Yup. 

You're describing the Nolan chart, which is typically used to demonstrate that most reasonable people are libertarians and didn't know it.

Of course, it's pushed pretty hard by the Libertarian Party, who are no longer libertarians.

And we tend to describe Left to Right as a linear progression from Left to Right... but really it is a ring - with moderate centrist at the top, 

And Fascist Right and Authoritarian Left at the bottom of that ring, right next to one another - restricting expressions of freedom they disagree with. 

Sat Feb 07 2026 01:18:51 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Yay Elon

"You can tell who is on the right side and who is on the wrong side based on who wants to limit freedom of expression. Restrictions on freedom of expression are fascist restrictions. Anyone who encourages censorship is saying they are against freedom."

"You can tell who is on the right side and who is on the wrong side based on who wants to limit freedom of expression. Restrictions on freedom of expression are fascist restrictions. Anyone who encourages censorship is saying they are against freedom."

*there

Wow. Yes. Succinct. 

But you also kind of nailed the pitfall of capitalism - it is a DIRECT democracy - and that is the tyranny of the majority. If the market is stupid - you can't get a cellphone with free GPS, or unlimited text - because the 80% of idiots will pay for something they should demand be included in their plan. Right? And a capitalist enterprise isn't going to GIVE AWAY shit that costs them nothing if they can charge for it. 

Classic example - I forget which railroad baron - but the slaughter houses, their were MOUNTAINS of hooves by the train stations rotting in the sun - and whoever it was - some guy riding around in a gilded coach with velvet seating thought, "Those hooves, are worth a penny a ton, but if I can get them to glue and gelatin factories from EVERY station they're rotting at - they're worth MILLIONS" - today - that is Musk or Bezos. "How can I turn this worthless, taken for granted thing into pennies, and with ENOUGH of those pennies, into millions, eve

Thu Jan 08 2026 19:14:41 UTC from darknetuser

I am a bit of a radical here. 

Capitalism has solved almost every major problem that society has ever faced. 

Abuse of capitalism has created many undesired side effects - and most of those come from Government unduly regulating capitalism for some stated reason while actually seemingly just wanting their cut of the profits generated by capitalism. 

Tue Dec 30 2025 00:38:17 UTC from PanaSonic

oh, wow, you're a MegaCapitalist.  

Didn't peg that to begin with.

Capitalism will never solve problems, unless the problem is "what can I do to make more money".

It may start with solving a problem, and then it will turn to enshittification.

I'm pretty sure you understand enshittification.

Now apply enshittification to *EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS*, and you have the consequences of your post.

 

 

oh, wow, you're a MegaCapitalist.  

Didn't peg that to begin with.

Capitalism will never solve problems, unless the problem is "what can I do to make more money".

It may start with solving a problem, and then it will turn to enshittification.

I'm pretty sure you understand enshittification.

Now apply enshittification to *EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS*, and you have the consequences of your post.

Sun Dec 28 2025 06:56:17 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

I'm so big on small government - that I think California and Arizona shouldn't be telling Utah how many wives they can have, if Utah mostly agrees. I don't think that DC should be telling Washington and Oregon what drugs should or shouldn't be legal. If they want no recourse against heroin addicts, let them try that exercise. 

I think that it is OK for the Federal government to go, "We do not believe 12 year old girls can consent to be 3rd wives. If Utah thinks that, we'll not federally fund them on OTHER programs, like their highways. If they want to marry 12 year old girls to 70 year old men, let them figure out their OWN highway system." 

And then if trucking companies go, "Utah's highways are substandard - we won't deliver to them or drive through them, to get from Wyoming to Nevada and California - we'll go around..." 

We should deal with that, too. And the costs. 

Same for drugs in Oregon and Washington. "If you don't recognize our laws and penalties f

 

Fri Dec 26 2025 12:02:23 UTC from Nurb432

I think we both agree on the principle of minimal. 

But i do think that due to people being jerks/etc there has to be a little, not zero. History has shown people cant control themselves. Human nature.

Fri Dec 26 2025 06:56:44 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

Oh wait! I said, "Less Government," and you almost instantly responded, "Not THAT much LESS government?" 

 

 

That they have the money to give grants, is a fraud in itself. They take too much of our money.   Should be limited government and just enough to keep the lights on.  

Mon Dec 29 2025 18:23:04 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

I'll take it a step further than that: the federal government shouldn't be giving grants to any state for any reason.  100% of those funds go towards fraud.

I'll take it a step further than that: the federal government shouldn't be giving grants to any state for any reason.  100% of those funds go towards fraud.

I'm so big on small government - that I think California and Arizona shouldn't be telling Utah how many wives they can have, if Utah mostly agrees. I don't think that DC should be telling Washington and Oregon what drugs should or shouldn't be legal. If they want no recourse against heroin addicts, let them try that exercise. 

I think that it is OK for the Federal government to go, "We do not believe 12 year old girls can consent to be 3rd wives. If Utah thinks that, we'll not federally fund them on OTHER programs, like their highways. If they want to marry 12 year old girls to 70 year old men, let them figure out their OWN highway system." 

And then if trucking companies go, "Utah's highways are substandard - we won't deliver to them or drive through them, to get from Wyoming to Nevada and California - we'll go around..." 

We should deal with that, too. And the costs. 

Same for drugs in Oregon and Washington. "If you don't recognize our laws and penalties f

Fri Dec 26 2025 12:02:23 UTC from Nurb432

I think we both agree on the principle of minimal. 

But i do think that due to people being jerks/etc there has to be a little, not zero. History has shown people cant control themselves. Human nature.

Fri Dec 26 2025 06:56:44 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

Oh wait! I said, "Less Government," and you almost instantly responded, "Not THAT much LESS government?" 

 

I think we both agree on the principle of minimal. 

But i do think that due to people being jerks/etc there has to be a little, not zero. History has shown people cant control themselves. Human nature.

Fri Dec 26 2025 06:56:44 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

Oh wait! I said, "Less Government," and you almost instantly responded, "Not THAT much LESS government?" 

Oh wait! I said, "Less Government," and you almost instantly responded, "Not THAT much LESS government?" 

See. I may be more libertarian than you. I'd like other people NOT fucking around with my decisions, regardless of if that is daytime speed limit on i-10 or if I can buy weed on the next corner OR... shit.. age of consent for marriage. 

It isn't MY problem, until I *make* it my problem. 

I don't live in Utah, so I don't GAF what Utah decides is "right" in Utah. 

Maybe I am wrong. 

Tue Dec 23 2025 14:54:34 UTC from Nurb432

Yes its is sort of ironic for me to be calling for federal intervention, but there are a few, very few, things the feds should be involved in, and i do think that is one.  Not for them to play favorites, or go overboard on restrictions, but work towards keeping it a level playing field.

 

Since people cant behave themselves as a society, **limited** oversight is needed. I think my feelings would align pretty well with Thomas Jefferson's in this aspect.

Yes its is sort of ironic for me to be calling for federal intervention, but there are a few, very few, things the feds should be involved in, and i do think that is one.  Not for them to play favorites, or go overboard on restrictions, but work towards keeping it a level playing field.

Since people cant behave themselves as a society, **limited** oversight is needed. I think my feelings would align pretty well with Thomas Jefferson's in this aspect.

I kind of agree with Nurb on this. I remember when the FTC and other 3 letter acronyms fought excessive consolidation in capitalist economies - because is is bad. 

I remember when you couldn't buy electronics that weren't UL listed. Now Amazon will sell you cheap Chinese PSUs that have no UL listing - all you have to do is order them on Amazon. 


We threw ALL regulation out the door. If we're going to do that, why not throw out child labor laws, prostitution laws, drug laws, building codes? Why not have a completely unregulated open market and let smart and dumb consumers sort it out? 

As a conservative straight white male Republican - I fell like this is a fair question. 

Ok, not *all*  of it, just the US market.

But the statement still holds.

Fri Dec 19 2025 00:40:57 UTC from Nurb432

So Tiktok to be sold to Ellison, its official now.

At this point doesn't he own most 'media' in this country now? Where the hell is the FTC?

So Tiktok to be sold to Ellison, its official now.

At this point doesn't he own most 'media' in this country now? Where the hell is the FTC?

And also right on schedule. Never let a event to waste and always use it to increase control over the serfs.

"Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says his government will crack down on hate speech following Sunday's deadly shooting at Bondi Beach that targeted a Jewish festival.

New laws will target "those who spread hate, division and radicalisation", Albanese told reporters in Canberra." 

So if you carry a burner phone/laptop since you don't want to lose your real one ( which is actually pretty standard when traveling abroad ), and wont give up your last 5 years of history to us ( online personas, addresses, phone numbers, travels, etc ) you don't get to enter the country. Presumed guilt.

When does it start happening locally?  Random stops, "lets see your papers and your phone.  So, we see your phone does not have xyz so it must have been wiped and you must be guilty of something, come with us"

Phase 2 begins. 

"Australia has enacted a world-first ban on social media for users aged under 16, causing millions of children and teenagers to lose access to their accounts.

Facebook, Instagram, Threads, X, YouTube, Snapchat, Reddit, Kick, Twitch and TikTok are expected to have taken steps from Wednesday to remove accounts held by users under 16 years of age in Australia, and prevent those teens from registering new accounts.

Platforms that do not comply risk fines of up to $49.5m."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/dec/09/australia-under-16-social-media-ban-begins-apps-listed

That is racist, now, displaying the St. George Cross. Did you know? As offensive as a Swastika, so I am told. It is the new PUNK thing. 

Poland is doing just fine. Some of the Far Northern European nations seem to be waking up. I still believe England can be saved - they've been conquered before. Do not underestimate the resolve of my people. It just takes a seed of hope. 

England and France no longer exist.  Neither do Sweden or Germany.  They should blow up Buckingham Palace before it gets repurposed by the new regime.

Poland might be ok, they're traditionally more conservative and resistant than the pusilanimous pushovers who allowed much of western europe to fall to the savages.

Agreed with both posts - and - I think it also may be a global war of "civil" wars. England is about to boil over, France has a couple of times. Russia and Ukraine have their own thing going on - but that is really - if you understand it - already kind of a civil war. Those things may coalesce into regional conflicts supported globally by the financers on either side of the spectrum that want to see the outcome go one way, or the other. 

It is unique - but there are also historical similarities.  

And so begins the crack down on VPN in the EU.  They have 'discovered' that people are using VPNs to get around regional draconian restrictions ( like the age verification thing, and news suppression ) so they are now trying to decide 'what to do'.

I expect VPN bans, and i also feel it was planned. Cant let people hear the truth. Now they can use the 'its for the kids' excuse and get the weak-minded to support it.

As divided as we are locally, not sure how its going to work this time. At least last time it leaned towards being at a state level, not 100% of course, but nowhere near like it is today. Unless something happens at the federal level here soon to solidify the 'majority in a state'. ( either for or against ). But somehow i don't see that happening.    And i agree its going to be a bad scene and no one ( here in the US anyway ) really can understand how bad it will be .. but i honestly dont think we will have a choice at some point. 

The next problem is 'what are we fighting for'. Last time it was pretty clear. "Stop the expansion of Lincoln's government into state affairs and refusal to follow the law" ( of not letting them leaving the Union ) Which is clearly a Constitutional issue. We are long past that point now and state governments welcome it..

Thu Nov 27 2025 05:00:35 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

 

"Tell me were to go to enlist to fight back. I'm ready to give whatever I can to put an end to this." 

 

I don't think most people even really know or understand - what a civil war would be like - what it would be like to have your downtown become a battlefield where the blood draining off the fields turned the rivers red. 


We haven't known hardship like that for so long - that we think it is the only answer - when it is the WORST answer. 

But we may live to see it in our lifetimes. 

I hope not. I hope I get to live to die naturally of old age before it gets that bad. But sometimes - when I watched Charlie Kirk's neck being torn open I go, 

"Tell me were to go to enlist to fight back. I'm ready to give whatever I can to put an end to this." 

Its just one part of the societal cycle. Tho i have called it the 2nd civil war, i guess really its more of the 2nd fight for true Independence, than 'breaking free from the chains of your own country'. Its not 'just' states that want out, its nationwide. But i guess in a way its all fuzzy anyway, and does it really matter what you call it? And I cant be positive, but it feels like we are almost there, and will see it in the next couple of years. But 1/2 this country is ok with it getting more draconian and would fight back, and many states are a mixture to the point neither side has a majority...  Need more than 1/2 the population to rise up effectively, else its just death an chaos and no 'real' advance.

And yes, few really want war since those who are part of it, its rough for everyone on all sides, only the generations beyond get to see the benefits.

Sat Nov 22 2025 04:02:23 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

We're gonna have to have a civil war to sort this out. Everyone knows it. No one wants to face it. We're going to either go with American Freedom, or English Authoritarianism. We get to pick... but it probably comes to blows. 

 

We're gonna have to have a civil war to sort this out. Everyone knows it. No one wants to face it. We're going to either go with American Freedom, or English Authoritarianism. We get to pick... but it probably comes to blows. 

Didn't look too close, but sounds like Hawaii just criminalized sarcastic humor and parody.  ( and a whole bunch of people are suing them ).

Sounds like we need to cut them off, along with Kaifornia.

Yet another example of why we no longer have the right of free speech if you are not a club member:  "Supreme Court rejects Alex Jones’ appeal of $1.4 billion defamation judgment in Sandy Hook shooting"

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-newtown-shooting-alex-jones-infowars-ddcdede90c0c8d2710c768fd0ea9946f

Wont get into the current state of the broadcasters, as i also agree mostly are tilted one way or another, but i do think the idea is still good.   Be nice to have truly unbiased shows to watch.

Wed Oct 08 2025 02:31:55 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

 The idea of public broadcasting is obsolete.

"public interest" is sort of vague however.  Hard to quantify and easily abused.  ( on both sides of the coin )

Tue Sep 23 2025 22:02:26 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

"President Donald Trump suggested that the federal government might revoke the licenses of broadcast television networks that are “against” him."

Phrased that way, it sounds like an Obamabiden policy.  However, that's not exactly how it works.

Broadcasters are given access to spectrum on the basis that their broadcasts serve the public interest.  When you have hate peddlers like Disney pushing nothing except the most harmful side of a political narrative, it amplifies that harm.  It is not acting in the public interest.  PBS deservedly got bitchslapped for exactly this reason.

"President Donald Trump suggested that the federal government might revoke the licenses of broadcast television networks that are “against” him."

Phrased that way, it sounds like an Obamabiden policy.  However, that's not exactly how it works.

Broadcasters are given access to spectrum on the basis that their broadcasts serve the public interest.  When you have hate peddlers like Disney pushing nothing except the most harmful side of a political narrative, it amplifies that harm.  It is not acting in the public interest.  PBS deservedly got bitchslapped for exactly this reason.

lol.

Tho im only annoying to him.. not the rest of the planet :) 

Sat Sep 20 2025 13:54:49 UTC from ZoeGraystone

Look, its the pot calling the kettle black.

 

Tue Sep 16 2025 00:45:43 UTC from SouthernComputerGeek

You are so fucking annoying.

Sun Sep 14 2025 00:18:02 UTC from Nurb432

 

My issue is that its the government that is directly pressuring private enterprises to suppress totally legal speech.

If ABC, Disney, CNN. whatever woke up the next day "oooh, that was bad, we need to can him from our platform or we lose viewers" im ok with that. Private enterprise calling the shots, for their own platforms. That is fine.. But we have a president ordering his cabinet members to pressure/threaten/sue private enterprise and private citizens on legal speech he does not like. Which is dangerous. 

Tue Sep 23 2025 11:47:32 UTC from darknetuser

I have mixed feelinsg about this, but after debating with myself I must declare I deeply proud of the American right at this point.

And one more step into the abyss, related to press conferences. Now you have to get approved to speak.

"Secretary Pete Hegseth advanced a policy on media access. Not only does the policy require display of credentials, it also demands authorization before publishing information"

Bondi:

"If you are a printing company and refuse to print Kirk vigils when asked, we can prosecute you" "and we have our civil rights unit investigating that"

We are done for. Its over.

If you had told me 20 years ago we would collapse into a totally authoritarianism system, id have laughed at you "that could never happen here" well, it has. 

Look, its the pot calling the kettle black.

Tue Sep 16 2025 00:45:43 UTC from SouthernComputerGeek

You are so fucking annoying.

Sun Sep 14 2025 00:18:02 UTC from Nurb432

 

From my view of the world, its not looking good right now.

Id like to comment, but im liable to get flamed.

"President Donald Trump suggested that the federal government might revoke the licenses of broadcast television networks that are “against” him."

And to think, this is just September... We have over 3 more years of this. If we survive. 

Don't cross the King, you have no rights, serf. We are finished, unless plan B goes into action, soon.

"ABC decision over Kimmel comments about Charlie Kirk killing comes hours after Trump-appointed chair of US media regulator threatened broadcaster’s license"

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Tue Sep 16 2025 00:45:43 UTC from SouthernComputerGeek

You are so ******* annoying.

 

You are so fucking annoying.

Sun Sep 14 2025 00:18:02 UTC from Nurb432

Its ok to make fun of people when they are offed, as long as they are on the other side of the fence.. but don't you dare talk smack about one of the king's buddies. If you express yourself and dont comply with the mandate, you will be doxxed, lose your job. perhaps your house burned. There also also legislature calls to ban people from ALL media, and jailed for 'inciting violence with your words'. 

 

Hypocrites. 

 

And as i have said before, Orwell is spinning in his grave about now.

Its ok to make fun of people when they are offed, as long as they are on the other side of the fence.. but don't you dare talk smack about one of the king's buddies. If you express yourself and dont comply with the mandate, you will be doxxed, lose your job. perhaps your house burned. There also also legislature calls to ban people from ALL media, and jailed for 'inciting violence with your words'. 

Hypocrites. 

And as i have said before, Orwell is spinning in his grave about now.

And so it begins.

His wife is just as bad apparently. Related to the latest news event, which will now be used to district from other things and push control. 

~~~~~~~~~~~

"“Early warning signs are often evident, with many individuals exhibiting concerning behaviors and making violent threats online prior to their actions,” Mrs. Trump continued.

“To prevent future tragedies, it is crucial we look into behavioral threat assessments across all levels of society—beginning in our homes, extending through school districts, and, of course, social media platforms. Being aware of these warning signs and acting quickly can save lives and make American communities safer,” concluded the first lady, who has been a vocal advocate for children."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I read this book in school, before it was banned.  

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Wed Aug 27 2025 15:16:35 UTC from SouthernComputerGeek

The libtard has pulled off his mask.

Wed Aug 27 2025 12:09:20 UTC from Nurb432

Heil orange man!

 

 

The libtard has pulled off his mask.

Wed Aug 27 2025 12:09:20 UTC from Nurb432

Heil orange man!

 

And i hear they are going to give all citizens jackboots to wear. Unless you speak out, then you got prison. Remember "unpatriotic" speech is publishable according to Dar leader. Thou shalt not question  his authority At least for those who dont already own a set, like yourself.

Heil orange man! 

Wed Aug 27 2025 01:10:02 UTC from SouthernComputerGeek

 

 

I'll let JD Vance's post do the talking:

 

Mon Aug 25 2025 20:36:13 UTC from Nurb432

And now. Attack on our right of political speech. To hell with what SCOTUS has ruled, in effect.. 

 

I'll let JD Vance's post do the talking:

2099532836@Uncensored

And now. Attack on our right of political speech. To hell with what SCOTUS has ruled, in effect.. 

with all that is going on in such a short time period...  Hitler would be proud.  Ya, i said it. 

WTF.

While i disagree with the UK doing this to their own citizens, what in the F were they mandating Apple give them access to US citizens data?  

"Tulsi Gabbard, the United States’ director of national intelligence, said on Monday that London agreed to drop its requirement for Apple to provide a “back door” that would have allowed access to the protected data of US users and “encroached on our civil liberties”.

One Source ->  https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2025/8/19/uk-drops-mandate-for-apple-back-door-us-spy-chief-says

They make it vague enough they can target anyone they want, or let anyone they want slide past. its all part of the game.

One other helpful piece here is there is no 'prioritization based on user'.

Doubt it will drive any of the bigger players downstream, as they need paid and most of the unwashed masses have no clue in that arena. Besides, for all its benefits, living off crypto is pain and most of the networks are not 100% secure from the feds finding you. ( to be fair most were not meant to be anonymous. just private ) Especially if you want/need to exchange for Legal tender to use in your local economy, exchanges are watched very closely.

Mon Aug 11 2025 00:24:43 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

From the bill:

"Additionally, the bill requires large (based on specified revenue, employment, or user criteria) websites, internet applications, and search engines (including social network sites) to meet certain requirements before using algorithms that prioritize information furnished to the user based on user-specific data. For example, such platforms must (1) provide users with notice that the website uses such algorithms, and (2) make available a version of the platform that uses algorithms that do not prioritize information based on user data."

At least part of that is somewhat comforting. I was afraid I would have to shut down this site because there's no way it would be able to function with age (and therefore identity) verification. I've seen the "large" stipulation in other attempts at this before, which suggests that they're only looking to go after the big sites, and not some nerd running a BBS off a server in his garage.

I still hat

One can hope it dies out. its a bad road to go down. But you know how the backroom deals go in DC, can never be sure about anything...    And not to start a fight ( trying to be good here ), but from my view point its another 'its for the children' excuse, when in realty, its sinister and far reaching.  

Aside from the potential data leakages that we all know is a huge risk these days, its another case of "im doing nothing wrong, and I don't want to be tracked doing it as its none of their damned business" sort of thing.

Thu Aug 07 2025 20:40:47 UTC from SouthernComputerGeek

Democrat bill; less likely to pass.

Wed Aug 06 2025 19:39:51 UTC from Nurb432

its coming..  "know your users".   

 

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/1409

 

Democrat bill; less likely to pass.

Wed Aug 06 2025 19:39:51 UTC from Nurb432

its coming..  "know your users".   

 

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/1409

its coming..  "know your users".   

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/1409

Anyone remember clipper ?  its coming back..  first "controlled exports" next  "well, a chip might be exported by accident, so tap them all"

"    U.S. Chip Security Act, proposed in May in Congress and the Senate. The draft legislation would require tracking mechanisms in export-controlled advanced chips.  "

This government gets more Orwellian every day. 

Ah..  ( was going to google it at some point  now i dont have to :) )

Tue Jun 10 2025 02:08:00 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: Used movies

Yup. Before the Windows Phone was their answer to the iPhone and Android, they had "Zune" which was their answer to the iPod and MP3 players. Very few people bought them (because they weren't very good) and everyone lost their collections on 2017-Mar-12. Anyone who just used it as a crappy MP3 player and brought their own (pirated) MP3s, lost nothing.

Unless they find a way to block it.  I have heard of attempts.  I normally go with a 3rd option, if i cant purchase an actual physical copy, i buy 'access', but then get a pirated local copy ( or do it myself, depending ).   That way i supported the creation of what i like, but not tied to the whim of the distribution channel.  ( or if i lose internet for a while.. )

And i wasn't there, so only heard of this 2nd hand, but didn't Microsoft have their own iTunes sort of thing for a while? then they closed it down out of the blue, and everyone past access to everything?

Sat Jun 07 2025 02:16:47 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: Used movies

Well, you know what they say ... "buy" something on streaming and you've only acquired a license to keep streaming it for as long as the company stays in business and continues to carry that title ... but a pirated, unencrypted copy on your own media is yours forever.

lol

This has been reported.

Mon May 26 2025 01:23:41 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

That's why I'm never letting go of my DVD copy of Blazing Saddles.

Sort of free speech.. sort of not.

Was reading there is now a push to make people feel guilty that its 'unethical' to buy used books and music. Pushing people towards subscription services.. so you own nothing.. not even knowledge...

This is the same legislative body that impeached Ken Paxton.

Wed Apr 30 2025 23:42:29 UTC from ZoeGraystone

Texas house bill 366.

I agree, its their house their rules. Even if its opportunistic. Not real sure id call suppression within a private company as 'censorship' and i reserve that for government, but that is just words anyway the effect is the same.  But that said the hypocrisy they present does annoy me however. They should just own up to it.

In the above case, the government was getting involved though, which does get into rights.

Sat May 03 2025 16:29:02 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

People like Zuck and the other big tech oligarchs who use censorship in an attempt to steer the culture aren't infringing on anyone's rights, they're just very bad people who I hope die in private jet crashes. They're not backing off right now because they had a change of heart; they're backing off because that kind of change is in the wind right now and they're opportunistically rolling with it.

Texas house bill 366.

"screw your freespeech, serfs"

It's not even a very good filesharing service! They only let you view stuff but not download it for offline use! If they were truly a file sharing service, you could actually share files!

I have found most people are hypocrites when you get down to it.

And not that i plan on it, but since you mentioned it i have always wondered how those darknet marketplaces work.  I understand the payment side via crypto, but how do you actually get your stuff without going to jail? Or do you get caught? Or do they just steal your money and run? At least doing it in person, while it still could go bad, you get the goods as you hand over the cash.

Fri Apr 25 2025 12:02:44 UTC from darknetuser Subject: META is a bullshit company

 like when the users of a darknet marketplace start complaining that the market they are buying date-rape-drugs from also has guns for sale. It is hypochrite and childish.

That didn't last long. I thought free speech was a human right. Not wanting to be insulted, isn't one. Last i heard.

"META oversight board calls for company to re-assess decision to loosen moderation due to ‘adverse impacts on human rights’

Next step: Banning them, and their operators.  ( this is twitter )

“We’re rolling out updates to improve transparency for Parody, Commentary, and Fan (PCF) accounts on our platform. Starting April 10, all PCF accounts will be required to include PCF-compliant keywords at the beginning of their account names and avoid using identical avatars to the entities they depict,” the post reads. “These requirements also apply to accounts that have the Parody label. We’re continuing to refine this label and will soon have more details on how it will replace these requirements.”

I don't visit it often, really no need other than i guess to contribute some resources.. But is TOR slower than it used to be?  No, its never been a speed demon due to its nature, but it feels dreadfully slow today.

It was about a post on facebook... 

Fri Mar 14 2025 16:22:13 UTC from SamuraiCrow

 

I guess anything that bites you in the butt is a bottom feeder.

Thu Mar 13 2025 16:00:33 UTC from SouthernComputerGeek

And what the sam hill does this have to do with bottom feeders????

I guess anything that bites you in the butt is a bottom feeder.

And what the sam hill does this have to do with bottom feeders????

Um, no. 'Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech' does not imply that private entities have a constitutional right to censor people. State legislatures could pass a law prohibiting censorship and it would be constitutional. I'm NOT saying it would be a good idea, I'm just saying it wouldn't violate the constitution.

Thu Mar 13 2025 15:31:25 UTC from Nurb432

But some idiot came around " bla bla pushing your agenda free speech bla bla"   Man, people are stupid. Told him to go read the Constitution again.    So few of those idiots really understand our foundation, or realize they are actually Communists supporting the government to restrict private entries on things like speech.

That was comical.

I rarely go there, mostly just messenger for family but i happened to see a friend of mine post that typical " i hereby disallow Facebook to ...bla bla "   so i commented "no, that isnt how it works, you agree to their TOS when you sign up for an account", which is true.  Dont like the agreement, dont use the platform.

But some idiot came around " bla bla pushing your agenda free speech bla bla"   Man, people are stupid. Told him to go read the Constitution again.    So few of those idiots really understand our foundation, or realize they are actually Communists supporting the government to restrict private entries on things like speech.  

And yes, i know Biden and group did stuff like that, but that crossed the line, and they did not follow the intent of separation and doesn't make it right.  Id like Trump to instate an intelligence test, and if you fail, you are deported, or turned into fertilizer. 

While technically true, if they don't comply Brazil can simply deny future access to the country, and fine/shutdown any local entities in that country, including advertisers.  US court statements stop at the border.  And id not want it any other way.  While i may personally disagree with Brazil doing that, its their country, their rules.

"SARASOTA, Fla., Feb. 25, 2025 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Devin Nunes, CEO and Chairman of the Trump Media and Technology Group Corp. (Nasdaq: DJT) ("TMTG"), issued the following statement today after a U.S. federal judge ruled that TMTG and Rumble (NASDAQ: RUM) are under no obligation to comply with orders from a Brazilian Supreme Court Justice attempting to force Rumble to take down a U.S.-based user’s accounts."

People in the reflexively offended idpol camp tend to think of anyone who doesn't bow to their ideology to be "nazi".  It's such an overused metaphor that even Mike Godwin would tell them to knock it off.

Seems one of Meta's biggest attorneys ( involved in their ludicrous AI suit ) has quit.  He feels that Zukerbug is now a Neo-Nazi.  Why? Because FB is going to again let people say "bad things", specifically about a particular small segment of our society, as that is the example they all seem to be using.    

So lets see, an attorney that does not believe in free speech is calling someone that is ( currently ) supporting it a Nazi. 

( disclaimer: i do happen to also disagree with the concept behind the 'example' they are using as 'bad things', but its still someones right to say it if that is what they feel. This is America last time i checked, not China )

I figured you would understand my angle, with a more reasonable head.   It wasn't at all a 'bash' as some thought, it was just in the same theme, 'famous books/movie/TV' that would technically fall under the draconian restrictions.  And its one of the more famous books out there with violence embedded in that would raise it to at least the level PG.

Killing a few billion people ( and trillions of innocent animals ) in a flood is pretty violent too. 

Tue Dec 31 2024 17:12:36 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

My favorite action movie scene in the Bible ... second book of Kings, chapter 9: Jezebel is sitting by herself upstairs, and three guys show up and throw her out the window. Her blood spatters everywhere and a bunch of horses trample over what's left of her.

So yeah, if that were to be shot as a movie in an accurate way it would probably be R rated.

Really are not all that smart are you? 

( ok, i broke a rule, i responded but geesh get a grip dude and climb out of your echo chamber )

Mon Dec 30 2024 16:26:06 UTC from SouthernComputerGeek

Sigh. Christians live in your head rent-free.

Sun Dec 29 2024 22:40:44 UTC from Nurb432

...porn false flag to get support by the un-intelligent sheep....

In theory even that bible thing could be considered at least PG-13, due to the violence..  ( some argue R rated even )

 

Seriously, Nurb, why can't you even go a month without complaining about Christians? Christians built this country, yet you can't stand not expressing your hatred for them.

Mon Dec 30 2024 16:26:06 UTC from SouthernComputerGeek

Sigh. Christians live in your head rent-free.

Sun Dec 29 2024 22:40:44 UTC from Nurb432

...porn false flag to get support by the un-intelligent sheep....

In theory even that bible thing could be considered at least PG-13, due to the violence..  ( some argue R rated even )

 

Sigh. Christians live in your head rent-free.

Sun Dec 29 2024 22:40:44 UTC from Nurb432

...porn false flag to get support by the un-intelligent sheep....

In theory even that bible thing could be considered at least PG-13, due to the violence..  ( some argue R rated even )

And the last time ill climb on my soapbox. "adult oriented" content is NOT just contained to the porn false flag to get support by the un-intelligent sheep. It covers a whole cast of totally legal activities and topics:

• Firearms ( last few years, most sales sites already ask if you are 18 )
• Alcohol ( 21 )
• Drugs ( medicinal or otherwise )
• MA books.. Ever read a Steven king book? What about about discussing ammo reloading? A book discussing WWII?  Yep. Libraries are next to start carding you at the door and segregating out books.
• A whole host of documentaries and lots of "news".
• "PG"  or "MA" shows/movies could easily fall under this as it requires parental approval.   So there goes chunk of Disney too.. the entire Marvel series.. gone.  Star wars? Gone.  Hell one could even track watching of road runner due to the violence and use of explosives.
• All a movie needs is some drinking, or violence or smoking and its adult targeted. So there goes most movies if they want to get technical.
• In theory even that bible thing could be considered at least PG-13, due to the violence..  ( some argue R rated even )
• And of course many many more things we see/do/talk/read on a daily basis that we don't give a second thought.

So back to pretty much everything requiring being 'carded' for tracking purposes on the serfs, as i keep saying. 

And yes, its unconstitutional for a variety of reasons. ( tho i realize countries like Australia and the UK operate under different rules )

Oh and those that support taking rights away, deserve none of their own. ( sorry to paraphrase Ben F somewhat, but its true, and i do believe that )

I was really making fun of him for opposing the porn laws, not Australia's social media law.

Sun Dec 15 2024 01:05:22 UTC from zelgomer Subject: Re: Australian "know your customer" laws.

2024-12-13 23:54 from SouthernComputerGeek <msgrhys@uncensored.citadel.org>

Subject: Re: Australian "know your customer" laws.
Dude quit whining about your lack of pornhub access, you're too old
for that trash.

"If you don't do anything wrong then you have nothing to hide."

Shut the fuck up, you retarded niggerfaggot.

Dude quit whining about your lack of pornhub access, you're too old for that trash.

Fri Nov 29 2024 01:50:44 UTC from Nurb432 Subject: Australian "know your customer" laws.

One more step ... Told ya the farce of 'under 18 porn online laws' was just the beginning.

One more step ... Told ya the farce of 'under 18 porn online laws' was just the beginning.  Now, every.. single.. social media outlet has to track every single user and ID them, if they live in Australia.  Next the UK.   then the US.  if you get online, you will have to ID yourself so you can be tracked. 

https://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/wireStory/australian-senate-passes-social-media-ban-young-children-116302581

Personally i dont think onion is worth anything now either.  They used to be funny, but they are trash now ( at least to me ).  The Bee stepped up and took their place.

And while i didn't follow the entire story as i wasn't a fan of his either, what bit i did hear, i do agree what they did to Alex was wrong. But when you own the system, including the courts, its how it works.

Seems California just banned satire. 

Wed Oct 09 2024 13:04:52 EDT from Nurb432

Looks like Musk sold out, is complying with Brazil court orders.

As always, money wins. 

You are late to *that* party, man.

Looks like Musk sold out, is complying with Brazil court orders.

As always, money wins. 

sort of like what i tell people at work

"Our users are idiots since they dont know how to xyz, it so simple" "Yes, you are right, they dont know as that is our job, its why we exist. And, i bet if you tried to do their job for a week, you would look like an idiot"

( tho that is veering OT of the room a bit.. )

Right, knowing the insides and out of the phone that you know how to operate, that is a techs job.  its 2024, a phone is a consumer object, not much different in principle than a toaster. Turn it on, it does stuff. 

Sure, it would be nice to have people understand more of the 'hows' 'whys' and 'risks' but its not a realistic expectation any more than they know how the screen on their TV works.." i turn it on, cat videos play, it dies, it goes to the shop". Most people don't have the brain power, or interest. "its a black box, it should spit out cat video when i want"

Wed Sep 25 2024 19:13:20 EDT from darknetuser

If you are supposed to drive a truck, you are expected to know how to drive a truck. Yes, fixing the truck when it breaks is a tech's job, but using the truck for regular operation is the driver's.

its still not an excuse for them to do it.  Besides 99% of the population have zero concept of any of that. "i bought a phone.. its mine"

While i disagree with the concept, at the least if you were leasing features, didn't pay, then they vanished i understand.   But this is different and if they do it, the flood gates open. 

Wed Sep 25 2024 18:20:13 EDT from darknetuser

If you get stuff removed from your phone, you had it comming because you were knowingly using a backdoored system and took no precautions.

Due to a court order in Argentina, they are demanding that google immediately remove apps from android devices. its one thing to remove things from their store ( this was side loaded however ), its their house, their rules, but if they comply and touch devices, this will be the beginning of the end.  ( i still remember when Amazon accidentally removed 1984 from kindle devices.. Went over like a lead balloon.)

( all related to stupid IP and media industry attacking everyone that breathes, but that's for another day )

https://torrentfreak.com/court-orders-google-to-uninstall-pirate-iptv-app-sideloaded-on-android-devices-240923/

Free-walls are really getting annoying.

Its not going to stop the bots, which is just an excuse to let them better track what WE say and read.

Ya, true. Wasn't thinking about that.  But, still.. before Feb. 

Sat Sep 07 2024 16:06:21 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Even if the election is stolen successfully, Kommie Kunt Kamala won't take power until January 20 :)

Im afraid we will see this sort of thing here on January 7th. When Harris puts out 1000s of executive orders, that have already been drafted. FreeSpeech, gone. 2A, gone.. Personal income, gone.....and many others.  I bet they allow extradition for Musk, since regardless of the things i don't like him for, he does get credit for not playing ball with the government.

"Last week, Musk closed X’s offices in Brazil as the battle with de Moraes intensified after the judge threatened to arrest employees for not complying with his orders to remove certain accounts.

The judge, who has been dubbed “Darth Vader” by Musk, took the war to an entirely new level with his ban and the threat of financial ruin to anyone who uses a VPN to skirt the unelected judicial tyrant’s diktat, with violators to face fines of up to $9,000 a day in what The New York Times described as “a highly unusual move.”

De Moraes called Musk an “outlaw” in his order, accusing him of intending to “allow the massive spread of disinformation, hate speech and attacks on the democratic rule of law, violating the free choice of the electorate, by keeping voters away from real and accurate information.”

"Mark Zuckerberg admits Facebook censorship, vows to push back on pressure by WH for censorship and curb election donations"

Ya, only because its not going his way now. If it is, hes 100% all-in.   Scumbag.

Ouch. Not verified this however.

"On Saturday, authorities in France arrested Pavel Durov, the founder and CEO of the encrypted messaging app Telegram whose platform has gained in popularity as authoritarian regimes have flexed their censorship powers in a sweeping crackdown on dissent, especially across the pond.

The 39-year-old billionaire was taken into custody by police after he landed at Le Bourget airport at around 8 p.m. after he flew in from Azerbaijan, according to French media outlet TF1 Info.

The country’s authorities reportedly claim that Telegram’s encryption tools make it complicit in such criminal activity as drug trafficking, conspiracy, and pedophilia although the warrant was only subject to enforcement if Durov was on French soil, which he was when his private plane landed."

Ah ok.

i was thinking perhaps a clown nose..  but same idea at least, so i was close :)

Clown World in general, but also a podcast I listened to liked to insert a clown horn sound effect every time he said "Reason magazine".

Loompanics books too.. I had forgot about them. Another loss when they went away. ( tho i think their writers were eventually published by Paladin, but i could be remembering that wrong its been decades )

Ok i know im slow with humor, and not up on a lot of things...  but i dont get the 'honk' reference.

Mon Aug 19 2024 12:02:04 EDT from nonservator

Reason magazine (honk honk honk) .

 

lol

Wont say exactly where other than dark web.. but a book site, the 2 top books for the week is Uncle Fester's meth book and some Japanese porn magazine.

I used to have most of Uncle Fester's books back in the old days.  Got rid of them all as PDFs became available since the were sort of 'neat to have, but not take up shelf space'.  Paladin Press. Such a loss to the freedom community when they folded.

Reason magazine (honk honk honk) ran a debate in 2005, I think, between the CEO of Cypress Semiconductor and the CEO of Whole Foods regarding the role of business in shaping social policy. Cypress CEO took the old-school "I don't give a shit about social policy; I just want to make money for shareholders" position, and the Whole Foods CEO took the position that it was desirable (and profitable) to use one's market position to "nudge" people toward desired social outcomes.

Knowing the general makeup of that magazine's readers, which side would you think "won the debate" according to the readers?

If you said Cypress, you're wrong.

Fuck those clowns at "Reason" (honk honk honk).

Bro really wants his pornhub access back.

I guess the new law here about registering for 'adult oriented content', while it had an injunction for a while, that was struck down while it makes its way thru court. The rationale "well, Texas has a law just like it"  Um. no, that is not a valid reason to allow an unconstitutional law to be enforced while its being tied up in the courts

S i guess that means any site that 'might have adult oriented content' that is accessible here in this state must either block access outright , or start collecting ID and track every access, and report it back to the state.    Which is nearly everything, if you want to 'go there' with how intentionally vague that rule is.

Fuck that retarded wanna-be nigger.

Rights for me but not for thee..  UK rules and roundups coming soon. 

"As vice president, a senator, and California’s attorney general, Harris backed policies that imposed restrictions on speech, including by defending a law eventually struck down by the Supreme Court, which forced pro-life pregnancy centers to advertise abortions. On the campaign trail, Harris has indicated support for holding social media platforms “accountable” for “hate speech” and misinformation online."

"The head of police is now threatening extradition and jail time to U.S. citizens for online posts allegedly egging on the violence from afar. A Sky News reporter asked London Metropolitan Police Commissioner Mark Rowley about posts made by Elon Musk on the topic.

Rowley responded, "We will throw the full force of the law at people and whether you’re in this country committing crimes on the streets or committing crimes from further afield online we will come after you."

U.K. authorities have already arrested their citizens for online activity, for example, a 55-year-old woman was arrested for "publishing written material to stir up racial hatred” and “false communication.” Two other British men were also arrested for similar social media posts."

"EU threatens Musk with lawsuits if Trump says 'bad things' during his interview

Man, they are gone.

Perhaps instead of an active 'conference' they just broadcast the 'info of the day of important WH topics'.

I still don't want what they say to be filtered, so direct broadcast might be good.

I no longer agree with Jefferson that it's better to have newspapers without government. We don't need Authorized Journalists spinning and concealing and lying. When Trump was elected, I said he should stop having press conferences, because it was stupid to pretend we still lived in the pre-Internet times. Anyone who wants to hear what he has to say can easily hear or read it, and we don't need anyone else to tell us what he said. So "press conferences" are not just a waste of time, but an additional filter in the game of telephone that introduces increasing amounts of distortion and lies. If every "media outlet" in America were to disappear overnight, nothing of value would be lost. And people would continue to share information and discuss it with each other, and that sharing and discussion would be far easier and more productive without the bullshit and lies of the media megaphones.

Cool.  Odysee is dropping ADs off the platform.  Sure, people may do AD placement to make a buck or 2, but no more platform level nonsense.

Yes it helps, but i suspect it will spill over somewhat into the country, as that is where the food is...

Any civil war is going to be scattered guerilla warfare, concentrated in major metropolitan centers. Stay out of them, and your odds of safety and survival increase dramatically. Not like the UK, an island the size of the state of Wyoming.

Consolation is if 'we' win the coming civil war, all that stuff goes away.   If we lose, we all die anyway.

Wed Aug 07 2024 18:40:37 EDT from nonservator

When a law is impossible to obey, it works to their advantage. When it's impossible to enforce, it works to mine.

When a law is impossible to obey, it works to their advantage. When it's impossible to enforce, it works to mine.

Aside from the result of squelching speech and loss of anonymity and added government surveillance, it will also work towards squelching the small players, as they cant afford to comply.

I'm sure companies like FB helped push this along.  Not like its the first time this sort of thing has been pushed "hey, we can cost them out of business...."

Wed Aug 07 2024 14:38:48 EDT from nonservator

My response is "Do it, faggot." Or, "Oh no, Br'er Fox, please don't t'row me in dat briar patch."

My response is "Do it, faggot." Or, "Oh no, Br'er Fox, please don't t'row me in dat briar patch."

No, but its the 2nd step.

Step one was to snow the radicals into supporting it. That was accomplished.

Wed Aug 07 2024 12:59:55 EDT from nonservator

If they want the US to be the UK, they can't just snap their fingers and pass a law.

If they want the US to be the UK, they can't just snap their fingers and pass a law.

Great, now a national push for 'kids online safety'  means registration for all by all.. and recording of content accessed

"kids online safety act" Made it thru the senate. Of course the house will eat that up, more surveillance of the people = yay!

In that respect I'll grant you black Americans are better than lawyers

I dont disagree, but sometimes, its only the small loud % of a group that gives the rest a bad 'name'.   

Tue Jul 23 2024 09:17:09 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

"Not all X are like that" doesn't help me or the opposing case.

Stereotypes don't just come into existence out of nowhere. If a stereotype exists it's because a lot of X are like that, enough for someone to notice, enough for a lot of people to notice.

Nigger, you the gayest.

Sun Jul 21 2024 11:48:34 EDT from Nurb432

But not everyone is like that. I support their right to do it, even if i wouldn't be interest in it myself.

 

"i may not agree with what you say, but i will fight for your right to say it" (say what? he wasn't referring to speech)

Sun Jul 21 2024 11:41:49 EDT from nonservator

I realized over thirty years ago that most people screeching about "freedom" were only interested in the freedom to suck cock, smoke crack, and pierce the body part of their choice.

 

Nothing is absolute in the world. When its about groups of people...

Sun Jul 21 2024 12:46:36 EDT from nonservator

"Not all X are like that" doesn't help me or the opposing case.

"Not all X are like that" doesn't help me or the opposing case.

But not everyone is like that. I support their right to do it, even if i wouldn't be interest in it myself.

"i may not agree with what you say, but i will fight for your right to say it"

Sun Jul 21 2024 11:41:49 EDT from nonservator

I realized over thirty years ago that most people screeching about "freedom" were only interested in the freedom to suck cock, smoke crack, and pierce the body part of their choice.

I realized over thirty years ago that most people screeching about "freedom" were only interested in the freedom to suck cock, smoke crack, and pierce the body part of their choice.

LoL drove past a rather classic 'purveyor of free speech' this morning. Didn't know they were still in business.  Appears to still be a bookstore and 'dance club/bar' and 'vip rooms'.

Used to go bookstore there in the mid-80s as they were the only place on the south side of town that sold 'high times' magazine. Never did go into the bar/club area, wasn't interested.  ( tho, even if i was interested, i was 19 or so and bars require 21 here )

The next closest was clear on the far east side of town, at a record/smoke shop and too far to drive just for a magazine.  Now if i was buying vinyl or band posters or something, it was the place to go in the area. I guess after that market collapsed due to the internet, they moved, downsized and just became a head-shop, ironically across the street from an "adult supply" store.

>Seriously, does he sound like a conservative in here at all? No.

"Forsooth!", the Buckleyite controlled opposition cry. "How can one possibly vote for the vulgarian who is NOT EVEN -- gasp! -- a REAL CONSERVATIVE!?"

Fag.

"Why are you so mad?" The troll cries out in pain as he strikes you.

Come back when you're willing to substantively engage with any of my points.

So, according to your world view, a person is not free to only agree with some things another person states/believes/whatever. It has to be absolute and you must get your boots on and fall in line 100% or go home.

gotcha. 

Tue Jul 16 2024 21:29:09 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

Nurb has the audacity to quote Reagan, but the two are polar opposites on social issues.

Rose colored glasses. 

Tue Jul 16 2024 21:26:32 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

I see you are all still boiling.

Wont get into it again with you, but i will say that i follow no label. 

But if i was *forced* to, due to some oncoming purge or something of 'undecideds' i would fall more into the libertarian camp than the other 2 modern ones. Or, id support a total benevolent dictatorship, as long as i was the dictator.

Seriously, does he sound like a conservative in here at all? No.

Tue Jul 16 2024 21:30:46 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

It has become obvious to me that Nurb is not a conservative; he is a disenchanted liberal.

Mon Jul 15 2024 07:57:28 EDT from darknetuser

2024-07-05 16:06 from SouthernComputerGeek
No, you are a Democrat pretending to be a Republican.

You are very bad at trolling. Try better next time. We are veteran Internet settlers.

 

It has become obvious to me that Nurb is not a conservative; he is a disenchanted liberal.

Mon Jul 15 2024 07:57:28 EDT from darknetuser

2024-07-05 16:06 from SouthernComputerGeek
No, you are a Democrat pretending to be a Republican.

You are very bad at trolling. Try better next time. We are veteran Internet settlers.

Nurb has the audacity to quote Reagan, but the two are polar opposites on social issues.

I see you are all still boiling.

And other restrictions, such as on the 2A...   Can we say NFA anyone?  Oh and the racist bias in things like the NFA.  And a host of others....  Expansion of executive branch powers..  Oppressive "police actions" ( ie freaking wars )  bla bla bla

"fine" is all about which side you were on at any given moment in time. But few people who think they are better than others realize this.

Mon Jul 15 2024 07:54:10 EDT from darknetuser

Not surprised tho about the mushroom comment. Figured you were
against that too. Um, am I even allowed to discuss psychedelic drugs,
or is that also banned speech in your world, since im sure it
violates your concept of offensive?

I was about to say "I guess early 20th Century America was fine, as long as you ignored the prohibition."

Back in 1940, while the Hitler/Stalin alliance was still flourishing, Dalton Trumbo wrote an anti-war play to encourage the US to stay out of WWII. Once the alliance was broken, and the “Help!” signal went out from Moscow, Trumbo stopped printing the play and did everything he could to get the existing copies pulped. A few years later, a couple of anti-war protesters who didn’t know the story behind this wrote to Trumbo to ask where they could find a copy of the play. His response to these people who just wanted to read his words and express their beliefs? He reported them to the FBI as likely Nazi sympathizers.

Now, to be fair, Trumbo did later say that he regretted this, but also to be fair, reading his rationale makes it sound like he regrets it less because he realized that persecuting people for wanting a play was wrong and more because it drew the FBI’s attention to him. After all, the feds seemed less interesting in arresting these alleged Nazis than they did in why Trumbo would

lol

Fri Jul 05 2024 21:16:24 EDT from zelgomer

Well this room has been quite a ride. Now if you'll all excuse me, I will be spending my Friday evening enjoying some lucious "free speech."

Myself, as i see modern US politics. Its a uni-party.  Everything is in name only to split the funding and provide distraction to the serfs.. The "circus" 

Been that way a long time. Before any of us were around.

Sure a few outlier nutcases, but the 'system' is one unit.

Fri Jul 05 2024 18:04:09 EDT from nonservator

I'm not "conservative" because "conservaitves" are useless.

For a while there, when most Silicon Valley platforms wanted to ban you from using their service, they would come to you with vague weasel words that boiled down to: "This can all be over if you'll just confess and proclaim your guilt." It's libertarian paternalism combined with Maoist struggle sessions, and it's even more ironic, hilarious and disgusting because every major Western social media company was founded using taxpayer money funneled into black budget tech projects whose goal was to produce spying tools that would gather every bit of information that people willingly put online. Facebook sells access to your "direct" messages (notice, they very specifically don't call them private), as well as posts you've supposedly limited access to, and even images that you've uploaded but haven't yet posted. Google sells - hell, gives! - their media partners access to your browsing history.  These folks have some balls calling their companies "private", especially when they make all their damn money sellin

So yeah. FUCK libertarians.

I'm not "conservative" because "conservaitves" are useless. (If 'the right" have been in charge of the American government for nearly twice as long as their opposition, why does the shitlib position always win, on every issue?) I'm not Republican, because Republicans are cowards - standing athwart the train tracks of history, yelling "Not in the face!" (Whenever a Republican announces he or she is "voting their conscience", it's so puzzling and mysterious how almost every single time their "conscience" is forcing them to vote against a supposedly conservative position. If a Democrat "votes their conscience" and goes against the herd, they're expelled from the party - see Zell Miller for just one of countless examples.)

Conservatives, as Sam Francis put it, are "beautiful losers" who wil be marched to the gas chamber while screeching about "MUH CONSTITUTION!" Their insistence on "principles" - and the avoidance of culture - is why the shitlibs and neocons were able to infiltrate and control virtually every institution that leaned even a little to the right.

Democrats are CNN: Actively and openly spreading lies and propaganda. Republicans are Fox: Portraying theselves as an "alternative" while viciously attacking anyone to the right, in order to prevent genuine populist and conservative parties or organizations from forming.

Conservatism is a sucide pact: Choose the identity politics of the left, or the moral high ground of "individualism". Either be moral and lose, or give up your morals for some tiny chance at winning. The left rely on the fact that most people who oppose them also place a high value on morality. Conservatives only exist because they serve as an electric fence to prevent people from actually seeing or crossing over to the right.

There is a part of the conservative sphere that has always felt populism is the ultimate sin, that only the Left should be allowed to fight culture wars, and that any genuine conservative grassroots movements should be immediately run down with rhetorical lawn mowers.

The Republican Party has provem impossible to reform, for the same reason Washington itself is beyond reform: When leaders are so corrupt they need reform forced upon them, it should be self-evident they're so corrupt they'll find a way to thwart any attempted reform.

Republicans are the ones who refused to take action on China beyond some BS tariffs. They passed sweeping draconian measures because of COVID, but then balked when people who were legally banned from working asked for government assistance. They balked at healthcare reform while giving billions in bailouts to insurance companies. They "shut down the governmentnt" and denied COLA raises, but exempted themselves from pay stoppages and gave themselves raises. They exempt themselves from insider trading laws, they routinely porkbarrel bullshit infrastructure projects into random bills for political kickbacks, they give absurd tax breaks to companies like Walmart and Amazon to the point that a half trillion dollar company pays a functional tax rate of zero percent - all while wages stagnate, our cost of living increases, and corporate execs funnel more money out of the US to their developing market mutual funds and offshore accounts. But why, oh why would anyone vote for that ill-mannered vulgarian Trump over

The neoliberals and neocons have the vast majority of Western media, academia and basically all corporations. The right has One America Network, Right Side Broadcasting Network, some podcasts, and mypillow dot com. "How many divisions does the Pope have?" LOL!

The one thing "conservatives" have managed to conserve is the ability of the Republican Party to faithfully serve as an escape valve for white peoiple. The sooner that lie collapses, the better.

No, you are a Democrat pretending to be a Republican.

Fri Jul 05 2024 16:05:28 EDT from Nurb432

damned spell/typo heck  ->  authoritarian ***

Fri Jul 05 2024 16:02:30 EDT from Nurb432

Against any speech, you are against the concept. Period. You are an authoritative ***, hiding behind the term freedom, pretending.

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Fri Jul 05 2024 16:02:30 EDT from Nurb432

Against any speech, you are against the concept. Period. You are an authoritative ***, hiding behind the term freedom, pretending.

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Pornography is not speech. How do you not understand that?

Fri Jul 05 2024 16:02:30 EDT from Nurb432

Against any speech, you are against the concept. Period. You are an authoritative ***, hiding behind the term freedom, pretending.

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Fri Jul 05 2024 15:56:04 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

 

Discussing drugs is speech and like I keep saying I am FOR freedom of speech. I simply correctly stated that pornography is free speech because it is not speech.

 

Why do you atheists always confuse 'establishment of religion' with 'religion'?

Against any speech, you are against the concept. Period. You are an authoritative ***, hiding behind the term freedom, pretending.

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Fri Jul 05 2024 15:56:04 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

 

Discussing drugs is speech and like I keep saying I am FOR freedom of speech. I simply correctly stated that pornography is free speech because it is not speech.

I mentioned my feelings about that above. 

Adults, between adults, do whatever the hell you want.  As long as its not in public and does not effect the rest of us. I compared it to current DWI/PI type laws. Most of the places 'it was tried' as you say, did not have the same level of restrictions. And  beyond that, the lack of any enforcement ( or even encouragement of breaking law ) is the real issue in those areas. 

Fri Jul 05 2024 15:56:04 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

Oh you want to legalize drugs. Look at the liberal hellholes where that has been tried, they are in shambles.

 

Tell me the "establishment of religion" that it respects.

Fri Jul 05 2024 15:56:50 EDT from Nurb432

Yes. Does not make it correct, similar to my statement about unconstitutional laws.

Fri Jul 05 2024 15:42:03 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

You do realize our national motto is "In God We Trust" don't you?

 

Yes. Does not make it correct, similar to my statement about unconstitutional laws. They may exist, but does not make them correct.. And 'which god'? But that is a topic or anther room, not here. 

And i clearly remember it being explained to us in grade school while saying the pledge we did not have to speak of imaginary creatures if we didn't want to, with no repercussions. And why it was this way.  Freedom of speech. Separation of church and state. The first amendment. See how it works and ties together?

Fri Jul 05 2024 15:42:03 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

You do realize our national motto is "In God We Trust" don't you?

Fri Jul 05 2024 15:56:04 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

Discussing drugs is speech and like I keep saying I am FOR freedom of speech. I simply correctly stated that pornography is free speech because it is not speech.

*I simply correctly stated that pornography is NOT free speech because it is not speech.

Oh you want to legalize drugs. Look at the liberal hellholes where that has been tried, they are in shambles.

Fri Jul 05 2024 15:51:13 EDT from Nurb432

Not surprised tho about the mushroom comment. Figured you were against that too. Um, am I even allowed to discuss psychedelic drugs, or is that also banned speech in your world, since im sure it violates your concept of offensive?

 

Discussing drugs is speech and like I keep saying I am FOR freedom of speech. I simply correctly stated that pornography is free speech because it is not speech.

Not sure what i said would imply that.  But to be clear, i do think we were far more free in the beginning, and slowly over the generations that has been eroded, for a variety of reasons and a number ways. Was it ever perfect? No, of course not, and there were things that needed fixing. Nothing ever is perfect, but restricting freedoms based on some stupid opinion is never the answer.  More freedom, for everyone, is always the answer.

Not surprised tho about the mushroom comment. Figured you were against that too. Um, am I even allowed to discuss psychedelic drugs, or is that also banned speech in your world, since im sure it violates your concept of offensive?

Fri Jul 05 2024 15:40:51 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

I suppose you are one of those idiots that thinks America was a totalitarian hellhole until the Supreme Court made a bunch of mushroom fueled decisions in the late 20th century, Nurb?

For the longest time America was a de facto Christian nation. And yet we had freedom of religion. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

Nurb is clearly more of a Democrat than he would like to admit.

You do realize our national motto is "In God We Trust" don't you?

I suppose you are one of those idiots that thinks America was a totalitarian hellhole until the Supreme Court made a bunch of mushroom fueled decisions in the late 20th century, Nurb?

I advocate a return to America as it was in the 20th century shortly after the 19th was enacted, minus the segregation. Does that sound bad to you?

Fri Jul 05 2024 15:33:00 EDT from Nurb432

Or, how about if a women wears pants.. Or gets to vote... Or speaks out of turn... How far back in time do you want to go?

But only if it complies with your personal opinions.  If it does not, then it does not get to exist and must be eradicated.  Sounds like authoritarianism to me. Not freedom. Again, where does it stop? One day you wake up and dont think men should have long hair,  as its your new opinion that its intrinsically bad and morally offensive ( which has been the case, if you studied history.. even in the US it was frowned upon ). Does that mean it gets banned and we cant even discuss it in private, in this wonderful world of yours where freedom is fleeting based on the opinion of the day?

Or, how about if a women wears pants.. Or gets to vote... Or speaks out of turn... How far back in time do you want to go? 

And if you think speech and religion are not intertwined, you are sadly deluded ( or misinformed ) and must be a product of modern public schooling.

Fri Jul 05 2024 15:23:05 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

You don't have a clue what you're talking about. I am advocating a return to America as it was in the early 20th century minus the segregation.

 

How in the sam hill did you derive that from what I said?

Fri Jul 05 2024 15:29:47 EDT from nonservator

Good to know you don't believe in fredom of association. It makes you as useless as every other so-called "conservative" who hasn't even conserved women's bathrooms.

Good to know you don't believe in fredom of association. It makes you as useless as every other so-called "conservative" who hasn't even conserved women's bathrooms.

It would actually be a net-gain of freedom.

Fri Jul 05 2024 15:23:05 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

You don't have a clue what you're talking about. I am advocating a return to America as it was in the early 20th century minus the segregation.

Fri Jul 05 2024 15:12:03 EDT from Nurb432

Well, childish name calling was uncalled for.   Feel free to live in your Utopian freedom-less authoritarian bubble based on irrelevant, outdated and twisted opinions, and ill keep my freedom.

 

I didn't let it go, as you are simply wrong and anti-free.  You from southern Russia by chance? I assumed US, but i think i might have been wrong.

Fri Jul 05 2024 14:57:41 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

You just can't let it go, can you? And you attack me with strawman arguments about freedom of religion. Freaking jerk.

 

 

You don't have a clue what you're talking about. I am advocating a return to America as it was in the early 20th century minus the segregation.

Fri Jul 05 2024 15:12:03 EDT from Nurb432

Well, childish name calling was uncalled for.   Feel free to live in your Utopian freedom-less authoritarian bubble based on irrelevant, outdated and twisted opinions, and ill keep my freedom.

 

I didn't let it go, as you are simply wrong and anti-free.  You from southern Russia by chance? I assumed US, but i think i might have been wrong.

Fri Jul 05 2024 14:57:41 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

You just can't let it go, can you? And you attack me with strawman arguments about freedom of religion. Freaking jerk.

 

Well, childish name calling was uncalled for.   Feel free to live in your Utopian freedom-less authoritarian bubble based on irrelevant, outdated and twisted opinions, and ill keep my freedom.

I didn't let it go, as you are simply wrong and anti-free.  You from southern Russia by chance? I assumed US, but i think i might have been wrong.

Fri Jul 05 2024 14:57:41 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

You just can't let it go, can you? And you attack me with strawman arguments about freedom of religion. Freaking jerk.

 

A crooked court decided that porn is somehow speech. There, fixed it for you.

Fri Jul 05 2024 11:45:32 EDT from fandarel

People much smarter than me ruled decades ago that porn is free speech

 

You just can't let it go, can you? And you attack me with strawman arguments about freedom of religion. Freaking jerk.

Fri Jul 05 2024 12:24:07 EDT from Nurb432

 

And related to the original topic, I wonder what our new friend would think of about nudist camps. Should those be banned too? What about alternative religions to his, do they get free speech and free practice? Some consider wicca to be obscene ( and some Christianity.. ).  Where is this line? Who gets to win over others, and why?

ya im opinionated on rights and freedoms :)

While it does come dangerously close to infringement, i'm ok with banning this specific subject in *public* if its not accepted by the majority, at the time. But as adults, no one, i repeat NO ONE, has a right to ban anything between consenting adults in private. I don't care if its images, videos, books, people talking to each other, people swinging from the ceiling, playing DND, whatever. I'm even against banning drugs IF you keep it between consenting adults, and don't impact anyone else. ( like with drinking, you don't drive around....  keep it at the bar/home, and don't come stealing my cash to pay for your booze ).

The reason i say its dangerously close, is if you end up with a certain kind of majority, speaking out against your government is considered obscene, and you are then screwed as then you basically have no freedom of public speech, since the government will get to decide what is ok or not, and not the majority. So even 'good intentions' can be twisted around backwards.  Its why you dont limit freedoms. Someone WILL eventually take advantage of it.

Other than the few exceptions such as slander and similar events, speech can not be restricted. Period. Does not matter what you call the speech, it needs to be left alone.  And yes, art, is a form of speech.  Even if its stupid, like pee bags with images of Jesus on them. Its art to someone, so its art.

And related to the original topic, I wonder what our new friend would think of about nudist camps. Should those be banned too? What about alternative religions to his, do they get free speech and free practice? Some consider wicca to be obscene ( and some Christianity.. ).  Where is this line? Who gets to win over others, and why?

Free speech was always a red herring and always will be.

In the glorious future, only hot librarians will be allowed.

Ok that didn't go as planned.

I was trying to be funny, with the traditional stereotype of your average librarian being 25, female, and hot 

Yeah, fuck librarians too. Had more than enough of their whinging about muh freeze peach and "banned books" that can be readily acquired by any idiot with the money to burn. They're part of the "holy trinity" - policemen, librarians and postal workers - that always get trotted out as nostalgia bait to threaten us with. "Oh, you don't want to shut down the government! That means no more post office or library or Officer Friendly walking his beat!" Choke on a cock and die in a fire with that retarded bullshit.

What about librarians?  

:) 

Fri Jul 05 2024 06:56:37 EDT from nonservator

Fuck commies, fuck "conservatives", and fuck libertarians.

 

Fuck commies, fuck "conservatives", and fuck libertarians.

I'd have far less problem with a law outlawing pornography than with any "know your user" shit.

The great noodley one does not approve.

I considered this conversation over, but I came back to find you are continuing your idiocy, and I cannot help but rebut it once more.

First of all, I am all for freedom of speech, but I also understand that pornography is not speech.

Second, "freedom of expression" is not in the constitution, only freedom of speech.

PS: Just so you know, I am a social conservative, NOT a libertarian.

shoot, i meant to include at least one reference, i really was not making it up.

https://www.newsweek.com/clarence-thomas-warns-danger-supreme-court-decision-snapchat-section-230-1920205

Related to the law about requiring registration to view 'adult oriented content'..

I dont know details, not real important, but there was a case at SCOTUS this week regarding a teacher using snapchat for grooming students. (ok, that is wrong but its not a constitutional issue ). Something about trying to get them out of section 230, due to their *users* actions.  They voted not to bother to hear it. ( a flaw in our Constitution, but for another day ) 2 normally conservative justices were the dissenters and one put out a statement ( as they always do ) but 2 items really caught my eye:  

• "It will come up again and not hearing this now, will delay our us holding media platforms accountable for their platforms."  its not their fault that they have bad users. Cant hold companies liable for what their customers do.  Even discussing that at this level is a bad precedent, and clearly he has intent and desire ..
• And he goes on to say "flaws like allowing people to auto delete posts or lie about their age or identity.".. and that its "a defective design"   yikes. Not good. this is a bad road to go down. And from what normally is a conservative. 

Sounds like 'know your user' mandates is coming... As well as self-policing ALL content, especially private conversations. And not just stuff the platform owner dislikes.  I assume that also means phone/data companies, and no more end-to-end encryption. Oh and do we now get to hold Microsoft liable for letting them type bad things in the first place, or deleting files? Monitor companies for displaying the content ?  Do we hold Ford liable due to letting someone kidnap the person groomed on shapchat, using a windows computer, and phone, on the AT&T network with an LG large screen monitor, and put them in the back seat and be able to start the car still? How about sidewalks.. people hide their identity and do bad things there too.. or the park.. Bar codes on our forehead and tracker chips in our neck? Mandatory monitoring of all people and all devices? How far does it go before its stopped?   Orwell would be proud ( ok, not really, but you get the point )

I hope we didn't run him off.. 

Mon Jul 01 2024 22:45:44 EDT from zelgomer

Are you aware that you're on a message board called "Uncensored"?

Which was the "setup" here in my state.  and why it got shut down ( for now.. with luck permanent )

"adult oriented material" is pretty damned vague. on purpose. Hell that would even cover something as minor as Steven King books.. Not that i read them as its not my thing, but the government has no business knowing i don't. ( part of the law was 'audit on demand' so they had to give out periodic list of who accessed what. )

Also could cover gun related books, stores.. 18+ for that too. ( many have the 'im over 18' button on them now.. ).  Have to show ID at the door and its recorded, if all you do is browse...  ( gets around if you pay cash for that ammo...now they know )

Wed Jul 03 2024 04:57:46 EDT from darknetuser

. Today they try to ban porn, tomorrow they use those same mechanisms to ban something you care about.

lol   ya :)

Mon Jul 01 2024 22:45:44 EDT from zelgomer

Are you aware that you're on a message board called "Uncensored"?

Honestly, don't care.  Many, ( one can argue most, but not all, i do fully admit ) laws are unconstitutional, and just plain wrong. That they are a 'law' is irrelevant, in the discussion of right and wrong. And true, some are more of a violation than others. In the 2A community we deal with this all the time.  Just because a law has not been struck down yet does not make it 'right'.  And even said unconstitutional law makes it to SCOTUS and isn't struck down ( or ignored ), it simply means they messed up, it does not magically become 'ok' to infringe.

True, its a law, and you might go to prison for violation, but its still wrong in this context.

And i can go back to my example of other countries, most who are even worse. Its law there for xyz that we would not even think of doing.  And its still wrong, even if their social constructs, or random belief system, allows, or even demands, it.

Remember too, i'm one that feels the constitution did not go far enough.  It was a great foundation, but they needed to build it a bit stronger to withstand attacks from within. They wrongly assumed that future generations would improve, not destroy, the groundwork they created and the way of life they dreamed of.

Mon Jul 01 2024 19:33:29 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

 Ever heard of the Communications Decency Act?

 

And sorry for the typos.  you are new, you will get used to it :)

Stupid auto spell 'fix' which makes it look like its correct, and my lack of proofreading for correct word context before i post, gets me every time.  I really am not that illiterate :) 

To you its pron, to another its art. To another, its free speech. To another its silliness. To another, it might be against their region and constitute the death penalty.

The lesser should always win. That is what liberty is all about. 

And who is to say the true intent of David? Leonardo could have meant it as a sexual object, and laughed at everyone who viewed it "suckers". He did have a sense of humor.. No one knows for sure.   

To be clear, when I say 'pornography' I mean videos, photos or drawings of people engaging in sexual activity.

Many, believe it is.   which is exactly part of my point.

*sigh* the statue of David is not pornography.

Mon Jul 01 2024 19:41:35 EDT from Nurb432

I assume you also feel the statue of David should be torn down? It has that evil nudity so cant be 'art'... 

I guess we just have to agree to disagree.  

I assume you also feel the statue of David should be torn down? It has that evil nudity so cant be 'art'...  

Mon Jul 01 2024 19:33:29 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

Surely you, a human being with a functioning brain, can understand that pornography is not speech.

Surely you, a human being with a functioning brain, can understand that pornography is not speech. Just as hanging rubber testicles from the bumper of your truck is also not speech. It is not unconstitutional to ban obscenity. Ever heard of the Communications Decency Act?

Mon Jul 01 2024 19:11:29 EDT from Nurb432

"i may not agree with your speech, but ill still fight to protect your right to say it".

Why?  While its not for me either, why would you try to restrict what another *adult* can view? ( assuming all parties are consenting adults of course. not going ' go there' in this discussion ) How is it harming you in any way at all? No one is saying you have to watch/view..    "i may not agree with your speech, but ill still fight to protect your right to say it".

If its just that you think its offensive, I happen to think 'rap music' is offensive. but that does not mean it should be outlawed. 

Some in this world claim that even seeing a woman's face is a crime...  Restrictions like this are arbitrary, and ant-liberty.

Mon Jul 01 2024 16:59:03 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

You are hopeless.

Mon Jul 01 2024 12:37:01 EDT from Nurb432

Once a story line is added, its no longer pornography. Plus porn is a form of art.

 

You are hopeless.

Mon Jul 01 2024 12:37:01 EDT from Nurb432

Once a story line is added, its no longer pornography. Plus porn is a form of art.

That is why what many people call porn, has actual content. Once a story line is added, its no longer pornography. Plus porn is a form of art.  May not be art i like, but i refuse to restrict another adults viewing of it.

But again, this is NOT a law targeting porn. Its a law expanding the ability of the government to invade privacy and effect free speech, using porn and children as the excuse.

Mon Jul 01 2024 12:18:36 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

You do know it used to be illegal to make pornography in this country, right?

 

You do know it used to be illegal to make pornography in this country, right?

Mon Jul 01 2024 12:12:42 EDT from Nurb432

Even if that was true, this is not about porn at its core. its about "adult oriented content" which can apply to nearly any arbitrary content they want, and force every adult person to give up their privacy.

Porn is the excuse, and like many laws "but its for the children". When really its not.

Mon Jul 01 2024 12:09:57 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

Pornography is not speech. Make Porn Illegal Again!

 

Even if that was true, this is not about porn at its core. its about "adult oriented content" which can apply to nearly any arbitrary content they want, and force every adult person to give up their privacy.

Porn is the excuse, and like many laws "but its for the children". When really its not.

Mon Jul 01 2024 12:09:57 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

Pornography is not speech. Make Porn Illegal Again!

 

Pornography is not speech. Make Porn Illegal Again!

Sun Jun 30 2024 08:39:35 EDT from Nurb432

Last minute injunction on the 'adult content registration requirement' law.

Regardless of how one feels about keeping kids in their lane, destroying privacy and restricting speech is not the path.

Last minute injunction on the 'adult content registration requirement' law.

Regardless of how one feels about keeping kids in their lane, destroying privacy and restricting speech is not the path.

SCOTUS fails.  

Seems they claim citizens and states don't have "standing" to sue over violations of the first amendment in regards to the federal government 'influencing' social medial companies.  So kick the serfs to the curb and let it continue.  

Disclaimer:  I have not read the ruling yet and just heard a summary, so i could have got wrong info.

Well seems Julian Assange took a plea deal of time-served for pleading guilty.

I have mixed feelings since he really didn't commit any crimes, but i do understand that getting to go home and finally be done with it all is pretty important. 

Don't have all details, i don't want to know them.

Several men in Germany attacked a young girl, filmed it and put it on whats app.  All were convicted between the film and other evidence, and then set free on probation.

A woman sent nasty words to the number associated with the terrible act.  Shes now in jail. 

LoL i read that as "Douglas Adams" and was thinking "when the hell did he say that, only thing i remember is "they were the first up against the wall" scene in HHTG, which did NOT fit this..

Wed Jun 19 2024 16:58:47 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Scott Adams was ridiculed when he predicted that people who oppose The Party would be "hunted." But who's laughing now? He was absolutely spot on.

I even disagree with the other side being cancelled, let them speak nonsense.  

Wed Jun 19 2024 16:58:47 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

 few people disagreed with him being canceled. 

I tried a few sites today actually, looking to see who was popping up the warning.  I found one. So i tried VPN using an out port in a state that has the same sort of law  ( Texas ), and its a hard block.   I'm sure not ALL will follow the rules, but at least one is.  I suppose ones that refuse, is ground to do IP blocking via local ISPs. The precedent is there for 'pirate sites'.   I cant say if Texas is more specific to porn or is as generic as ours is, but its got something and its in effect.

So 'not gonna happen', well it already has.. 

Wed Jun 19 2024 16:55:52 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Never gonna happen. There's too much money in pr0n to allow that to remain in effect. Every pr0n site has a free tier that makes you click "I am over 18" but the people who use the free tier are not going to de-anonymize themselves by submitting identification.

But if it hurts Facebook, I'm all for it. Whatever is bad for Facebook is good for everyone else.

I admit i didnt follow the case, as i thought it was going to be tossed out anyway due to constitutional reasons. ( i also didnt follow the guy, i heard he's a bit of a nutcase, so was never interested )

But, it seems Alex Jones has to pay like 1.2 billion, and lose everything ( including his alt-media company.. silenced ), due to exercising his right of free speech, and not saying what was 'approved' speech?  Or did i miss something here?

Hmm seems here in my state, on the 27th any online service that has 'not appropriate for children' content must now collect your personal information so you can prove you are over 18. Such as drivers licenses, SSNs etc. If you dont, you are supposed to be blocked.

Aside from it being totally useless, i wonder if places like Netflix and Amazon will cut you off if you dont pony up your ID.  Or even FB, and Google..   Or if they add mandatory filtering,  you get the kid friendly stuff without ID, but that is it.  Wonder if R rated shows qualify.. they are 'rated' for mature audience. not 'children' ..   Even the news could qualify if they wanted to push this.

Law suit has been filed against the state by a number of entities, but who knows.

Why does that not surprise me at all ?

I didnt read his exact words as i was not interested in what they lying scumbag has to say, but seems Fauci is upset that free speech allows people to talk bad about him. I am sure a rather common opinion of the political elite 

i was mostly kidding. "if a tree falls... " sort of thing.

If you speak and no one can hear you.. is it still free speech?

Nah, DooM is ok. Now, if you said you played Quake, we would be worried about you.

:) 

While i wont disagree, the left's infiltration into the public school system has done far more damage.

Thu Apr 25 2024 22:16:58 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

.. whose primary function is to turn Americans into blithering idiots ..

I was speaking ore about here in the US due to our laws it woudl make proof hard.

But ya, i have heard of other countries doing stuff like that, which destroys privacy. ( and is still cheetable.. much like having your older friend buy the booze. or buying a fake ID )

Mon Apr 01 2024 03:11:58 EDT from darknetuser

Now, enforcement, that is another issue. "ya, im 18" and no real way
to prove it otherwise.  ( until we are all implanted at birth with
communication/tracking devices )

Some countries are tying DRM-like schemes in which the government gives you a certificate that states your age, and then their plan is to force sites to allow certified people in only. I find this incredibly dangerous because the next step is to issue certificates for arbitrary compliance (ie. being a good Chinesse Communists) and deny Internet usage to disidents.

The "people", im ok with.

Problem is every..single...company is directly tied to the CCP.  When you let a 'Chinese company' in the doors, you let the CCP in too.  Just the nature of things.

Sun Mar 31 2024 20:35:02 EDT from zelgomer

We should be selling guns to the Chinese people so that they can take their country back from the commies.

And yes, I don't trust the federal government to ban much of anything. There's no value in removing options.

So i take it you would disagree with banning Huawei network products, or prohibiting direct investments in enemy companies/states. Or blocking selling/sending enemies arms? 

( no not being sarcastic, but at its core, its effectively what this 'ban' is, not counting the probable mis-use down the road of course )

Technically its not a ban on tiktok, its a ban on the fact its Chinese owned.  All they have to do is sell, then its free to do business here.

Sure, the net result is that it wont get sold and be banned, but its not really against the actual platform as it does have an 'out'. 

Fri Mar 29 2024 19:40:06 EDT from zelgomer

For the record, I am opposed to a TikTok ban regardless of intent or implementation or adherence. If you don't like TikTok, then don't use it. There is no scenario that justifies the government making these decisions for me.

Of course could be false flag too. To scare up the anger. ( from either side )

Still not able to verify.  So donno

Fri Mar 29 2024 10:02:46 EDT from Nurb432

Not really able to verify other than a couple of security cam videos but it looks like FBI is visiting people now who posted anti-Biden tweets, and perhaps FB too. 

Ya, IF it was used as the stated intent and with the original rules ( ie, not banned, just change ownership ), im ok with it.

Tue Mar 26 2024 18:31:32 EDT from Maurer

To be fair,

I am in favor of the "tiktok-bill", because I see it's potential. On the other hand, this bill will also be used to grant the US-citizen less /muh/ freedom.
Why? The US-government will abuse this bill to spy their citizen more, i.e. back in the day of Bush and Obama the CIA and NSA spyed on their citizen due to fear of "national security". They needed an outside threat to justify their abusive relationship with technology which enhances mass-surveilance.

Not really able to verify other than a couple of security cam videos but it looks like FBI is visiting people now who posted anti-Biden tweets, and perhaps FB too. 

Mon Mar 25 2024 17:52:16 EDT from Nurb432

Pretty sure he means the tiktok bill?

• Some feel its just a door way to censorship
• Others feel its to kick the Chinese to the curb.
• Some ( like my self ) think its mostly ( misguided ) legit intent out of fear of the Chinese but will be abused on day 2 due to a combination of lack of analytical thought, and intentional holes.

 

Truth lies somewhere between. 

Mon Mar 25 2024 17:48:39 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

Link, please?

 

To be fair,
I am in favor of the "tiktok-bill", because I see it's potential. On the other hand, this bill will also be used to grant the US-citizen less /muh/ freedom.
Why? The US-government will abuse this bill to spy their citizen more, i.e. back in the day of Bush and Obama the CIA and NSA spyed on their citizen due to fear of "national security". They needed an outside threat to justify their abusive relationship with technology which enhances mass-surveilance.

That same 'law' is being discussed in several countries.  With the same reasoning, and 'holes' that could be potentially exploited. 

Perhaps there its an executive order where he is at, but its not just the US that is doing it. 

Mon Mar 25 2024 22:37:24 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

He said it was their dear leader, not ours.  Wrong nation.

The so-called "tiktok bill" is, like many bills, exactly the opposite of what it claims to be.  That piece of garbage is basically an Internet version of the Patriot Act, designed to give the government powers to infringe upon any site it wants to, just by saying "yep it's subversive and probably controlled by an enemy" without asserting any proof.  Furthermore, there is language written into the bill guaranteeing that any challenge or arbitration would be done in a Washington DC court, which assures us that their intention isn't to take down tiktok but rather to take down free speech and/or conservative sites.

He said it was their dear leader, not ours.  Wrong nation.

The so-called "tiktok bill" is, like many bills, exactly the opposite of what it claims to be.  That piece of garbage is basically an Internet version of the Patriot Act, designed to give the government powers to infringe upon any site it wants to, just by saying "yep it's subversive and probably controlled by an enemy" without asserting any proof.  Furthermore, there is language written into the bill guaranteeing that any challenge or arbitration would be done in a Washington DC court, which assures us that their intention isn't to take down tiktok but rather to take down free speech and/or conservative sites.

Pretty sure he means the tiktok bill?

• Some feel its just a door way to censorship
• Others feel its to kick the Chinese to the curb.
• Some ( like my self ) think its mostly ( misguided ) legit intent out of fear of the Chinese but will be abused on day 2 due to a combination of lack of analytical thought, and intentional holes.

Truth lies somewhere between. 

Mon Mar 25 2024 17:48:39 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

Link, please?

 

Link, please?

Sun Mar 24 2024 13:54:38 EDT from darknetuser

Our beloved Dear Leader is aproving a package of meassues which is going to cut off lots of chat applications and social media platforms normies use to partake in disidence.

I am obviously geared up for censorship circumvention, but I should find some options for my family. I guess the obvious option is renting an VPS, setting some cheap VPN on it, and then routing all their home traffic through it via their home router.

I could also get some dedicated VPN plan. Is there any you find trustworthy enough and you'd like to recommend?

New Florida law signed:

• Minors under 14 must have parental consent for social media.
• All PII for minors must be deleted. 

Que the "hes infringing on free speech". Nah, not really. 

1. Children dont really have a full right of free speech ( or other full constitutional rights, see #2 )
2. But more importantly, children's activities are under direction and responsibility of parents
3. They can still access it, if parents agree. its not like they were banned anyway.

Now, enforcement, that is another issue. "ya, im 18" and no real way to prove it otherwise.  ( until we are all implanted at birth with communication/tracking devices )

Feds posted some sort of fake video on YouTube.  ~30000 views.  "We demand to know who looked at it"  

PIA offers both openvpn and wireguard.

AND lets you change ports, and TCP/UDP options  ( only reason i can get it to work at the office.  UDP )

I have been using PIA ( private internet access ) for several years now.  They have windows, Linux, Android, etc clients. According to reports, they have been sued more than once and pissed off people as they didnt have any logs to give even when ordered to. I trust no one 100%, but that is a few points in their favor.

They also offer static IP with incoming options ..  ( i dont use that however, just outgoing )

I have run into a few cases where i was denied access to things due to the VPN, not location i chose for out-port, just that it was a VPN service at all. I assume that can happen to anyone however.

Hmm and i think there are rewards for turning people in...

I guess part of that 'hate speech is a life sentence' nonsense in Canada, there is a provision to arrest people if the cops suspect they may commit hate speech in the future.  Geeesh

Orwell is spinning in his gave about now..  "i warned you idiots"

OSNews headline: Wikipedia no longer considers CNET a “generally reliable” source after “AI” scandal

First: LOL^9999999999

Second: "A reliable source is a reliable source."

Third: Mass murderer no longer considers wife beater to be a "source of moral authority".

Fourth: So you have one commenter on OSNews who no longer considers Wikipedia a reliable source, who decries their censorship, who says they're a source of indoctrination and false information. Not because of their long history...but because of one specific incident that he doesn't like.In this case, because WIkipedia blocked him for stating that someone was French and not Catalonian.

"Everything was fine until MY PERSONAL BUGABOO WAS OFFENDED."

I didn't see the new Joker movie, but I believe there is a quote from it that seems appropriate:

"YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE!"

I doubt it makes it thru and becomes law, but just the fact it is even being attempted is just insane. 

I have met several, that really should have been on the US side of the border.  

Wed Feb 28 2024 20:26:20 EST from zelgomer

I never met a Canadian who doesn't deserve it.

Canada New Bills introduced: 

• Criminalizes speech that supports fossil fuels
• Life time sentences for what they consider hate speech  ( not actions, speech )

Taking the high road only works in the movies, and when you are a jedi.

In real life, you lose. Your enemy will eat you.

Sat Feb 24 2024 11:58:57 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Also quite tired of the whole "diversity of thought" shibboleth. If someone thinks murder is cool, or that murder is cool as long as you're murdering the right people, I have no room in my life for them, and I don't believe a sane and civilized world should have any place for their "diverse thought".

Interesting to see it described that way.  Whenever I've seen "diversity of thought" it was coming from the good guys.  For example, it is used to criticize academia and other institutions when they push "diversity" so hard, diversity of race, ethnicity, sexual preference, etc. etc. but they're happy to discriminate against people who don't have left-leaning thinking.

 

 

Precisely why this particular turn of phrase began to grate on me. It now strikes me as useless at best and actively counter-productive at worst, like all the appeals to Muh Constitution, because it's so easily turned around and used as a weapon. "Oh, but you wouldn't want to BETRAY your PRECIOUS PRINCIPLES, would you? You wouldn't want to be a HYPOCRITE!" Well, screw that. Because I have absolutely zero compunction about defanging or eliminating those who hate me when I know perfectly well they're perfectly happy to eliminate me "by any means necessary" whenever they think they can get away with it.

Also quite tired of the whole "diversity of thought" shibboleth. If someone thinks murder is cool, or that murder is cool as long as you're murdering the right people, I have no room in my life for them, and I don't believe a sane and civilized world should have any place for their "diverse thought".

Interesting to see it described that way.  Whenever I've seen "diversity of thought" it was coming from the good guys.  For example, it is used to criticize academia and other institutions when they push "diversity" so hard, diversity of race, ethnicity, sexual preference, etc. etc. but they're happy to discriminate against people who don't have left-leaning thinking.

Execution for crimes against humanity? 

Mon Feb 12 2024 20:14:39 EST from nonservator

Killing someone may or may not be appropriate, lawful, etc. Murder is always wrong.

Killing someone may or may not be appropriate, lawful, etc. Murder is always wrong.

Also quite tired of the whole "diversity of thought" shibboleth. If someone thinks murder is cool, or that murder is cool as long as you're murdering the right people, I have no room in my life for them, and I don't believe a sane and civilized world should have any place for their "diverse thought".

Ah, yes. i do remember that.  But not in the context of attacking people so never put the 2 together.  Agreed, that is too bad.

Chaos Computer Club IIRC. So-called "anarchists" who like most of their ilk simply want to be The Man.

CCC?

I do my share of browsing, but not a lot of searching...

Tue Jan 23 2024 11:53:05 EST from darknetuser

I will not say I was using it *much* (because I don't really do much web browsing) but I used it every now and then.

For the moment I am playing with aara and 4get.

I hit it once or twice. had not become a habit yet so id keep forgetting .  

Tue Jan 23 2024 09:57:48 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Were you guys actually using search.citadel.org?

Wed Jan 17 2024 04:14:28 EST from darknetuser

The best search page is search.citadel.org

Which is gone.

Grr.   Its long past time to start taking action against scumbags like this:

"The Center for Countering Digital Hate is a British non-profit organisation with offices in London and Washington, DC. It campaigns for big tech firms to stop providing services to individuals who may promote hate and misinformation, including neo-Nazis and anti-vaccine advocates, and campaigns to restrict media organisations such as The Daily Wire from advertising. CCDH is a member of the Stop Hate For Profit coalition."

Any opinions about 'start page' search engine?

Since Duck isn't 100% reliable now. 

F- the EU

"The European Union’s (EU) regulatory agenda will largely hit U.S. technology companies and will impact Americans’ speech and lifestyle by stifling innovation, experts told the Daily Caller News Foundation.

The EU laws consist of content moderation regulation, antitrust enforcement, and artificial intelligence (AI) model rules, all carrying massive financial penalties for violation. The laws apply to platforms that have large user bases in the EU, which are mainly American companies, with the EU recently launching a formal investigation into billionaire Elon Musk’s X and bipartisan lawmakers pushing President Joe Biden to ensure the regulation does not harm U.S. firms unfairly, according to Reuters."

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/12/25/once-again-europeans-are-trying-to-tell-americans-what-they-can-say-and-do-1422556/

They were not there due to me tho, so my presence didnt really change the meter in any significant amount.

Fri Dec 08 2023 09:55:46 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

So who won?

They did. You increased the value of Facebook to your family members by being there for them.

While interacting with you, they consumed the ads and the propaganda.

I block all their stuff crap. They dont get ad revenue from me. But i do get to keep in touch with family.  

So who won?

Thu Dec 07 2023 11:51:57 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

And speaking of free speech online. I'm really pissed off at FB today
as they keep cutting my posts off. im considering again of putting

You lost that battle the moment you logged in to fecesbook.

The time the FBI should have been disbanded and its former HQ firebombed was immediately after Ruby Ridge.

Sat Dec 02 2023 14:07:12 EST from zelgomer

End the FBI. The US was founded on the principal of individual freedom at the expense of sense of safety. The moment a law enforcement body starts raiding homes at gunpoint, it's past time to dismantle it.

could fall under politics too, but here it is.

A story i have been hearing about for a couple of days but this is the first 'report' that was usable.  Welcome to the full throttle beginnings of a authoritarian government. Of course once the transition is complete, just come and shoot you.. forget hauling your ass to prison as an example to others to conform. No examples needed afterwards. Conform or die.

"FBI Drags Traditional Catholic Family Out of Home at Gunpoint Over Memes"  -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ-iNp2duoo

I think apple started doing this a couple of years ago, if i remember right. It surprised a lot of people ( not me ) that they had full access to your images..  Google at one point was scanning for 'pirated material' of some sort.  And removing it when found. So people should know this by now.

But while i do agree with you, i dont think that would fix being joe-jobbed. Its not hard to set people up to get looked at. 

Thu Nov 30 2023 12:30:47 EST from darknetuser

For the record, I am hearing from concerned sources that Discord, Dropbox and One Drive are actively scanning files for child pr0n - or at least that is what they say. Apparently one way of having somebody fucked up is sending them an image that the AI will consider child pr0n even when it is NOT child pr0n. Apparently some images that match this criteria do exist and are known and getting caught with one will cause an investigation to be opened against you.

Nobody should be using services which are not end-to-end encrypted or operated by a tiny trusted community.

I think its more than that, they went to burn it ALL down. "theirs" is just a stepping stone along the way, but its on the chopping block too once its no longer needed.

Thu Nov 30 2023 12:27:25 EST from darknetuser

This comes to show the retard crowd will never have enough and they will destroy their own strongholds, ruled by their own people, if they find the tiniest of excuses.

So ICANN wants to kill all privacy for domain names it seems. "One of your users said a bad thing.. we can find you"

https://torrentfreak.com/icann-simplifies-requests-for-hidden-domain-name-registration-data-231130/

at this point im on so many lists its a wash.

Wed Nov 29 2023 21:30:05 EST from zelgomer

And now you know why I've decided to abstain from all online social media unless I can interact through some anonymizing means.

might be under politics too, if so, sorry.

Didn't go out looking for his sources, but hes always been solid. 

The piece i'm bring up here: DOJ demanded every single person on twitter that interacted with Trumps account at all. Even a simple like.. Every. Single One.  I guess twitter refused at first ( so ill give them a point ) then was fined 350k. and court demanded it, so they complied ..    And while i realize twitter is not free speech and is a private company, government swooping in and getting involved like this violates free speech.

~1:20 into it    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCU8GfNm0Lg

So Ireland is going to outlaw even the possession of 'hate speech'.   So if you have an old book, you get to go to jail and have your book burned. I wonder if you just 'think hate speech' do they plan to erase your brain?   I can see 'hate speech' being the official excuse to destroy our history. Tho that process has already started, with statues and things, it will accelerate to actual written records and knowledge.         

Man, this world sucks. I really didnt want to be around to witness the collapse.  

Oh yea, no right to record in that case.

Sun Nov 26 2023 13:08:36 EST from Nurb432

Yes. but that isn't the case this was an enclosed private building, and posted no photographs. Dude walking round IN the building filming.. . Of course  outside 'bleed over' is allowed, as long as its not abused. 

Yes. but that isn't the case this was an enclosed private building, and posted no photographs. Dude walking round IN the building filming.. . Of course  outside 'bleed over' is allowed, as long as its not abused. 

Sun Nov 26 2023 12:44:25 EST from LadySerenaKitty

You do have a right to record what can be seen from off-property, that is, what is visible to someone standing on the property line.  That is the limit of recording rights when it comes to private property.  Free speech rights may have been violated, or maybe not.  I don't have details necessary to make that determination.

Sat Nov 25 2023 20:00:58 EST from Nurb432

Guy gets arrested for recording video on private property.  Media is screaming 'free speech rights violated'. No, you dont have that on private property. Really most of your rights vanish on private property. I'm sure they will next say 'it had public access' .. so? that is meaningless too.

While may have been doing it for a good cause, ( wont get into subject, not the point ) he wont win in court. He violated law ( trespassing for one, since its posted no recording, perhaps more )

 

You do have a right to record what can be seen from off-property, that is, what is visible to someone standing on the property line.  That is the limit of recording rights when it comes to private property.  Free speech rights may have been violated, or maybe not.  I don't have details necessary to make that determination.

Sat Nov 25 2023 20:00:58 EST from Nurb432

Guy gets arrested for recording video on private property.  Media is screaming 'free speech rights violated'. No, you dont have that on private property. Really most of your rights vanish on private property. I'm sure they will next say 'it had public access' .. so? that is meaningless too.

While may have been doing it for a good cause, ( wont get into subject, not the point ) he wont win in court. He violated law ( trespassing for one, since its posted no recording, perhaps more )

Guy gets arrested for recording video on private property.  Media is screaming 'free speech rights violated'. No, you dont have that on private property. Really most of your rights vanish on private property. I'm sure they will next say 'it had public access' .. so? that is meaningless too.

While may have been doing it for a good cause, ( wont get into subject, not the point ) he wont win in court. He violated law ( trespassing for one, since its posted no recording, perhaps more )

"In a speech delivered by New York Governor Kathy Hochul on Monday, she revealed that the state is "collecting data" from social media "surveillance efforts" in order to combat "hate speech."

"We’re very focused on the data we’re collecting from surveillance efforts, what’s being said on social media platforms, and we have launched an effort to be able to counter some of the negativity and reach out to people when we see hate speech being spoken about on online platforms," said Hochul."

Come visit me B* and you will see what a no trespassing suit looks like, as i call my local PD to escort you off my property.

Lol i have never heard of that. But that there is funny

Tho i do agree in principle ( no surprise there :) )  a couple of random comments. 

Yes, centralized DNS is the biggest risk to the internet as we know it and i think one of the main flaws. Not that the founders could have ever foreseen what is now happening, but it was a flaw.  I see it all the time in the IP Rights world. Whack-a-mole only works so long, and each time you switch, you tend to leave people behind.  And sure there are a couple of distributed alternatives to bypass the entire thing, but they are not really quite ready for prime time, and so few know how to do that anyway, so DNS blocks are effective enough to get most. So in the end, 'they' win.

Along the same lines, hosting overseas works now, but if governments start blocking hosting services, or even entire countries.. Then you are back to having to run TOR/i2P/Freenet/etc.   Then might as well run it at home since your audience just vanished as so few people know about this stuff, and getting 'the truth out' to the masses becomes impossible, and they win again.  And of course as content is blocked, fewer people 'out of the loop' will get to learn about alternatives as that will be forbidden knowledge. Even if their whitewash only gets 95% of the world, they win. They know they cant stop it all, but if they can brainwash the majority, we lose.

As far as twitter, musk just announced hes blocking pro-Palestine accounts ..  So much for free speech there. Sure i disagree with those people and they should rot 6 feet under ( or be used for animal feed, as i often say ), but as long as they are not organizing violence, or actively engaging, they get to wave their dumbass flag and speak too, and spout stupidity.   Now, that said, i'm slowly starting to get to the point of not wanting to take the high road anymore, or be fair. Getting sick of these people, and starting to want to dish out what they give, which includes censorship, and violence. ( never thought i'd say that.. but its their fault ).

And speaking of free speech online. I'm really pissed off at FB today as they keep cutting my posts off. im considering again of putting out a small twitter like clone ( simple blog + login ).   Not that i'm against putting anther full citadel out of course, even its back to invite-only, but have to be honest, if its not brain dead easy to use for the non-techie and since there is no 'magic phone app', most people i know wont bother. ( that was the first question of some, 'what is the app called'  ) its unfortunate, but its just the reality of today's 'average user'.  Attention span of a flea and skills not much better.  (  last time i tried this and told everyone..  i had only a handful of takers from my group of fiends/family, and for most part it was too much for them, they needed it dumbed WAY down.. ). WE may love the thing, but they dont, which in my case is my main audience.. And of course as i consider this, i got DoSed again this morning due to script kiddies and got locked out of my nextc

Oh and not exactly related, but read today that they estimate nearly 75% of all internet traffic is attack attempts, DoS actions, or general fishing bots.. I remember when that would have been porn instead..

lol

Sat Nov 18 2023 13:31:45 EST from LadySerenaKitty

Xinnie the Jinpooh

Xinnie the Jinpooh

i guess FCC just voted to accept absolute control over the US internet.  One of many legislators speaking out, tho its too late:

"The Biden Administration’s entire approach to the Internet—its broadband agenda, if you will— can be boiled down to one word: control. You can see it with the Biden Administration’s call for Title II utility-style regulation of the Internet—a move that two of President Obama’s former Solicitors General described as an enormous and transformative expansion of the government’s authority over the Internet. You can see it in the Biden Administration’s campaign to pressure Internet companies into censoring Americans’ protected political speech—a coordinated effort that is now on appeal to the Supreme Court. And you can see it in the Biden Administration’s demand that the FCC adopt these “digital equity” rules today—a framework that gives the FCC a nearly limitless power to veto private sector decisions  "

Sort of scary when even Obama staff thinks its out of line.. 

Anonymous Free Speech for everykitty.

Anonymous Free Speech for nokitty.

These are mewtually exclusive.

Now she is "walking it back" according to sarcastic news:

"“But no, you can have anonymous — I don’t mind anonymous American people having free speech, what I don’t like is anonymous Russians and Chinese and Iranians having free speech,” Haley added.

“Americans have a right to free speech, including having anonymous accounts on social media. What Nikki doesn’t support is letting the Chinese and Iranians create anonymous accounts to spread chaos and anti-American filth among our people,” Haley’s campaign said in a statement."

Sorry but no, everyone should believe in free speech for everyone, regardless of where they come from. Even if what they say, we disagree with.  ( tho we have the right to ignore their stupid face too )

Wed Nov 15 2023 14:16:45 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Wow. Just wow.

Presidential hopeless Nikki "George Bush with a vagina" Haley has promised to "force every person on social media" to be "verified by their name".

As your tireless sysop for the past 35 years, I promise you that if such a thing ever happened, I would gleefully tell Ms. Bush to go fuck herself.

Since when do you have to be an 'open service' to exist on the web? Grrrr.

I guess i should have said i dont think DC will ever mandate it.

BUT they influence places like FB...  so it may happen via backdoor, of course it will be optional. Just avoid those places.

Ya.  I doubt it ever happens, but many in DC want this. ( and most politicos in the UK want, and of course china does it now ) They want to feed the data to the FBI, so when you say wrong things, you vanish. 

Wed Nov 15 2023 14:16:45 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Wow. Just wow.

Presidential hopeless Nikki "George Bush with a vagina" Haley has promised to "force every person on social media" to be "verified by their name".

As your tireless sysop for the past 35 years, I promise you that if such a thing ever happened, I would gleefully tell Ms. Bush to go fuck herself.

lol does not get more ironic than this. I would love to be able to peek into the future to see if all this cancel stuff really removes history, or if we snap out of it at some point and say enough is enough.

"Progressives are now trying to cancel author George Orwell, according to an article published Sunday."  -> https://dailycaller.com/2023/10/17/anna-funder-cancel-george-orwell-irony/

Oh.

Well sometimes you have to play with the pigs or people dont know you exist. Marketing.

Fri Oct 20 2023 13:25:59 EDT from nonservator

I didn't mean by defying the feds, I meant by not using Discord.

I didn't mean by defying the feds, I meant by not using Discord.

When the feds are after you, and you are not rich enough, its hard to fight forever. Feds have endless funds. Few others do.

Fri Oct 20 2023 11:57:24 EDT from nonservator

Or they could actually have the courage of their convictions and stand on principle instead of being crack-addicted furfags.

Or they could actually have the courage of their convictions and stand on principle instead of being crack-addicted furfags.

I know it sounds hypocritical, but you have to expand your reach into what others use..

Fri Oct 20 2023 10:13:47 EDT from nonservator

Totally decentralized! Uncensorable! Blockchain! Find us on Discord!

Totally decentralized! Uncensorable! Blockchain! Find us on Discord!

And yet anther falls. 

LBRY collapses under unfair suits, and Odysee will go with it.

https://odysee.com/@lbry:3f/theendoflbryinc:d

Ya. Of course they do. Really wish we could kick our Kalifornia, build a wall, and force them all to move there. ( and rescue those there now that deserve it, there are few ) They are not compatible with a free society. They are lost.   Perhaps NYC too.  ( was watching that last night.. been a while ) And reclaim DC.

Stunning numbers among Dems in RCOR's new poll on free speech and censorship:

• 47% of Dems say free speech should be legal 'only under certain circumstances'.
• 34% of Dems say Americans 'have too much freedom'
• 75% of Dems say government has a responsibility to censor 'hateful' social media posts
• Only 31% strongly agree with the statement, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it

#2 i think is the most scary of the results.

All joking aside about walls and such, i doubt the union survives much longer.  Between stuff like the above, and the invasion from the south and the planned destruction by DC. I dont see how it can.

Is anything really free? There is always a cost.

Sun Sep 24 2023 14:26:01 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

You know, now that I think about it, I kind of wish people didn't
start using the word "piracy" to refer to copyright/IP infringement;
since piracy in the older sense of the word (stealing boats and
ships) still exists.

And as you also know, I am a free speech absolutist. I run an online forum called Uncensored, maybe you've heard of it.

Wishing people didn't do something and saying they shouldn't be allowed to do it are two different things.

Oh i can see them waxing stuff on drive too, it is theirs.. you just rent space  ( either directly with cash, or indirectly, being the product... )

Sun Sep 24 2023 15:29:04 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

I keep a copy of "Plandemic" (and not much else) on my Google Drive as a canary.

Related: some 'ip rights protection racket' company is demanding Google to de-list 1000s of evil pirate apps ( nothing new there ) BUT they are demanding they remove them from peoples devices.

If they do i hope a law suit aeries .  Their house their rules, so they can have/remove whatever they want from *their* store ( free market gets to decide ), but they cant reach out and touch a person's personal property. 

I'm not even sure who coined it first, but i'm sure it was part of a planned FUD program.

Sat Sep 23 2023 07:20:04 EDT from Nurb432

( its not piracy, or even theft. its IP infringement.. but another day for that  )

You know, now that I think about it, I kind of wish people didn't start using the word "piracy" to refer to copyright/IP infringement; since piracy in the older sense of the word (stealing boats and ships) still exists.

Matthew Prince of Cloudflare made a big old deal about muh freeze peach when first confronted about providing DDOS protection to the Nazis known as KiwiFarms before promptly folding like a cheap suit. Fuck him and his entire gay company.

Not read it 100%, and wont get into the 'piracy' discussion ( its not piracy, or even theft. its IP infringement.. but another day for that  )  but it seems now that a court has decided that if you so much as search for a site, or visit it ( or have a popup do it ), that regardless of what you did there, its now illegal and you owe money. Or the assumption is every visit or even search infringes, which paves the way for that to happen..   Perhaps i'm tired and mis-interpreting this but either way this is dangerous.

“[T]he number of visits or accesses to each of the Infringing Websites and the identifying information relating to the Mangamura would be critical in the Lawsuit,” the publishers wrote, adding that Google and Cloudflare are the only parties that can provide access to it.

https://torrentfreak.com/google-cloudflare-must-share-traffic-stats-in-manga-piracy-case-230922/

Code of Conduct Kitty - CoCK

Right that is the easy answer, but more likely it will be required to be baked into their core product or they still violate the law, due to the risk of patches. ( and in the case of google, they have to pull chromium  )

And yes i could be getting worked up over nothing, but it would be yet one more step towards total censorship.

Sun Aug 27 2023 04:41:44 PM EDT from darknetuser

I bet they would make a censored browser for distribution in france and then people would just patch the censoring out.

false prophet mooporkmad

Fri Aug 25 2023 09:17:35 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Mozilla demonstrated that they are anti-free-speech the moment they fired Brendan Eich.

It isn't surprising that this is coming from France. There aren't a lot of French people left in France. Most of this comes from the type of people who think blasphemy laws are awesome because they worship the false prophet muhammad.

regardless of why/who/what/etc  its a very very dangerous precedent if it goes thru, and they attempt enforcement.

Says Mozilla, who happily agree with Cloudflare that some websites shouldn't be allowed.

Well, this is bad. Moving blocking sites from DNS level to the App level ( and the network stack once someone notices ) because they dont like what a site 'says'. 

And would shut down opensource projects. 

https://thenextweb.com/news/french-law-threatens-free-internet-warns-mozilla

Ya i wasn't going to get into the weeds with the case, but, Matt's free speech was squelched too.  Printed stuff on a piece of metal. Not cut. Speech. No different than a book..  But.... I heard they now want to ban 'gun plans' in general....  

The country is gone. 

According to a federal prosecutor or judge ( not sure which. i have to look more )  the 1st amendment only apply if you work for an approve traditional media outlet. 

They are putting a gag order on a guy 'hes just a YouTuber so should not be able to publish those things' for reporting on a case where the defending is being railroaded.  ( and not that it matters, hes not just a YouTuber, he also writes too..

At least some of it was in alt.folklore.computers but there was likely some crossposting spillover I missed.

its right there. Just go to ************************************** and you will see it.

The recent Usenet kerfuffle over Citadel's Code of Conduct was entertaining. "Muh Twumpists"

I have less faith in intentions than you do in this case. I do think this is what they want, on both sides, and this is 100% planned to pass. They can get it passed, under the guise of 'evil Chinese'.

Then in a year or 2 later when people realize what just happened, it would be too late ( like patriot act )

Wed Apr 12 2023 09:45:32 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Libtards want excessive moderation to a communist level because their
ideas cannot hold even a whisker to the ideas of the right.

True. However, the latest take on the RESTRICT Act that I heard was that it was designed to fail.

The idea is that the people who are owned by China want to keep using TikTok as a campaign platform, so they built a bunch of poison pills into the RESTRICT Act such as banning VPNs and giving the government (even more than usual) nazi levels of control over social media. That way when it inevitably gets shot down, they can say "we tried to rein in TikTok, but *those* people opposed it."

its the sign of the times. In general people are now whiny ass babies. "im offended.. whaaaaaaa ( as they cover their ears )"

Took several generations of programming to get here.. but here we are.

Tue Apr 11 2023 12:02:00 PM EDT from darknetuser

 muting people or servers they don't want to hear from.

Libtards want excessive moderation to a communist level because their ideas cannot hold even a whisker to the ideas of the right.

Thu Apr 06 2023 12:56:12 EDT from darknetuser

For those of you interested in federated social networks, Linux Magazine Pro #269 is a Fediverse thematic number.

I find it interesting to notice how much LM hates Twitter and predicts its total doom under Musk's management.

Too bad most of theee solutions look so bloated or half-cooked. They should watch and learn from Citadel.

By the way, is it just me, or is there an overhyped need for agressive moderation in social platforms as of late? I see so much emphasis in the need for good moderators in these and other platforms. In the good old days you walked into the Usenet, and your only defense against trolls were the hand that wielded your sword and the hand that wielded your shield, and it worked marveously.

Both. And a lot of dead / jailed citizens too i'm afraid.    Between this and the fed working on taking our money, and ATF taking our guns ( i guess the admin accidentally admitted the end goal is to remove guns from private ownership ), this cant end well.

I know every generation thinks 'this is it', but this time, it really is over. one way or another.

Thu Mar 30 2023 02:36:06 PM EDT from LadySerenaKitty

This is either going to lead to a fuckton of lawsuits against the government, or a fuckton of dead government agents.

 

This is either going to lead to a fuckton of lawsuits against the government, or a fuckton of dead government agents.

Thu Mar 30 2023 14:30:51 EDT from Nurb432

Or if you have anything that might circumvent the coming firewall, like a VPN or TOR. Or that Chinese sourced phone or streaming box you bought 3 years ago off amazon or at Walmart that communicates to a Chinese IP for updates.  Even tho its now blocked, the attempt is logged and they come collecting all your stuff, and you. 

Or if you have anything that might circumvent the coming firewall, like a VPN or TOR. Or that Chinese sourced phone or streaming box you bought 3 years ago off amazon or at Walmart that communicates to a Chinese IP for updates.  Even tho its now blocked, the attempt is logged and they come collecting all your stuff, and you. 

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/686/text?s=1&r=15

I don't like this.  It imposes West China-style "give us your data whenever we feel like" requirements on any business, service, or product that is used by a minimum of 1,000,000 (one million) Americans.

It also authorizes the federal government to come in to your house and take away devices containing software made by a company that fails to comply.  Oooooo, this can be abused so badly.

So, in trying to protect us against West China, our lawmakers have become West China.

ok, so the short version is NOT official government.  

i guess the long version is real. with the extra detains .. i donno. im lost now.

So just to show i was not being a typical wacko i went back in to cut out that part about past transgressions.. its gone. The entire document is different now. 

But now i see 2 versions. both from government sources. One still has it.

This version does have it, as well as the 20 year sentence. -> https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/686/text?fbclid=IwAR0qWCqaFigt7B6iBoKhc3NLelAqbOdBiBWEOKGxQmZjsoVD5h4Z07U9tbA

But the link i have above no longer has either. And is different in a lot of ways. but the same name so its the same 'thing'.. 

I'm confused.

If anything, its a reason TO do it ( for them ).  The entire thing is against several bits of the Constitution really.  Ok, perhaps not all of it if i want to be rational for a moment, but clearly a lot of it is.

Of course its not passed yet.  Things like holding the past against you might get stripped out from it due to fear of it being struck down, but who knows. DC is run by socialists now, anything is possible.

Wed Mar 29 2023 10:44:56 PM EDT from zelgomer

US Constitution specifically bars ex post facto law. Ah, who am I kidding, that's never stopped them before.

It does. It covers every.. single.. digital.. anything.. be it hardware, software, network, everything..... Even AI and "future quantum computing".. and any digital financial transactions, so it covers and in effect outlaws non-monitored crypto..

AND it covers past transgressions. So if you did it 10 years ago, in 10 more years when they decide x was a bad actor, you committed a crime. WTF.

Welcome to fascism..  Enjoy your stay.

i give up. 

Wed Mar 29 2023 04:44:11 PM EDT from Nurb432

People are suggesting this may ban VPN, Tor, I2P, and a whole host of other tings and leave the door open if you sneeze the wrong way on line, 20 years in prison.

People are suggesting this may ban VPN, Tor, I2P, and a whole host of other tings and leave the door open if you sneeze the wrong way on line, 20 years in prison.

Still reading this, but free speech takes another hit. under the guise of 'protecting us from the evil Chinese'

what a scam. And people believe it.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23697944-restrict-act-final-text

Public participation? Such as:  Stoning. 

Wed Mar 22 2023 05:18:27 PM EDT from LadySerenaKitty

Craziness!  Also, we should bring back public executions.

 

Craziness!  Also, we should bring back public executions.

Wed Mar 22 2023 17:06:53 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Right, I didn't mean that I thought you were actually someone I knew before.

You're just *really* on that wavelength.

I dont have enough spices to have to worry about it. :)

Wed Mar 22 2023 02:35:32 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

My spice rack is organized, but not alphabetically. 

We did have a destructive america hating radical Muslim sitting in the chair however.   Orchestrating the beginning of our collapse.  ( now, helping complete his project )

Tue Mar 21 2023 09:42:40 PM EDT from LadySerenaKitty

I don't care what some libtard site says, I'm still going to say there was an 8 year period between Bush and Trump when we didn't have a Purresident, just some random guy named Saddam Barack Hussein bin-Obama.  I like clean coffee.  Organized spice rack just makes things easier to find.  Peanut butter goes great with everything.

I'm not one of your buds from back home.  We could be frens, tho.  I'm just a crazy kitty from TEXAS with wild ideas.

Wed Mar 22 2023 14:35:32 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

The more you post the more I feel like you're one of my buddies from back home. I call him "Ba'raq Saddam Hussein Osama Obama."

My spice rack is organized, but not alphabetically. It has three tiers, which are different heights and so the same size bottles go on each one so they all fit nicely. The bottom tier also has a small bluetooth speaker which we use for dinner music, because we are both classy and nerdy at the same time.

Less frequently used herbs and spices go in the cupboard, where we have to dig for them and inevitably buy extras of ones we already have.

We should talk about the "stay away from people who hate you" trope since it's a big deal these days.

I don't care what some libtard site says, I'm still going to say there was an 8 year period between Bush and Trump when we didn't have a Purresident, just some random guy named Saddam Barack Hussein bin-Obama.  I like clean coffee.  Organized spice rack just makes things easier to find.  Peanut butter goes great with everything.

I dont remember which site, or if it really worked, but on launch it offered to create a 'web shortcut' in your launcher for you.  Would be pretty brain dead to do that for the user.

Right, i dont personally care about most of them as a platform, however i do care about the effects they have on society, which like it or not, we have to deal with the fallout.

Wed Dec 07 2022 10:26:52 AM EST from zelgomer

I don't give a shit about Twitter (or whatever Mastadon is), and neither should you, 

Didn't realize they could truly black list servers. i thought it was just a 'down vote' so to speak, so no one saw you in any official index, but you still existed. But, i guess that does not surprise me.

So 'federated', but only to a point.

Mastodon is the first Mastodon-compatible software in the twitter-like space.  It's cool because you can spin up your own Mastodon installation and have a commewnity.  The downside is your commewnity can be blacklisted by the Mastodon devs, which also blacklists your server from the entire Mastodon "fediverse".  What servers does this happen to?  The ones that don't toe the communist "demokrat" line.  So you can be in the federated Mastodon space, but only if you are a commie.

No, they have no idea what mastodon is. its just the new buzz word. " we can use that mastodon thing and attack maga!"

And i suspect we are going to see the general concept of federation collapse here soon and growth of a siloed world..  Just a feeling. 

I guess the only advantage to a 'store' is the captive and consistent payment system. 

I know there was rumor of his own phone line at one point in the recent past.  I saw some tester units waved around at one point.  Fat ugly things shaped like a Tesla truck.  I wonder if this is just an excuse for its official launch and to get people to buy it.   Nothing is ever as it seems.

If he really was truly upset over apple and google and wanted to come up with a line quickly and easily, i know of several Chinese companies that make phones  ( any market, from low end to flagship level ) that for a few extra bucks woudl brand them for you and produce tons of them.  Would be an instant phone line.

I bet even Samsung would, for the right price, they even have an alternative to Android..

Bla bla bla 'apple is going to ban our app" bla bla whine whine whine "gonna make my own phone!" whine whine whine bla bla bla

So you make a responsive web page and dont need an app.. runs anywhere on anything..   Its 2022. its not that hard..  Native apps are a form of lock-in unto themselves.  

Oh, i know there are trade-offs you have to make for 'net safety'. 

Darn, wish we could edit :)   

Include FreeNet in that. 

Tor/I2P is still an option for hosting stuff on-shore.  Unless you screw up its hard to find you.

I suppose you'll just have to host them offshore, as many are doing now for various types of things.

I've heard that Singapore is the new hotness when it comes to staying under the radar, because it is on the boundary between the US commies and Chinese commies, piously claims fealty to both, and tends to be left alone by both.

It would be nice if it went down like that once and it turned into a massacre for them. But usually ONE cop gets a flesh wound and the entire family who is the subject of the no-knock warrant ends up leaving in body bags. 

Tue Jul 27 2021 16:57:20 EDT from Nurb432

If im home. They wont laugh. 

 

Would i lose? Sure, but i wont go down without a fight.   Someone enters my house, i'm not going to ask for ID first. 

If im home. They wont laugh. 

Would i lose? Sure, but i wont go down without a fight.   Someone enters my house, i'm not going to ask for ID first. 

Also, in this case, exercising your rights by getting around their suppression of information can get your door kicked in by the FBI and a local team of goons in riot gear. 

Best case scenario, they shoot your dog and laugh about it. 

Sun Jul 25 2021 16:22:21 EDT from Nurb432

We shouldn't have to 'get around' exercising our rights. 

 

 

We shouldn't have to 'get around' exercising our rights. 

Registration and Geolocking the original source would get "around" the rules for now. ( what happens afterwards, 'isn't my fault' )  But this is just a foot in the door.

Oh, sorry, I was attempting to make the observation that categories of "files" have already been made illegal.  the implication being that it would be a matter of time for firearm related files.  but that doesn't really matter since they're really after your disobedient mind.  they have other ways to make you heel and die.  you know, go get a jab.

the files were declared to be free speech.  They were not illegal.  But them getting classified export rules, means they can change rules and violate the Constitution at will.  

your brain and fingers might make a bad thing, you need a restriction for that.  files have been illegal for a long time, the new encroachment are machine tools, next will be the hands that want to hold the tools.

they're afraid of your thoughts and want you to ultimately die.

And, if you read between the lines, if you own a 3D printer or CNC mill, or similar, you may have to register it too. Because you 'could' make bad things with it.  Wonder when you have to show ID to buy pipe from the local hardware store.

Stalin and Hitler would be proud. 

So you need a license to exercise in free speech, in effect.

https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/u-s-bureau-of-industry-and-security-imposes-ear-restrictions-on-3d-printed-guns-193254/

I swear I responded to this earlier. 

Fri Jul 09 2021 15:29:59 EDT from LoanShark

How All My Politically Correct Bones Were Broken

"I began encountering students who felt that receipt of a poor grade was simply evidence of my racism."

https://quillette.com/2021/07/07/how-all-my-politically-correct-bones-were-broken/

Wikiwiki. 

You'll have a built in theme song. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyBzYMZK17o

Lots of stupid frivolous lawsuits out there that they cant win in court.

They just gamble they can holdout longer than you, and have more cash to burn.  They have attorneys on staff they are paying regardless if they work or not, might as well give them something to do. ( is their thinking anyway ). most of the time the people in the 'right' eventually run out of money, give up and go away. Or pay a fee to make them stop.

Sickening, but its the reality of how they abuse the system.

Mon Jul 05 2021 12:40:30 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: "meta" wiki

One would think that the Wikipedophiles would pursue legal action against this, but as far as I can tell, it's completely allowed.

Meta collection services are good.

Over the years I've considered a project that I never got around to implementing.  I'd be interested in hearing what this crowd thinks of it, whether it's a good idea or a bad idea, and/or whether you know of anyone else already doing this.

The idea is to build a meta-wiki that is a front end to all the wikipedia competitors, and to wikipedia itself.   In a way it would act as a search engine, but it would have the user interface of a wiki.  The user would configure it with a list of sites they want to use, and the order in which they should be prioritized.  An example user story -- let's say I'm a patriot and my normal research workflow is to check for a topic on Conservapedia, then RationalWiki, then Wikipedia as a last resort.  I'd configure the site to prioritize them in that order, and then when I go to the main page and put in a topic, it would search them in that order.

Naturally, whichever site has the page earliest in the search order will be the one displayed, but at the top it would say "This page is also available on..." with a drop-down of the remaining ones.

They could be configured in whatever order you want, of course; so another user story might be someone who prefers humor over serious research.  That user might prioritize Encyclopedia Dramatica over the other sites.

The working name I thought of was going to be "Metapedia", but it turns out that name is already used by a site that Wikipedia describes as "fascist, far-right, white nationalist, white supremacist, anti-feminist, homophobic, Islamophobic, antisemitic, Holocaust-denying, and neo-Nazi" -- which is what they call anyone who does not bow to the cancel mob.  So we'd have to come up with another name, something that implies that it is a "wiki of wikis".

And of course the landing page would have a section "Who runs this?" which would say "...the same people who brought you UNCENSORED!, the free speech forums that have fought against censorship since 1988."

In the words of MST3K ... "What do you think, sirs?"

lol

figured it would have got the 'against community standards' instead. 

2099267495@Uncensored

I looked at that when it first started, something i didnt like about it.  I cant remember now.  Something concerned me about the protocol or something.   

Of course the miserable mincing faggots of File 770 are clutching their pearls and harrumphing to beat the band. "Saddened but not surprised..."  "Disgusted but not surprised..."

https://archive.is/IH4yJ

All of these useless cunts can choke on a barrel of cocks, and die in a fire.

That is awesome. But the SJW mob being able to shut down the forums and force such a cautious, careful and complete inventory of the contents of those forums is troubling. 

The SJW Left understands that they don't have to shut you down for a legitimate reason - they just have to tie you up so you can't be an effective voice against their own droning babble. 

In a sense, sanity is fighting with one hand tied behind its back in this regard. 

I started noticing this a few years back when demanding "source citations" on the Internet became a huge thing. They didn't want the source citation. They knew by the time you were done researching the obscure point you had just made using Google, you would show back up and the conversation would have moved on, making your citation moot and irrelevant. 

Not to mention they could go, "The best you could do is a citation from BLABLABLA news? They're not credible!" 

It is part of the intellectual dishonesty and so

Mon Apr 12 2021 09:06:14 EDT from darknetuser

2021-03-03 09:29 from darknetuser

2021-03-01 20:06 from Nurb432
Defending speech you dont like is the most important kind.

Mon Mar 01 2021 06:49:50 EST from darknetuser



I never imagined I would be ever defending this people, but I hope

Baen takes advantage of all the free advertising they are getting

and

start selling books like hot cakes.

It is not that I dislike the speech they may have or not as much as

the fact I hve some personal grudges with Baen employees.

I have good news.

Baen's Forums are back with a vengenance.

The chief editor has reopened the forum stating that, after doing research, they have found no activity in the forum that could be considered illegal. She has also stated, in elegant terms, that the SJW crowd can fuck off.

Mon Mar 15 2021 04:43:53 PM EDT from LoanShark

It's all Ohio anyway. [1]

Escape from Ohio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7SuBBpLX-A

God... having lived near Youngstown - that is a depressing thought. 

Mon Mar 15 2021 16:43:53 EDT from LoanShark

But yeah, bring on the end of the world. Or as I like to say it,
"Get me off this rock."

It's all Ohio anyway. [1]

[1]: https://twitter.com/texfischer

I've been to Chicago and NYC a number of times - had real Chicago Dogs, real Chicago Deep Dish, real NY style "By the Slice." 

Interesting fact - so many NYC and Chicago transplants in Phoenix - we have almost all of your "favorite" restaurants here, already. 

Sacramento is also famous for a Chicago Deep Dish place called Zelda's that is the real deal.

Regional favorites are almost always a real emotional thing, that has more to do with being from the place than how "best" the item is or isn't - in my experience. 

Cincinnati Chili and Spaghetti are an example... so are "hoagies" 

These days, you can get Vienna Beef dogs anywhere now, and the peppers, celery salt, tomatoes... it isn't hard to recreate. When I had my first one in Ohio, I wasn't impressed, and people swore, "you have to have one in Chicago." 


I've had one in a little hole in the wall shack on the loop - had several, actually. I honestly prefer a Weinerschnitzle Chil

Fri Mar 12 2021 09:14:43 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

If you haven't been to New York then you don't know what a good pizza tastes like.

But yeah, bring on the end of the world. Or as I like to say it, "Get me off this rock."

Being born in Chicago, and Midwest living since the late 70s, i'm partial to Chicago deep dish. 

its a regular meal in  this house, but i'm over due on making one until i get the fridge fixed as place to store the leftovers, other than the freezer. Freezing pizza, is only a last resort. 

Fri Mar 12 2021 09:14:43 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

If you haven't been to New York then you don't know what a good pizza tastes like.

But yeah, bring on the end of the world. Or as I like to say it, "Get me off this rock."

So, I like you guys - but I'm so hostile towards humanity in general lately - that every time I give social media a shot - someone or something pisses me off so bad that I go, "just let Yellowstone erupt... and erupt GOOD..." 

So bad that Arizona is covered in 20 feet of ash 2 days later. 

This planet needs an enema. 

I think it is an 80/20 rule. 20% of the worlds population is carrying the other 80%. 

I used to think it was just the workplace - but I think this is a universal sacred math. Kind of like how dark-matter makes up the majority of the mass in the universe. The empty and void is 80% of the universe. 

I guess that means it must be important in its uselessness from the perspective of a taoist. It gives the meaningful definition. It takes a lot of useless to make the useful appreciated - kind of like how you have to eat a freezerburned Chuck E Cheese or Costco pizza every now and then to truly appreciate a good pie. 

Mon Mar 08 2021 13:37:39 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Douglas Adams once wrote about an entire useless third of the world's population being rounded up and shipped off to some other planet. He envisioned it being people like telephone sanitizers, but I think we all know now that it would be the SJW mob and the entire chattering class.

Defending speech you dont like is the most important kind.

Mon Mar 01 2021 06:49:50 EST from darknetuser

I never imagined I would be ever defending this people, but I hope Baen takes advantage of all the free advertising they are getting and start selling books like hot cakes.

Best response yet from Larry Correia:

https://monsterhunternation.com/2021/02/19/an-open-letter-to-the-old-time-fans-at-worldcon/

I know my attitudes clanged soon after i left home..  Not all of them, some i only realized i was using the wrong label all along trying to 'fit in'.  But some did. 

Mon Feb 22 2021 12:58:14 EST from ParanoidDelusions

That is the most fscking annoying part of Millennials. So many of them love to lecture and explain - and in so many cases it is all *theory* with little or no real-world experience or application. 

They're very book-read on their philosophies and theories. They're well researched in Wikipedia articles on how they believe things should work. 

But they're sorely lacking in actual experience. 

 

Sat Feb 20 2021 10:55:18 EST from Nurb432

I think that is a key, regardless of who is forcing their belief structure onto you.

Wed Feb 17 2021 20:07:29 EST from ParanoidDelusions

 who are not very worldly 

 

 

That is the most fscking annoying part of Millennials. So many of them love to lecture and explain - and in so many cases it is all *theory* with little or no real-world experience or application. 

They're very book-read on their philosophies and theories. They're well researched in Wikipedia articles on how they believe things should work. 

But they're sorely lacking in actual experience. 

Sat Feb 20 2021 10:55:18 EST from Nurb432

I think that is a key, regardless of who is forcing their belief structure onto you.

Wed Feb 17 2021 20:07:29 EST from ParanoidDelusions

 who are not very worldly 

 

I think that is a key, regardless of who is forcing their belief structure onto you.

Wed Feb 17 2021 20:07:29 EST from ParanoidDelusions

 who are not very worldly 

It is hard to make this shit up. In my Spanish class, one year, the instructor would not let me go by "Donovan," because this is not a Latin name. 

I took "David"... "dah-veed" - because this is a Latino name. 

So as usual, it is mostly WHITE people who are not very worldly being outraged by thinking they own a thing, in this case, the name "David," which they don't - exposing their own weird sense of supremacy. 

David also, is obviously not a name with origins among White Europeans, but among the Jews. 

*shrug*

What morons. 

Tue Feb 16 2021 16:00:14 EST from darknetuser

The people at Baen has suspended the forum temporarily and replaced it with a notice:

https://www.baen.com/bb021621

"[...]it has come to our attention that allegations about the Bar have been made elsewhere. We take these allegations seriously, and consequently have put the Bar on hiatus while we investigate. But we will not commit censorship of lawful speech."

Maybe I am paranoid, but it sounds to me like they want to contain the SJW horde while avoiding losing their fans (which are mostly conservatives as far as I have heard).

I don't think you can really do both. SJWs are actively _forcing_ people to pick a side. If you don't declare yourself a SJW you are an enemy of theirs.

All part of the plan. 

Mon Aug 03 2020 15:08:10 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

*snip*
The problem with going after people this way is that *everyone* could eventually be impacted, because sooner or later someone's going to come along who doesn't like who *you* gave your money to. 

So I tried Dissenter, I am using it now.  It knew my history from Chrome, and all my passwords. It knew all the profiles.

Fri Jul 31 2020 07:31:16 PM EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

 

Fri Jul 31 2020 06:34:04 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Speaking of the free world ... I know, I'm probably the last Free Speecher in the world to discover Brave, 

Second to last.

3rd

As a rule of thumb, I am always the last to know

'Bella's 1st rule of Information states:

Truck drivers almost always find out last. 

Fri Jul 31 2020 06:34:04 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Speaking of the free world ... I know, I'm probably the last Free Speecher in the world to discover Brave, 

Second to last.

I feel like a business account hosted locally would probably be too expensive for how casual and informal my goals are with running this BBS. 
But a colo that would just take the Pi and give me remote access to it might be a nice alternative. Of course, I'll still probably face the hurdle of, "WHAT is the domain name you want to host?!?"

Google flags the site as well.

Your connection is not private
Attackers might be trying to steal your information from tsbbs.spdns.org (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). Learn more
NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID
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This server could not prove that it is tsbbs.spdns.org; its security certificate is not trusted by your computer's operating system. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or an attacker intercepting your connection.

Proceed to tsbbs.spdns.org (unsafe)

Ok. So I've been absent for a while, and things went to hell in a handbasket. I also hadn't been paying attention to my Citadel at secure.wallofhate.com, but I'm trying to jump start it again. But here is the story of how I kind of abandoned it for a while. 

It started with Facebook banning me from sharing the URL. When I would post anything with a hotlink to secure.wallofhate.com - Facebook would flag it as a "hate site," and was also flagging my DDNS provider's link (the redirector link links to https://tsbbs.spdns.org:4916/  that link would ALSO flag as a hate site. 

So... part of the problem is I'm hosting on my home ISP, and I am not a Linux guru. Dynamic DNS doesn't seem to be reliably updating when a DHCP lease renews - and if I'm not checking in every day, the BBS will be down until I go do spdns.org and manually update with the new IP address - and, it is a residential account - so technically, there may be some ToS issues goin ]]>https://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Free%20Speech?start_reading_at=4568075Sat, 04 Jul 2020 20:14:19 -00004568075@Uncensored

"Free speech" is a red herring, and always was.

Best suggestion I've seen: Rather than use anyone else's platform, including the swastika panty-LARPers at Gab, Trump should set up his own Mastodon server and crosspost everything to Twitter until they ban him. Bonus points for every soyboy in Silicon Valley racing to hardcode more censorship ("FREE ASSOCIATION!") into their software.

Most days, all you can do is lol.

Santa Claus is coming to town

Santa Claus is coming to town

Santa Claus is coming to town

Repeating things doesn't make them more true

Repeating things doesn't make them more true

Repeating things doesn't make them more true

Yes I was comparing it to Q-tips and Kleenex.  The doctor's office didn't seem to have a clue, one nurse said "Telemed" and I asked if it was a phone call or video.  I searched Telemed and it left me more confused.  The email said "Zoom meeting"

The odd thing is this doctor and another video visit doctor were at home.  The office asked me if I wanted to come into the office or do the video chat.  If I said come into the office they would have set me up with a video char with the doctor because the doctor was at home.

Looking at the abysmal state of video chat is like a microcosm of the whole "Desktop Linux" nightmare/pipe dream. Either sign yourself over body and soul to the social justice commissars of Silicon Valley -- with a little Chinese boot on your neck for a dash of extra flavor -- or suffer with software that requires advanced degrees in weaponized hyperautism just to get it up and running. Usually more like limping -- my God, the lag of Electron apps makes OS/2 on 1Mb of RAM feel like farting through silk in comparison. And forget about chatting with anyone other than fellow autists.

Apparently "Zoom meeting" is now the term for any video chat.  The nurse for my doctors office emailed me "zoom meeting" information but it wasn't a zoom meeting.

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Go ahead, create your own website. Start getting popular with free information
sharing and zero censorship? Oh no! All of a sudden you can't process donations
by credit card because financial institutions and payment processors have
banned you.

What's that? You got enough money together where you can just buy your own
servers and handle all that traffic? Oh no! All of a sudden you can't get
non-credit card donations. Paypal, Patreon and all the rest have banned you,
because hate speech or some bullshit.

What's that? You were able to get the money together independently to keep your
website online and run your own private servers? Oh no! Your ISP banned you
from their hosting platform and on top of that, your domain name was seized by
the registrars.

What's that? You created your own website on your own servers running on a
network outside the US? Oh no! Now all the major search engines have removed
you from their search results.

What's that? You have a big enough following who privately donate to you so
that you can keep your website going on a server outside the US? Oh no! You've
been named in a lawsuit by the ADL and SPLC. They want you to provide all the
information about your donors, who goes to your website, and so forth. They
promised they weren't going to use that info to dox people, even though they
have no legal reason to want it. But now you have to go to court to fight and
keep your user information private.

What's that? You won the lawsuit and were able to keep all your information
private? Oh no! Now some DA with direct connections to the ADL and SPLC are
charging you with conspiracy and saying that you are an accomplice to hate
crimes that have not even been proven to have even taken place. And they are
going to get a warrant to get access to your servers and everything else, but
they totally promise that they aren't going to make that public. And now you
have to go back to court again to fight this and to get an injunction to even
give up that information before the cops can come steal it. Good luck with
that! I'm totally certain that they aren't going to leak that information.

But yeah other than that you are totally free to start up your own website

If the room wasn't networked it would have auto-deleted by now.  It might be argued that consumers actually won the DRM war, at least when it comes to recorded music.  Most of the big stores are now DRM-free, and all of them sell individual tracks in addition to entire albums.

Other areas, maybe not so much.  The MPAA are still at large.  It seems to be a smaller issue though because most people don't want to carry around a thousand movies and move them from device to device.  And although I personally don't believe in copyright, it doesn't bother me a whole lot to pay $3 or $4 to Google or Verizon to rent a movie.

Hello!  This room needs a good post after three years.