carriers, schools, or camps, or when ordered upon the request of a member solely to facilitate the member’s desire to self-assess COVID-19 immune status.

See this is the problem, what is medically necessary?  

 

I have heard many people saying they have had multiple tests.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4645979Sat, 16 Jan 2021 00:09:38 -00004645979@Uncensored

[YOUR INSURANCE] covers the cost of COVID-19 testing that has been deemed medically necessary at no cost share to members.

[YOUR INSURANCE] does not reimburse for COVID-19 tests performed on an asymptomatic individual solely to assess health status, even if required by parties such as government/public health agencies, employers, common carriers, schools, or camps, or when ordered upon the request of a member solely to facilitate the member’s desire to self-assess COVID-19 immune status.

See this is the problem, what is medically necessary?  

 

I have heard many people saying they have had multiple tests.

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I suppose then it depends on your insurer - unless you want to self pay. Did you ask how much self pay was? I'm sure that is an option. 

 

Fri Jan 15 2021 18:54:48 EST from zooer

Walgreens: "You should contact your insurer to confirm the test will meet coverage criteria before scheduling a test. "

 

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Walgreens: "You should contact your insurer to confirm the test will meet coverage criteria before scheduling a test. "

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I've had 4. 

Try CVS or Walgreen and check out their portals. 

Fri Jan 15 2021 16:41:19 EST from zooer

I tried searching for an answer but didn't find an answer.  When I sent a patient portal message to my P.C. I had a non-answer as well.

 

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I tried searching for an answer but didn't find an answer.  When I sent a patient portal message to my P.C. I had a non-answer as well.

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Do you need a prescription to get a COVID-19 test or can you just go to the testing center with some symptoms? 

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I have been really bad about that this week.  My normal DailyDriver is getting a rear main seal replaced and went in last Thursday ( I can do it, i just dont feel like dealing with it mid-winter ) so driving another car.  The DD normally has the mask already there. So several trips i have ended up mask-less and no one batted an eye.  Took me several days just to remember to put a mask in the car.  Just in time to get the other one back later today :)  

Not that it would normally the shop a week +, but they were short handed so i told them to take care of customers that only had one car and are in a bind before me. I can wait.

 

Thu Jan 14 2021 21:01:56 EST from zooer

Yesterday I was at a locally owned HEALTH food store, the clientele tends to lean to the left (Parking lot filled with Biden bumper stickers) and would be more apt to follow proper COVID safety protocols.  (As opposed to my mechanic shop that doesn't seem to care)

I chatted with the owner as I walked in, I waved hello to another employee.  After shopping for a bit I noticed I wasn't wearing a mask.  No one said anything.  I spoke with the owner, he didn't say anything.I have a reusable cloth mask in the car for my everyday usual mask.  I do carry disposable masks in my jacket, so I put a mask on but I was still shocked no one said anything. 

 

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Yesterday I was at a locally owned HEALTH food store, the clientele tends to lean to the left (Parking lot filled with Biden bumper stickers) and would be more apt to follow proper COVID safety protocols.  (As opposed to my mechanic shop that doesn't seem to care)

I chatted with the owner as I walked in, I waved hello to another employee.  After shopping for a bit I noticed I wasn't wearing a mask.  No one said anything.  I spoke with the owner, he didn't say anything.I have a reusable cloth mask in the car for my everyday usual mask.  I do carry disposable masks in my jacket, so I put a mask on but I was still shocked no one said anything. 

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It is strange living in the middle of a mass hysteria. It makes me wonder if maybe at some point some grain with a fungus in it got into the world food supply. 

But the stranger thing is that this mass hysteria, is evidence that one of the previous ones wasn't as much of a hysteria as the conventional wisdom would have us believe. (emphasis below mine)

https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/educational-resources/age-of-eisenhower/mcarthyism-red-scare


"In the early 1950s, American leaders repeatedly told the public that they should be fearful of subversive Communist influence in their lives. Communists could be lurking anywhere, using their positions as school teachers, college professors, labor organizers, artists, or journalists to aid the program of world Communist domination. This

Wed Jan 13 2021 13:53:27 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

That's how it works. We are living in a time of mass hysteria. Everyone knows that the virus is real, but any disagreement on the details, the nature, the epidemiology, efficacy of treatments, etc. is considered to be a deliberate disinformation campaign by someone. And there's not a single party anywhere who isn't guilty of this. 

 

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(continued)  Her other daughter's husband had COVID as well.  

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One of my sisters has tested positive.  She works at a detox center and usually if a person is admitted they probably are not taking good care of themselves as it is.  

At the same time she has an adult daughter who has not problem to be out and about socializing and having a good time.  "I am going away this weekend!!!!"

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4645437Wed, 13 Jan 2021 18:53:27 -00004645437@UncensoredEveryone is always telling me about these people who think Covid is a >hoax. I wish I could meet these people for myself. That's how it works. We are living in a time of mass hysteria. Everyone knows that the virus is real, but any disagreement on the details, the nature, the epidemiology, efficacy of treatments, etc. is considered to be a deliberate disinformation campaign by someone. And there's not a single party anywhere who isn't guilty of this. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4645225Tue, 12 Jan 2021 22:32:08 -00004645225@Uncensored

I appreciate that I've fooled you into thinking I am capable of following along when you get this deep. 

But I'm over here going... 



Oh wait... I read it again for comprehension - and I get what you're saying... 

I mean, it is a possible conclusion. Let me put it this way - I filed it away and said, "I'm going to proceed as if it IS true that infection MAY only grant partial immunity." 

The problem with all the research right now is it hasn't been replicated enough in independent studies. 

I also think the partisan split on the virus and how to respond to it is making the science far more imperfect than if there wasn't a partisan split on the issue. If someone comes up with a study that doesn't support the Left agenda on Covid-19, that study g

Tue Jan 12 2021 17:01:33 EST from LoanShark

2021-01-12 16:01 from ParanoidDelusions
Also - they believe the reinfection rate is about 58% right now. 58%
of people who had it get re-infected with it.

Last I heard. 

I posted something like that based on the Pfizer data. Think about the Poisson distribution and odds ratios. You get X number of infections in the no-prior-infections, placebo arm of the Pfizer study. And you get Y number of REinfections in the previously-infected, placebo arm of the study. If X and Y are such that prior infection prevented 58% of the reinfections that would otherwise have occurred in the same amount of time (which is where it relates to the Poisson distribution), then was it fair for me to say "57 or 58% effective?" See what I mean?

 

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Also - they believe the reinfection rate is about 58% right now. 58% of people who had it get re-infected with it.

Last I heard. 

 

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Imagine you can sell everyone a seasonal flu shot, in the WORLD every year... 

Or you can cure it once. 

I'm not sure I trust that the science is so good that they can pinpoint the precise DATE when Covid-19 jumped from wherever it originated to humanity. 

I would *guess* that "It looks like around October 19th is our best guess, but it could have been months earlier, or even a little later, than we believe." 

But even if it was October 19th - That still works within the window of when I suspect it was already travelling through the Western United States. 

Reaching as far West as Arizona by the late November.

 

Tue Jan 12 2021 15:02:01 EST from zooer

Moderna thinks its vaccine will protect against the coronavirus for at least a year.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/health/moderna-covid-vaccine-protection/index.html

 

I thought it would be a long term solution.  

 

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Moderna thinks its vaccine will protect against the coronavirus for at least a year.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/health/moderna-covid-vaccine-protection/index.html

 

I thought it would be a long term solution.  

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Sun Jan 10 2021 09:03:13 AM EST from LoanShark

Talked to my aunt. She and her husband have recovered now. Whew. She had it pretty bad, he had it kinda mild. She will likely get the vaccine soon-ish, works in a hospital.

 

Once you have it you are not immune, you would need to get the vaccine?

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4645153Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:40:25 -00004645153@Uncensored 2021-01-11 19:06 from ParanoidDelusions >The original tweet probably meant, "I think Covid has been >transferring among human populations earlier than the conventional >wisdom accepts." clearly it did. If the common ancestor dates to Oct19 using the standard models, however, that points to Oct19 as the date that it jumped species. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4645138Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:51:12 -00004645138@Uncensored

Good for her.

Tho if she had it, shes got antibodies already. 

TSun Jan 10 2021 09:03:13 EST from LoanShark

Talked to my aunt. She and her husband have recovered now. Whew. She had it pretty bad, he had it kinda mild. She will likely get the vaccine soon-ish, works in a hospital.

 

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The original tweet probably meant, "I think Covid has been transferring among human populations earlier than the conventional wisdom accepts."

Lots of people think this.

Twitter encourages people to say things briefly and hope people will parse the intention correctly, and they hardly ever do. It is one of the reasons Twitter sucks.

 

Mon Jan 11 2021 16:19:30 EST from LoanShark

Tweet> "I believe Covid is older than is generally accepted"
Reply> "Every organism or virus currently around is evolutionary 'old', as we can always find related taxa. Though, the most recent common ancestor of all #SARSCoV2 isolates we've sampled dates back to ~October 2019."

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1348716416351039488

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4644931Mon, 11 Jan 2021 21:19:30 -00004644931@Uncensored "I believe Covid is older than is generally accepted" Reply> "Every organism or virus currently around is evolutionary 'old', as we can always find related taxa. Though, the most recent common ancestor of all #SARSCoV2 isolates we've sampled dates back to ~October 2019." https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1348716416351039488 ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4644903Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:07:47 -00004644903@Uncensored1 year for more transmissible lineages to evolve? Those mutations have been around for many months (E484K was first observed in March and N501Y in April). The original comment: "While the single 501Y mutations causes a ~2.5x higher affinity to Ace2, the double mutation results in a ~13x higher affinity to Ace2 compared to the WT version. https://biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.06.425392v1.full.pdf 3/n" Read thread for the rest. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4644796Mon, 11 Jan 2021 11:35:04 -00004644796@Uncensored 2021-01-10 09:03 from LoanShark > > Talked to my aunt. She and her husband have recovered now. Whew. She >had it pretty bad, he had it kinda mild. She will likely get the >vaccine soon-ish, works in a hospital. > > That is great news. I have heard some family members got it recently, but so far they are fine. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4644564Sun, 10 Jan 2021 14:03:13 -00004644564@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4644563Sun, 10 Jan 2021 14:00:33 -00004644563@Uncensored 2021-01-09 00:17 from ParanoidDelusions >This one is different. I've had a few really bad fews, and also had >adult Chicken Pox at 45. Swam through all of them.  I have prehypertension or stage 1 hypertension. Fluctuate above and below (mostly above tbh) the 140/90 mark, but not on meds. Thing is, the virus goes straight for ACE2 receptors and with all these findings--well I'm sure you've read them, no need for me to recap. I did have some BP spikes and tachycardia. My friend from the PDX area who I mentioned, was having continued BP spikes a couple months after recovery. That was why I said to him, "I think it was covid." ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4644379Sat, 09 Jan 2021 18:45:21 -00004644379@Uncensored

I know of perhaps 10 people that have had it personally. ( not friend of a friend sort of event but real people i really have talked to or witnessed )

2 went into ICU due to other major conditions. In their case i suspect any illness would have pushed them over the edge. They were a disaster just waiting to happen. One of them drug it out and refused to go get help when he first got sick. Could have avoided ICU that way i would imagine.

1 also went to ICU within a couple of days of falling ill. i dont think he had anything underlying. After ventilator for a week, then drugs and stuff for perhaps 3, he was back to normal. Other than being weak from being in bed so long of course.   Month later, never even knew it happened. This back in march, during the height of 'wtf is going on'

The rest were like me and wife, felt like poo for a couple of weeks then got on with life.

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This one is different. I've had a few really bad fews, and also had adult Chicken Pox at 45. Swam through all of them. 

This one... I think *I* should be careful. I've got a pre-existing condition that seems very vulnerable to the way *this* virus attacks. I think we need more *honesty*. I should be afraid. You probably shoulnd't. Wouldn't that be better? But instead, they use fear as a political wedge and leverage. So you don't know, and I don't, either. Because if you and I get it and you live and I die, that is fuel for their political fire. 

Fri Jan 08 2021 08:26:07 EST from Nurb432

Just like regular flu or common cold. or most any other ailment. People react differently. 

The fact that the % of severe reactions is so low, goes to show you about the overreaction that has been forced upon us.   Sure, dont be stupid and use some common sense, just like you should due during a normal flu season anyway, but you dont hide in your house in fear and shut down the world.  Will we lose a few people anyway? ya, but we do that with everything else too. Its just part of life, there are no guarantees.

 

Thu Jan 07 2021 22:03:49 EST from LoanShark

I don't get this virus.

Right. I mean it's kinda crazy how it affects some people not at all, and others brutally.

A friend from the Portland area had "antibiotic resistent pneumonia, probably viral" with multiple ground glass opacities throughout the month of February. Which initially, people thought that couldn't have been covid because of the timing. It was brutal for him. I spoke to him a little about some symptom details details afterward, and I do think it was covid. He had to get on a plane to go see his sick parents. Me: "It was covid. You're immune. Focus on your folks."

 

 

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The correct link is:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.07.21249390v1
http://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.07.21249390v1

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4644095Fri, 08 Jan 2021 22:01:41 -00004644095@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4644007Fri, 08 Jan 2021 16:02:30 -00004644007@Uncensored 2021-01-07 21:47 from zooer >To quote my niece's husband (COVID survivor)... "I want to tell all >the non-believers.... this is no fucking joke." > Yeah, the whole thing is weird. I got it and didn't realize I had it til I got tested. Same for my family . Then some 18 yo gets it end develops permanent lung damage. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4644002Fri, 08 Jan 2021 15:50:36 -00004644002@Uncensored

 

Fri Jan 08 2021 12:52:18 AM EST from ParanoidDelusions

I think the problem is... 

Thu Jan 07 2021 21:47:28 EST from zooer

To quote my niece's husband (COVID survivor)... "I want to tell all the non-believers.... this is no fucking joke."

 

They live in South Carolina, which doesn't have a mask mandate and seemed very relaxed about the issue.  No one seemed to be worried about it.

He caught it from one of his employees, that person tested positive but came to work, wearing a mask. He didn't stay long, he needed to pick something up.  The employee only had minor symptoms.

No one seemed to be worried about spreading it, no one seemed to be worried about contracting it.  (until they did)

When my niece was giving birth to her daughter in May, she had friends take care of her two other children.  It wasn't as if they were social distancing or worried about spreading it.  Her husband was the only one allowed into the hospital, one visitor only.

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Wow i should to back to bed. That post really sucked for writing. 

 

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Ironically, except for work we pretty much live like this anyway. Not a fan of people, so we rarely go out to 'do stuff', beyond shopping for food and stuff.  Walk or drive to the park and such, but its just me and a dog, not a flesh and germ party or something.

No one ever comes visit here either. But that is normal for us. Perhaps visit family a couple times a year. 

For me, working from home 100% is a great thing and not really a 'hardship' like its is for some and a good thing. ( and i'm still working, i realize some are not anymore, that is different ). It used to be ~25% until march of last year so other than the duration and volume ( from a few thousand to nearly 50000 ), so not a new concept for our office either. Even at the office, in our department, most of us keep to our selves most of the time.  Of course there is interaction, but i doubt as much as many offices. Other than project meetings, most of us have 'stuff' to do that is between us and the terminal.  Most of our communication is via email or my ticketing system.

 

Fri Jan 08 2021 01:07:31 EST from ParanoidDelusions

And honestly, Loan Shark, despite all our ideological differences on the virus, our household is living pretty much like you are - in some ways, stricter... being a monogamous couple helps, there.
 

 

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Just like regular flu or common cold. or most any other ailment. People react differently. 

The fact that the % of severe reactions is so low, goes to show you about the overreaction that has been forced upon us.   Sure, dont be stupid and use some common sense, just like you should due during a normal flu season anyway, but you dont hide in your house in fear and shut down the world.  Will we lose a few people anyway? ya, but we do that with everything else too. Its just part of life, there are no guarantees.

 

Thu Jan 07 2021 22:03:49 EST from LoanShark

I don't get this virus.

Right. I mean it's kinda crazy how it affects some people not at all, and others brutally.

A friend from the Portland area had "antibiotic resistent pneumonia, probably viral" with multiple ground glass opacities throughout the month of February. Which initially, people thought that couldn't have been covid because of the timing. It was brutal for him. I spoke to him a little about some symptom details details afterward, and I do think it was covid. He had to get on a plane to go see his sick parents. Me: "It was covid. You're immune. Focus on your folks."

 

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And honestly, Loan Shark, despite all our ideological differences on the virus, our household is living pretty much like you are - in some ways, stricter... being a monogamous couple helps, there.

But yeah, we've had to make some trips... to California, to Chicago. By plane.


We've ate in restaurants a couple times.

But - not inside since the spike came back - even before, when it looked like it was coming back, when the scientists we don't necessarily trust and think are partisan said, "it is going to come back, harder..." and others were saying, "It is going to come back, and be bigger, but it'll be weaker..."

We err on the side of caution. I think of GW Bush and his famous, "wouldn't be prudent" approach to risk. Overall, I'm trying to play very conservative hands.

I'm 50, I've BEEN pre-diabetic - I edge in and out of it... I've been pre-hypertension... I edge in and out of it... and I've had diagnosed heart arrhythmia episodes since I wa

 
The only thing I know for certain is some day, something is going to punch my ticket. I'd rather it be later than sooner, presently - although I may live to rethink that, the way the world is going.

 

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And it also divided the public and created the damn "Do nothing" crowd who were still having huge parties and going clubbing and engaging in hookups. They made young people feel immune at the start, too. That was a mistake. Tell the most social group in society, "You'll probably be fine," when they don't really see beyond their own sense of immortality. If we were going to lie to ANYONE to scare them, maybe teens and young adults is where we should have started.

"It'll make your pecker shrivel up and you'll start voting conservative and laughing at your dad's jokes."

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I think the problem is there are entire circles of people who - everyone they know came out on the other side going, "It isn't even as bad as a cold," and some of them should, by media accounts, be dead.

Then there are people who know people who by media accounts, should have died, who did die.

And then there is another group, who almost everyone they know came out going, "It isn't even as bad as a cold," until ONE of them, who should have been fine, ended up on a ventilator in ICU or dead.

And that creates a lot of confusion - and the media should have addressed that more honestly, sooner - but they didn't, because they were complicit in politicizing it because they despised the particular man in the Oval Office at the time it hit.

If it had been a Democrat President in office when Covid arrived, we would all be

A: Better Informed

B: Less freaked out.

I truly believe this - and it is the biggest crime politicians have perpe

 

Thu Jan 07 2021 21:47:28 EST from zooer

To quote my niece's husband (COVID survivor)... "I want to tell all the non-believers.... this is no fucking joke."

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4643831Fri, 08 Jan 2021 03:10:49 -00004643831@Uncensored So since March I can count, on the fingers of one hand, the numbers of Maybe two hands. Did I mention I'm quasi-polyamorous these days? Been to an umm "friend"'s house, or had her in my car for extended periods, a handful of times over the summer. She takes some precautions, not as many as I do, gets tested a lot. We try to do what makes sense. What boggles my mind is the do-nothing-about-it crowd. We take all the precautions we can bear to take. That's about how to sum it up. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4643826Fri, 08 Jan 2021 03:03:49 -00004643826@UncensoredI don't get this virus. Right. I mean it's kinda crazy how it affects some people not at all, and others brutally. A friend from the Portland area had "antibiotic resistent pneumonia, probably viral" with multiple ground glass opacities throughout the month of February. Which initially, people thought that couldn't have been covid because of the timing. It was brutal for him. I spoke to him a little about some symptom details details afterward, and I do think it was covid. He had to get on a plane to go see his sick parents. Me: "It was covid. You're immune. Focus on your folks." ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4643825Fri, 08 Jan 2021 02:58:23 -00004643825@Uncensored 2021-01-07 17:46 from ParanoidDelusions >My boss was admitted to a hospital today. 54ish, no previous >conditions, Typically fit for his age - not a total POS... he does >active things. Non smoker. Single and parties too much. Fairly >anti-mask, pro-Trump. Never really a "hoaxer", but absolutely going >to too many large social gatherings throughout this. We've got a >friend who was, "it is a hoax," at one point - and I took a fair >amount of shit for being a "Liberal sympathetic Mask wearing >Californian," at the height of it. I'm not sure how bad it is. Sounds >like he has been hit with a pretty bad pneumonia. Hopefully this is >as bad as it gets.  > >I don't get this virus. > Truthfully, we take a lot of precautions here. But we try to balance that with living our lives. Lockdown fatigue is a very real thing, even among those of us who are very committed to working from home for as long it takes. I've been working from home since March. As you recall, I got sick in March, coincidentally symptoms started to get scary bad on March 12 which was the very day before NY's PAUSE order. And it was really scary for me although my SpO2 stayed in the high 90s for the most part, I was very fatigued, and delirious at times, and having problems with blood pressure and tachycardia, and just generally miserable and terrified. Even if I was immune as a result, we didn't now that for sure, it took a long while to fully recover, and there was no way I was going to subject myself to that experience again... and I was going to try to do my part to stop transmission... so really, working from home was a no-brainer. So since March I can count, on the fingers of one hand, the numbers of times I have been inside a building (other than my own home) for longer than it takes to go to the grocery store or buy a few things at Home Depot. And those places are pretty safe, I think. But we like to go a restaurant with a nice patio, and a few times our discipline broke down when the patio wasn't offered to us and sat inside. We think that's probably where my girlfriend got covid last month--1 hour in a restaurant full of plexiglass dividers and with really quite few other people nearby. She works from home as much as possible, but is required to go into the office 1 or sometimes 2 days a week. Her team rotates who has to go in. So what I'm saying, in a long winded sort of way, are a couple different things: (1) I've said in past messages that in some cases the virus can be surprisingly hard to transmit (2) In other cases, surprisingly easy--1 hour in a restaurant? She hadn't been to the office for almost a week prior, so this is the only exposure where the timing makes a lot of sense. (3) I think it would take a superhuman effort for anyone to isolate well enough to avoid the virus entirely, for themselves. Eventually, most people will slip up. (My elderly mom is talking about going back to work part time, during tax season. Gah.) Everyone's going to get exposed to this eventually, but if enough people work to "flatten the curve" -- I'm fine with that. we need that vaccine yesterday. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4643818Fri, 08 Jan 2021 02:47:28 -00004643818@Uncensored

To quote my niece's husband (COVID survivor)... "I want to tell all the non-believers.... this is no fucking joke."

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4643817Fri, 08 Jan 2021 02:42:14 -00004643817@Uncensored I am sure there are some, but it is not a widespread opinion. I think it's widespread *in certain circles.* Waldo County Maine -- home of said uncle -- has a certain type of rural culture and very low vaccination rates. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4643816Fri, 08 Jan 2021 02:41:13 -00004643816@Uncensored 2021-01-07 14:33 from nonservator >Everyone is always telling me about these people who think Covid is a >hoax. I wish I could meet these people for myself. > Want me to introduce you to my uncle? I mean he literally said it was a hoax. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4643793Fri, 08 Jan 2021 01:32:39 -00004643793@Uncensored

I'd agree with that. 

I think a lot of people mean the same thing by "Covid is a hoax," that they mean by "Global climate change is a hoax." 

It is like the two sides speak two different languages. 

The hoax isn't the thing itself, it is how partisan interests manipulate the thing to their agenda that is the hoax. But no matter how much you clarify what you meant, the other side insists, "You are a science denier! You think God will just magically fix it! You are a superstitious deplorable!" 

 

 

Thu Jan 07 2021 19:46:32 EST from Nurb432

Virus isn't a hoax, but the reaction to it by the worlds leaders is criminal. 

 

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Virus isn't a hoax, but the reaction to it by the worlds leaders is criminal. 

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My boss was admitted to a hospital today. 54ish, no previous conditions, Typically fit for his age - not a total POS... he does active things. Non smoker. Single and parties too much. Fairly anti-mask, pro-Trump. Never really a "hoaxer", but absolutely going to too many large social gatherings throughout this. We've got a friend who was, "it is a hoax," at one point - and I took a fair amount of shit for being a "Liberal sympathetic Mask wearing Californian," at the height of it. I'm not sure how bad it is. Sounds like he has been hit with a pretty bad pneumonia. Hopefully this is as bad as it gets. 

I don't get this virus.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4643700Thu, 07 Jan 2021 21:20:48 -00004643700@Uncensored 2021-01-07 14:33 from nonservator >Everyone is always telling me about these people who think Covid is a >hoax. I wish I could meet these people for myself. > Agreed. There is a lot people claiming that the response to the virus in their respective country has been overdone, when considering the actual health threat it is, but I have not personally met anybody who thinks the virus does not exist. I am sure there are some, but it is not a widespread opinion. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4643658Thu, 07 Jan 2021 19:33:11 -00004643658@Uncensored

Everyone is always telling me about these people who think Covid is a hoax. I wish I could meet these people for myself.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4643633Thu, 07 Jan 2021 17:51:00 -00004643633@Uncensored 2021-01-06 20:40 from ParanoidDelusions >Nobody rational should accept the claim that it is a hoax at this >point, nor really - should they ever have.  True enough. My other friend, (a skiing buddy), has a son who is diametretically opposite politically. The son calls it a hoax... then turns around and tries to "clarify" that it's, umm, err, some kind of semi-hoax... and continues on with the various forms of disinformation. His facebook page read very very angry for a while. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4643478Thu, 07 Jan 2021 01:40:08 -00004643478@Uncensored

Nobody rational should accept the claim that it is a hoax at this point, nor really - should they ever have. 

 

Wed Jan 06 2021 18:03:25 EST from LoanShark

And I'm not even supposed to say anything to most of the *other* aunts/uncles on that side of the family, because there's a few people who think it's all a hoax, and there's some bad blood. The disinformation machine is tearing the family apart.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4643451Wed, 06 Jan 2021 23:03:25 -00004643451@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4643245Wed, 06 Jan 2021 03:11:35 -00004643245@Uncensored

I fixed that for you. 

 

Mon Jan 04 2021 19:44:18 EST from LoanShark

Yeah. Sure. For many most people it is mild.

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My niece and her family had a severe flu in April.  It lasted a long time and the family was exhausted.

 

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Pretty sure we had it in early February. I was in/out of doctors and hospitals several times over a 2 week period  ( kidney stone, worst yet ).  Soon after i had the strangest flu i have ever had. lasted right at 2 weeks. Wife also caught it, but with different symptoms. but also 'really odd' ones.

Might be coincidence, might not be. Not been tested for antibodies as my doctor denies its possible so wont write up a script " there is no way you had it then ". 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4642825Tue, 05 Jan 2021 03:06:42 -00004642825@Uncensored

A friend of the family nurse received the first of the two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, she said her worst reaction was a very sore arm.

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So, in the past 3 weeks I've been exposed to Covid-19, for relatively length times, indoors, without masks, by 3 different people. 

The last time I had a bad flu was after Thanksgiving, 2019. It was a weird sickness - I was tired... dog tired, I slept a bunch. I had an unproductive cough. I used Nyquil to allow me to breath at night - the first time I've used Nyquil, or any kind of medicine with an antihistamine decongestant since then, actually. I lived on tylenol. I ran a fever. I had no nausea, no aches. I do not recall if my taste or sense of smell diminished - I mean, that is a common side effect of any flu or cold, really. 

But it would be *way* early for the initial timeline. But I am on the West Coast - and lots of people have similar stories. My wife, who travels back and forth to L.A. for work, heavily at that time, once a week - came down sick shortly after me - also a kick ass flu. Our daughter never got whatever it was we had. My neighbor said that a cluster went aroun ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4640953Thu, 31 Dec 2020 21:06:44 -00004640953@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4640902Thu, 31 Dec 2020 16:47:18 -00004640902@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4640239Wed, 30 Dec 2020 02:06:39 -00004640239@Uncensored

So, in addition to having a bias: I lean right... 

I'm also kinda a dick. I have this little saying I've come up with - if you show up in a room, and everyone in the room agrees you are an asshole, you may just be in a room full of assholes. 

If EVERY room you show up in, every person in that room comes to agree that you're an asshole - they're probably not the assholes. 

That is a personal observation - but I bet it applies to more members of the BBS than just I. That might be the FIRST actual ad hominem I've actually used in this conversation. It is subtle, witty, and polite as well. 

I think we've beaten the horse of what your perception of me is, and what my perception of you is. It is also entirely possible that we're BOTH right about the other. I am certain neither of us has changed the mind of the other - and it seems pointless to go on. 

That is about as far back a

 

 

Tue Dec 29 2020 18:23:34 EST from LoanShark Subject: Re: 5FE57B65-0046C2BB@uncensored.citadel.org

Nothing personal but you're kinda digging yourself deeper here.

You have every right to discuss your personal perspective and bias. But everyone has certain perspective and inherent bias, so that doesn't make them valid as a point of attack, necessarily.

You've actually been extremely honest about your own personal perspective bias, and that's a point in your favor. But it's still bias.

And you're still kinda being a dick. If you don't like the links I post, it's easy for you to just scroll on by.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4640189Tue, 29 Dec 2020 23:47:47 -00004640189@Uncensored Yeah but last time I talked to somebody who knew what he was talking >about, the dose at which invermectine is being "said" to affect the >virus is the same dose that screws you up big time. That's an in vivo vs in vitro problem. The IC50 was measured in vitro, but it corresponds to a crazy dose in vivo... In vivo there are a lot of other things going on. The immune system is helping with the fight. Then you think about delivery systems (IV? tablet? topical? buccal? nasal spray?) A lot of the studies that I found were positive. [1; Some even found overwhelming statistical significance. But still... there are some things that don't add up. When you find statistical significance, you only know one thing: something happened that cannot be explained by randomness. So then what is the actual explanation? ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4640183Tue, 29 Dec 2020 23:38:51 -00004640183@UncensoredI'm not slinging mud. But I do think it is a legitimate observation >as a relative newcomer here to note, "You seem to shoot down the >credibility of anything that offers a positive take on this >situation, but seem to accept without question anything that has a >negative take on it." Thanks for a pretty constructive post. I'm just going to quote this one part of it. The rest I think is constructive. (a) You're pretty goddamn biased. (b) If you read back weeks and weeks in this room, I was actually pretty explicit about what you're getting at here. There are two things going on. One, an organized disinformation campaign that I object to. Two, a tendency on the right to underestimate/minimize/ignore the risks, even to the point of trafficking in disinformation. Your bias? You think in terms of "only liberals believe that." And there's a legitimate tendency to point out the uncertainties in predictive forecasting (predictions are hard, especially when they're about the future) but that's also a form of bias. I could go on. You're biased. Everyone's biased. Deal with it. It's simply not productive to attack people about it--except when it escalates to bad faith. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4640179Tue, 29 Dec 2020 23:23:34 -00004640179@Uncensored 2020-12-25 14:36 from ParanoidDelusions >Subject: Re: 5FE57B65-0046C2BB@uncensored.citadel.org >You know, you can take this as an attempt to derail the conversation >into a personal attack on you... > > >Or, you can step outside yourself, and take a hard look at your >approach, and maybe improve it. It is hard to focus on if your points >are actually factual when your bias stands as such a giant >distraction to whatever point you're trying to make. Nothing personal but you're kinda digging yourself deeper here. You attack my bias because you're unable to attack the facts. That's called "ad hominem." Listen, here's the thing: you have something to contribute. You're polite--most of the time (you did stoop to name calling, but I take it as an isolated incident.) You're capable of actively listening, at times. And it's not even that I don't enjoy these conversations. But over the past several weeks of back-and-forth with you, I have noticed a very glaring pattern: let's say about 49% of what you're saying is personal anecdote. Another 49% is ad hominem--and the ad hominem is not an isolated incident, it's actually central to your whole thesis (and I'll explain what I mean by that in a minute.) Like I said, you're mostly polite. Ad hominem doesn't need to be impolite in order to be ad hominem: it just needs to be a fallacious focus on the human aspects of the discussion, or attacks on somebody's perceived bias or credibility, at the expense of the actual facts. The typical pattern with you is this: somebody you disagree with posts an article. You respond with either "only liberals believe that", or name-calling rants about nazis, or with some sort of attack on perceived credibility or bias. You have every right to discuss your personal perspective and bias. But everyone has certain perspective and inherent bias, so that doesn't make them valid as a point of attack, necessarily. You've actually been extremely honest about your own personal perspective bias, and that's a point in your favor. But it's still bias. And you're still kinda being a dick. If you don't like the links I post, it's easy for you to just scroll on by. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4638718Mon, 28 Dec 2020 00:16:31 -00004638718@Uncensored

I was... "dialing it down." 

:/

 

Sat Dec 26 2020 07:00:38 EST from nonservator

>just as much

 

Nah.

 

Both sides are not "just as bad".

 

*Res ipsa loquitor*.

 

Off to Rants.

 

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4638710Mon, 28 Dec 2020 00:04:12 -00004638710@Uncensored 2020-12-23 14:29 from IGnatius T Foobar >> Also, take care with invermectine since it is toxic as heck, so >>don't overdose on it.  >> >> >> >> > > > >Isn't that how all antibiotics work?  By creating a level of >toxicity that kills the pathogen while only mildly impacting the >patient? > Yeah but last time I talked to somebody who knew what he was talking about, the dose at which invermectine is being "said" to affect the virus is the same dose that screws you up big time. I think it was Invermectine what we were talking about though. This conversation was some time ago already. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4638709Mon, 28 Dec 2020 00:02:49 -00004638709@Uncensored 2020-12-23 10:20 from ParanoidDelusions >So, Vitamin D and Zinc give you strong organisms, too?  > Zinc Gluconate has been prescribed for many purposes, including mitigating hair loss. As it happens, it seems to improve your chances against the Chinesse virus. Vitamin D is just nice to have because lots of office people is severely lacking it. They live like vampires and have no sun exposure. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4637985Sat, 26 Dec 2020 12:00:38 -00004637985@Uncensored

>just as much

 

Nah.

 

Both sides are not "just as bad".

 

*Res ipsa loquitor*.

 

Off to Rants.

 

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Not sure I can dial it back any more without just not adding my observations here. I'm actually pretty moderate. I wear masks, I supported the initial round of lockdowns and social isolation - I've consistently said I think the virus is real, and we should err on the side of caution.

When LoanShark is going about,

"Check the credibility of the right-wingers in this very room before bash my credibility in a borderline personal-attack sort of way.

Some of the arguments I'm seeing from people in this room are hypcritical and anti-science. The hypocrisy stems from this: you guys will bend over backwards to claim that vaccines that have been tested in 30,000 or 60,000 subjects are "untested" while simultaneously shilling for relatively unproven treatments that have been studied in, about the order of magnitude of 300 subjects. That, dear friends, is garbage."

I'm not disagreeing with him completely. I think that some of the concerns, especially on the Right, about

 

Fri Dec 25 2020 14:45:43 ESTfrom IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: 5FE57B65-0046C2BB@uncensored.citadel.org

Maybe dial it back a bit PD. Your adherence to the paranoid side of the equation is about as strong as LS's adherence to the official-narrative side of the equation. No need for anyone to get hostile about it. Again, there's a place for mudslinging and it isn't this room.

I do want to cite something that made me think a little. Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, a professor of medicine at Stanford, pointed out in a recent thinkpiece that we are still basing public policy regarding the plague on what we thought we knew in early March, which was that the fatality rate was 3% and that it was non-selective about who it infected.

 

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You know, you can take this as an attempt to derail the conversation into a personal attack on you...


Or, you can step outside yourself, and take a hard look at your approach, and maybe improve it. It is hard to focus on if your points are actually factual when your bias stands as such a giant distraction to whatever point you're trying to make.

Fri Dec 25 2020 12:18:21 EST from LoanShark

2020-12-25 00:40 from ParanoidDelusions
You know, you seriously have a... 

You have an unfortunate tendency to make factual discussion personal--I .


In fact, I dare say that you contribute more heat than light to much of these conversations. Kindly go away with your logical fallacies.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4637635Fri, 25 Dec 2020 17:18:21 -00004637635@Uncensored 2020-12-25 00:40 from ParanoidDelusions >You know, you seriously have a...  You have an unfortunate tendency to make factual discussion personal--I .  In fact, I dare say that you contribute more heat than light to much of these conversations. Kindly go away with your logical fallacies. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4637371Fri, 25 Dec 2020 05:40:53 -00004637371@Uncensored

You know, you seriously have a... 

"Positive data about Covid is probably suspect..." 

And 

"Negative data about Covid is probably reliable..." 

Outlook on life? 

I don't think you see it. But it is *clearly* there, looking in from the outside. Just an observation, relatively impartial. Not attacking you - but as a relative outsider who just showed up here - I absolutely see this about your posts in this room. 

I bet people who know you better do too, they just don't point it out, because they've got a relationship of some sort with you. 

 

Thu Dec 24 2020 15:42:06 EST from LoanShark

Ok, this might be important. There's some data on previous infections buried in the Pfizer vaccine trial data.

Thread: https://twitter.com/saarwilf/status/1342147589609816064

If I get the arithmetic right, previous infection only 57% effective at preventing future infection.
I mean this is all pretty preliminary, and there are probably some caveats, buf it this is the only data you have, like you don't just ignore it. The author of this thread seems to do a good job of drawing only a narrow conclusion: "Nevertheless, we can now finally say with some certainty that getting Covid does not provide STRONG immunity, even for a few months"


...

Personally, I'm still sharing a house with a person who tested positive, despite the availability of free hotel rooms in NYC for people like me. Hmmm.....

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4637209Thu, 24 Dec 2020 20:48:21 -00004637209@Uncensored Personally, I'm still sharing a house with a person who tested >positive, despite the availability of free hotel rooms in NYC for >people like me. Hmmm..... (She's on day 10 of symptoms, and I tested negative on Tuesday and remain healthy. Nonetheless, I can safely draw a conclusion that this is the lousiest Christmas present EVAR.) ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4637203Thu, 24 Dec 2020 20:42:06 -00004637203@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4637200Thu, 24 Dec 2020 20:34:28 -00004637200@Uncensored 2020-12-23 18:37 from IGnatius T Foobar >I might be intolerant of Z-pack. The only time I took it I vomited it >up a few minutes later. Not sure if I was just having a bad day or if >it doesn't work for me. I was ready to try it again if I needed it as >part of a cocktail. Oh yeah, did I mention I was taking my antibiotics as part of a self-administered cocktail... of the whiskey variety. Maybe I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. Slight chance it explains these reaction? ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4637169Thu, 24 Dec 2020 19:12:09 -00004637169@Uncensored

Is Z-pack one of those white rappers?

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Wed Dec 23 2020 14:58:32 EST from LoanShark

mIND bLOWING! ;)

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4636238Wed, 23 Dec 2020 20:03:51 -00004636238@UncensoredIsn't that how all antibiotics work?  By creating a level of >toxicity that kills the pathogen while only mildly impacting the >patient? Did I mention I broke my metatarsal and had surgery last month? I had a childhood allergy to amoxicillin, and I'm told that means I should avoid the entire penicillin family. And I made the surgical team aware of that fact. They gave me IV clindamycin as a prophylactic in the OR. And prescribed more clindamycin after the 1-week post-op checkup because I was looking infected. I got through about day 5-6 on clindamycin before I broke out in hives. They switched me to azithromycin - yes, the infamous "Z pac" Hard to tell what's what, but it seemed like I was allergic to that too. At this point, in my 42 year lifespan, the only antibiotic I've had (that I know of; don't have detailed history on everything) that I WASN'T allergic to was, I think, doxycycline. ivermectin can be neurotoxic... ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4636231Wed, 23 Dec 2020 19:58:32 -00004636231@Uncensored 2020-12-23 10:20 from ParanoidDelusions >So, Vitamin D and Zinc give you strong organisms, too?  > mIND bLOWING! ;) ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4636210Wed, 23 Dec 2020 19:29:31 -00004636210@Uncensored

Also, take care with invermectine since it is toxic as heck, so don't overdose on it. 

Isn't that how all antibiotics work?  By creating a level of toxicity that kills the pathogen while only mildly impacting the patient?

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So, Vitamin D and Zinc give you strong organisms, too? 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4635740Wed, 23 Dec 2020 09:57:53 -00004635740@Uncensored 2020-12-21 10:48 from zooer >Can I get the apple flavored paste? > Yes but it sucks. My horses prefer the real apple. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4635739Wed, 23 Dec 2020 09:57:29 -00004635739@UncensoredThe word for today is ivermectin. Prescription for humans, you can >get an apple-flavored paste for your horse. Two dozen medical studies >including ten random controlled trials. We've known since summer it >interrupts Covid progression; known since early fall that it stops >transmission. p value for post-exposure prophylaxis of <0.0001, gold >standard level evidence. 90% effective through all stages of the >disease, prevents 50 to 70% of deaths in the critically ill. Used for >decades, dispensed by non-medically trained persons in many parts of >the world. Safer than aspirin. You take two pills - not two a day, >two total - and it costs two bucks. My horses hate the flavoured invermectine pastes. Now I am worried that we will do what we always do and abuse invermectine until it generates resistences are it is no longer useful. Invermectine and Prazycuentel are the last two dewormers that reliabily work. Also, take care with invermectine since it is toxic as heck, so don't overdose on it. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4635738Wed, 23 Dec 2020 09:52:04 -00004635738@UncensoredTake at least 5,000 IU of vitamin D a day, along with at least a gram >of vitamin C, and some zinc with quercitin. > >  > >Along with hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin shows great promise for >early treatment. You know, I have been recently notified that my organism is so fearsome in might, that it got the virus and obliterated it without bothering to tell me I had it. I blame this on the fact I was taking D Vitamin and Zinc Gluconate well before the vit D and zinc craze got started. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4635488Wed, 23 Dec 2020 02:48:55 -00004635488@Uncensored

I'm just over here being a  podunk deplorable, wearing my tin foil hat and not trusting big pharma or the American Left on any position they take. 

It is mostly based on anecdotal experience with the Left. Almost every other time they told me I was just being paranoid... it turns out, I wasn't. Exactly what I thought they had in mind long term was exactly what they HAD in mind long term. 

So... I'm just goan sit here by the far and be oneadem ignant 'merican hillbillies and not really trust the narrative coming from the political elite. 

Tue Dec 22 2020 16:04:09 EST from LoanShark

Call me an armchair epidemiologist if you want. I'm basically regurgitating the red flags that FDA itself (among others) have raised.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4635371Tue, 22 Dec 2020 21:04:09 -00004635371@UncensoredAnd statisticians. See: HOW TO LIE WITH STATISTICS. That is correct. The p-value isn't everything. In actual practice, advisory panels sit around and argue about sources of biasness... Karl and friends aren't getting traction with citing a small number of early studies, no matter how statistically significant, to argue for an EUA or whatever... because that isn't how science is done, really, at least not at this country's FDA. It's interesting what's happening with this drug in Latin America. A couple countries have opened up access to it but it's flying off the shelves in panic buying. Those countries were clear and explicit: "this is not proven effective. You can use it anyway." Now in those countries it's becoming difficult to study in a proper trial because nobody can be recruited because they already bought it at the pharmacy. I guess we'll see about effectiveness soon enough. Singapore is running a 5000-person clinical trial. A prophylactic that flies off the shelf in panic buying is no longer a prophylactic, and is no longer available for its on-label use either. It is kinda reminiscent of HCQ. And the pharmacokinetics of this drug don't make sense. The IC50 in vitro was 100x the heretofore accepted dose and looks like 10x a maximum plausible safe dose. One trial at the normal dose found a lack of effectiveness. So. Needs to be studied. Call me an armchair epidemiologist if you want. I'm basically regurgitating the red flags that FDA itself (among others) have raised. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4635368Tue, 22 Dec 2020 20:51:41 -00004635368@UncensoredPerhaps one of the worst effects of the China virus is that it turned >everyone into armchair epidemiologists. In just about exactly the same way as the subprime crisis turned everyone into armchair central bankers, which is what gave us the abovementioned fella Karl Denninger :) ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4635101Tue, 22 Dec 2020 13:55:25 -00004635101@Uncensored

And statisticians. See: HOW TO LIE WITH STATISTICS.

 

In any case, it would be horribly selfish of me to demand that I be vaccinated before all the seniors and black American citizens.

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Yup. That convinced me. I'm all in on your side, now... even though there aren't sides here. 

It *seems* like there are sides here though - and you're on one of 'em. 

Anyhow, we survive the next 3 months probably like my 72 year old father-in-law with Diabetes did... 

If we catch it, we seek treatment as soon as possible. 


It appears the second spike in Arizona is in declining, looking at today's charts. 

Or... we could over-react and live in crushing fear. I guess that is an option too... 

Mon Dec 21 2020 21:23:01 EST from LoanShark

Denninger is a loon... ...Unlike some of the Dunning-Kruger poster children out there, I don't think I'm better at
this than the FDA. They are very much looking at this, having discussions; the news articles are only hours old in some cases.

There are no "sides" here. This is a friendly (as friendly as possible/practical) discussion about how the fuck we survive the next
3 months.


End of the day - this thing will continue to be studied. That's what's appropriate, and that's *all* that's appropriate.

 

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We're going to try consolidating the response to those responses down to one single reply. 1st off, when I make a post and I get several posts in response back from the same person - I tend to think that they're getting themselves more worked up as they read or think or process what I've said. I do that, myself. 

I'm not quoting you at all. I'm tell you what it looks like from the opposition's perspective. What it sounds like to us. I'm not putting words INTO your mouth, I'm parsing what the words of your political ideology *sound* like to us. 

You didn't say it like you said below, the first time around. You said something, I told you how that came across to my ears, and you restated your position in a way that is far clearer about your position. 

Win-win. 

We don't need a vaccine if we have something already out there that works. This is a true statement. The only people that need a vaccine if we have treatments that work are the people that make the vacci

Mon Dec 21 2020 15:09:31 EST from LoanShark

Additionally, the counterpoints you make all seem to be, 

"There were irregularities with these studies, let's throw the baby
out with the bathwater and not waste our time here, and instead
focusing on what we told you was the only reasonable response." 

You're just misquoting me here. This thing needs to be studied more, that's all, because the level of evidence currently does not support even Emergency Use Authorization. The data does all slightly lean towards "might be effective", but that's as good as it gets right now. The statement nonservator made about how we don't need a vaccine if we have something like this is an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

It's quite clear to me that you guys just don't know how the FDA approval process works. These treatments can still be tried, in the context of a study. Until there is enough evidence, there won't be EUA. That's all there is to it. There are FAQ pages up on fda.gov that explain all this. Rest assured that the FDA staff are looking at all this data and would have issued an EUA if the data had accumulated to that level

 

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At the end of 2019 I was on a Hong Kong based meme website, they were posting pictures and stories about how China was dealing with the unnamed virus.  Most stories were how wonderful China was for quickly erecting hospitals in Wuhan China and how it was caring for its people.  I didn't think the rest of the world had any cases at the time.

Very early in the year before COVID-19 became a news story my niece who lives in South Carolina entire family became sick, sicker than they every had felt before.  After the fact we wondered if it was COVID-19.  About a month ago my niece's husband tested positive for COVID-19, he could barely get out of bed.  He was isolated in the spare bed and bathroom.  The rest of the family had some mild symptoms. 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4634563Mon, 21 Dec 2020 23:04:50 -00004634563@Uncensored

I reached out to Karl Denninger, whose writings on ivermectin brought it to my attention. Here's his unedited response to your response.

 

This small study found a huge confidence interval in the Cox Proportional Hazard: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT04523831?term=ivermectin&cond=Covid19&draw=2

And did not cross 1.0 (null).  Yes, small study; that's a problem with individual small groups; they produce wide Cox ratios.

This study lacked a control group: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT04343092?term=ivermectin&cond=Covid19&draw=2&rank=7

Ridiculously small study (16?!)  Nice to pick on that one.

This study was only about post-expsure prophylaxis, and was quite small: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT04425850?term=ivermectin&cond=Covid19&draw=2&rank=10

 

And 100% effective.  And zero side effects.  Incidentally, this study looked at BOTH prophylaxis and treatment, and the p values were astounding.  Note their control, SOC for the control arm included HCQ.  This one, incidentally, is why I personally abandoned any intention to use HCQ since that was their control and the p values on clinical measurements (e.g. d-dimer, leukocytes, etc) were outrageously better on Ivermectin with many of those values having "p" values < 0.0001.

 

You can complain that this one was not double-blinded, but not much else.

 

https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-100956/v1/682247ca-ef49-4d68-aa3f-493a8fc9a056.pdf

 

Maybe some effect viral loads in this small study, but by no means a cure: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT04390022?term=ivermectin&cond=Covid19&draw=4

You're arguing 24 people makes for a worthwhile study?

this study doesn't appear blinded or placebo controlled - https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT04422561?term=ivermectin&cond=Covid19&draw=4&rank=28

Uh, how did they do follow up?  History and clinical examination.  Yes, no blinding but you went from 58.4% to 7.4% infection rates as prophylaxis and this is not significant?  Oh, and zero significant adverse effects reported and none by systematic assessment.

another study with no control group: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT04425863?term=ivermectin&cond=Covid19&draw=5&rank=37

I'd love a control group here obviously -- but how many cases do you have that are "Severe" where the mortality is zero without an interventionary treatment?  Show me one hospital with that record.  I can show you mine here in town, which is losing 29% of those who are admitted -- which is "moderate + severe", since admission is based on desaturation.

not a lot of strong evidence here. at best it kinda looks like one of those "might help a little" things, hardly a game changer. No link shown to mortality...


overall kinda similar to evidence around remdesivir. I wouldn't make too big of a deal about this one. The evidence base is small. 

* * *

80-100% reduction in transmission among households is "might help a little"?

Let's assume it only does HALF that well - - 50%.

Since the CDC says that enough Rt is found in households alone to keep the pandemic going (Rt > 1.0) if you only get half of the worst prophylaxis result in widescale use, and no other benefit at all, the entire pandemic collapses in five days.

That's the math.

Oh, and since there's no record of signifcant adverse events what's the risk?

In a pandemic you must balance risks and benefits.  The issue is not individual outcome; that's a personal benefit.  The public health issue is prophylaxis among household members with a confirmed case in the house, which is where the largest single vector is.

Cut it off and it's over.

That's why it will work -- it doesn't have to reach 80 or 100% effectiveness -- only 50% or half the lowest found effectiveness in these studies for post-exposure prophylaxis.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4634551Mon, 21 Dec 2020 22:14:05 -00004634551@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4634521Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:34:24 -00004634521@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4634503Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:16:14 -00004634503@Uncensored>Your points aren't invalid - and they deserve consideration - but >>they also come from a narrative that suffers a huge credibility issue >>on this topic, and thinking critically, I think one must weigh that >>into all the data presented.  Check the credibility of the right-wingers in this very room before bash my credibility in a borderline personal-attack sort of way. Some of the arguments I'm seeing from people in this room are hypcritical and anti-science. The hypocrisy stems from this: you guys will bend over backwards to claim that vaccines that have been tested in 30,000 or 60,000 subjects are "untested" while simultaneously shilling for relatively unproven treatments that have been studied in, about the order of magnitude of 300 subjects. That, dear friends, is garbage. I do not believe, on the basis of the data I'm seeing presented here, and I just read *all* the studies I could find on the subject, that a strong case for game-changing effectiveness has been made for this treatment. Such a case *has* been made for vaccines, and you guys are going to have to get that through your heads sooner or later becuase it's simply the truth. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4634502Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:09:31 -00004634502@UncensoredAdditionally, the counterpoints you make all seem to be,  > >"There were irregularities with these studies, let's throw the baby >out with the bathwater and not waste our time here, and instead >focusing on what we told you was the only reasonable response."  You're just misquoting me here. This thing needs to be studied more, that's all, because the level of evidence currently does not support even Emergency Use Authorization. The data does all slightly lean towards "might be effective", but that's as good as it gets right now. The statement nonservator made about how we don't need a vaccine if we have something like this is an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. It's quite clear to me that you guys just don't know how the FDA approval process works. These treatments can still be tried, in the context of a study. Until there is enough evidence, there won't be EUA. That's all there is to it. There are FAQ pages up on fda.gov that explain all this. Rest assured that the FDA staff are looking at all this data and would have issued an EUA if the data had accumulated to that level ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4634488Mon, 21 Dec 2020 19:47:43 -00004634488@Uncensored

Looking at all the evidence, then trying to decide what the most likely scenario is based on the evidence available... 

" It's just been ignored. Because it's cheap, and it works, AND IT IS ILLEGAL TO ISSUE AN EUA FOR THE VACCINE IF THERE IS A SAFE AND EFFECTIVE TREATMENT.

seems like one of the most likely reasons, to me.  

Mon Dec 21 2020 14:45:43 EST from ParanoidDelusions

Loanshark, here is what you're up against here... 

My anecdotal experience is that I was ahead of the curve - last January when we were dropping my kid off for her first semester, I was already well aware there was a pandemic novel coronavirus spreading in Wuhan. While we were in Chicago, the first cases in America were being quarantined in NYC, Florida, and O'Hare. When we were flying back, 3 or 4 days later, I went to Target to pick up masks, then CVS, then Walgreens, and they were all out. I thought at the time that it was weird. They were already redirecting supplies. They knew well ahead. Our Government knew and was aware how big this was going to be and was already and they were suppressing the news intentionally. For whatever reason. To try and get out ahead of it, to try and prevent mass panic - to delay the inevitable. They were not being honest with us about it. 


Then, Fauci came out and said that masks wouldn't work in March. He reversed himself sometime l

 

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Loanshark, here is what you're up against here... 

My anecdotal experience is that I was ahead of the curve - last January when we were dropping my kid off for her first semester, I was already well aware there was a pandemic novel coronavirus spreading in Wuhan. While we were in Chicago, the first cases in America were being quarantined in NYC, Florida, and O'Hare. When we were flying back, 3 or 4 days later, I went to Target to pick up masks, then CVS, then Walgreens, and they were all out. I thought at the time that it was weird. They were already redirecting supplies. They knew well ahead. Our Government knew and was aware how big this was going to be and was already and they were suppressing the news intentionally. For whatever reason. To try and get out ahead of it, to try and prevent mass panic - to delay the inevitable. They were not being honest with us about it. 


Then, Fauci came out and said that masks wouldn't work in March. He reversed himself sometime l ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4634449Mon, 21 Dec 2020 18:25:51 -00004634449@Uncensored 2020-12-21 12:52 from nonservator >Better than HCQ. And we saw how that went over. No. YOU saw how that went over. I saw a bunch of unfounded hype for an ineffective treatment. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4634430Mon, 21 Dec 2020 17:52:21 -00004634430@Uncensored

Better than HCQ. And we saw how that went over.

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Can I get the apple flavored paste?

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4634204Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:47:07 -00004634204@Uncensored

The word for today is ivermectin. Prescription for humans, you can get an apple-flavored paste for your horse.

Two dozen medical studies including ten random controlled trials. We've known since summer it interrupts Covid progression; known since early fall that it stops transmission. p value for post-exposure prophylaxis of <0.0001, gold standard level evidence. 90% effective through all stages of the disease, prevents 50 to 70% of deaths in the critically ill. Used for decades, dispensed by non-medically trained persons in many parts of the world. Safer than aspirin. You take two pills - not two a day, two total - and it costs two bucks.

 

 

Medical groups are now barring doctors who prescribe it off label. Even though one in five prescriptions in this country are written off label.

 

It's not even like the AMA conveniently reversing their position on HCQ for some puzzling and mysterious reason. Ivermectin was never tainted by Orange Man association. It's just been ignored. Because it's cheap, and it works, AND IT IS ILLEGAL TO ISSUE AN EUA FOR THE VACCINE IF THERE IS A SAFE AND EFFECTIVE TREATMENT.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4633753Mon, 21 Dec 2020 02:04:16 -00004633753@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4633380Sat, 19 Dec 2020 23:21:04 -00004633380@Uncensored And if this one does hit the target ... is there any reason it >couldn't be put into next year's flu shot? Or is it different enough >from seasonal flu that this is not practical? As you know, the cold storage requirements for the Pfizer vaccine in particular, and also to a lesser extent the Moderna vax, aren't such a problem for the flu vaccine. So why combine them when it sorts causes logistical problems AstraZeneca/Oxford and others are a different animal. I don't know anything about that. It has been done before with MMR. You're probably talking about something that would apply years down the line when all of this is more refined. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4633367Sat, 19 Dec 2020 22:05:17 -00004633367@Uncensoredhttps://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4633361Sat, 19 Dec 2020 21:56:15 -00004633361@Uncensored

Mutating to something less deadly wouldn't bother me, stop me from wearing a mask, or practicing social distancing.   I was always washing my hands the proper way before all this started)

Mutating to something more deadly or into something that the vaccine doesn't prevent does worry me.

 

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Just low carb did it for me. Dropped from a lifetime high of 209 down to 175, and my cholesterol and thyroid both started behaving. 

Wasn't even Keto. 

I did exercise more. 

Father-In-Law hasn't had a fever for a few days. Looks like they're through it. Thank God. 

Kind of wish I had caught it, so I could be done with it, with my mild heart condition. Would be ironic if I was the only one in the family so far that it killed, after it has affected people in apparently far worse health than me, and I've spent a lifetime cheating death through misadventure and bad... bad... choices. 

But... also a little poetic. 

Fri Dec 18 2020 14:49:30 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold

I've been on the Atkins diet twice - and both times my cholesterol dropped - all while eating a ton of meat.

 

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Yeah, I had been very worried about him getting it. Not an event I'm in any big hurry to attend - that guy's passing. 

So his fever broke yesterday. Hopefully that means we're out of the woods with them. Glad they got diagnosed and on treatment quickly. 

 

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Very glad to hear. Being elderly or having comorbidities doesn't sign your death warrant, it just makes it more likely for you to get the virus or to die from it. And early aggressive treatment is key to survival.

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My father-in-law, who is over 70 and diabetic, seems to be doing great so far with early diagnosis, careful monitoring, and aggressive treatment. 

My mother in law, slightly younger, also seems to be doing good. 

*knock on wood*. 

Tue Dec 15 2020 17:22:19 EST from nonservator

Avoiding Covid-19:

 

Don't be over 70, obese, diabetic, or have a history of respiratory problems.

 

Take at least 5,000 IU of vitamin D a day, along with at least a gram of vitamin C, and some zinc with quercitin.

 

Along with hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin shows great promise for early treatment.

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4630305Tue, 15 Dec 2020 22:22:19 -00004630305@Uncensored

Avoiding Covid-19:

 

Don't be over 70, obese, diabetic, or have a history of respiratory problems.

 

Take at least 5,000 IU of vitamin D a day, along with at least a gram of vitamin C, and some zinc with quercitin.

 

Along with hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin shows great promise for early treatment.

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4630122Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:20:10 -00004630122@UncensoredThere has been a lot of voodoo bullshit in this room lately. You're >going to have to be more specific on which voodoo bullshit you're >calling out.  Yeah, I'm a little tired of it. I was trying to steer the conversation back towards actual health & wellness topics rather than the shitshow you hear about it everywhere. ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4629518Tue, 15 Dec 2020 02:53:03 -00004629518@Uncensored

I don't like the new rules. 

https://donovancolbert.blogspot.com/2020/05/the-definitive-post-on-wearing-mask-or.html

Not only was I right about this - but evidence suggests that the severity of the virus has decreased, that there are more infections but less requiring hospitalization and ICU care. The current idea is that the total viral loads are decreasing, and that a decreased total viral load per infection is likely to result in a less severe case of Covid-19 with fewer complications. 


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Why, anything I disagree with, of course. Those are the new rules.

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There has been a lot of voodoo bullshit in this room lately. You're going to have to be more specific on which voodoo bullshit you're calling out. 

 

Mon Dec 14 2020 15:22:44 EST from nonservator

I just decided I am going to actually be the straw man everyone assumes I am: "Why, yes. Your so-called 'science' is voodoo bullshit because it completely ignores the scientific method."

 

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4629382Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:22:44 -00004629382@Uncensored

I just decided I am going to actually be the straw man everyone assumes I am: "Why, yes. Your so-called 'science' is voodoo bullshit because it completely ignores the scientific method."

]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Health%20and%20Wellness?start_reading_at=4628578Mon, 14 Dec 2020 01:25:54 -00004628578@Uncensored

Mac Tonnies used to conference call me in with Richard Hoagland and Richard would talk about "The Owls". I'm a card-carrying member of the pseudo-science Ancient-Alien Astronaut cult fringe. 

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You caught me. 
Sun Dec 13 2020 16:44:01 EST from Nurb432

 

Other than the alien angle, of course.  :)