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[#] Sat Apr 13 2024 14:22:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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That is too bad. I could see a value in being able to get to clearnet
servers via the darknet server.

That is the perogative of the server operators. If their desire is to protect the anonymity of the users, rather than to protect the anonymity of the server operator, then it makes perfect sense to operate on both the clearnet and the darknet.

Example 1: UNCENSORED! is reachable on both I2P [http://uncensored.i2p] and clearnet [https://uncensored.citadel.org]

Example 2: Fecesbook is reachable on both Tor [facebookcorewwwi.onion] and clearnet.

Very different examples, right? Facebook can only be used for evil, but Uncensored is always used for good. It's a tool, and a tool is only as good as the craftsman who is using it.

[#] Mon Apr 15 2024 12:13:48 EDT from Nurb432

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So they actually make an electric firetruck. No thanks. "hang on, we are still charging from our last run, good luck on your house fire"

 

https://e-one.com/vector/



[#] Mon Apr 15 2024 15:06:41 EDT from darknetuser

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What you do is you find a free shell service that you can reach with

Tor and use that to connect and register and setup your SASL key.



Free shells which allow connection to IRC servers usually need some deanonymizing information from you, using phone number verification or stuff like that.

[#] Mon Apr 15 2024 15:16:51 EDT from darknetuser

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2024-04-12 19:27 from Nurb432
I wonder when all this stuff is outlawed.  

I know stopping it is harder, but they can shut down any mention of

it on the clear net and prevent 'the masses' from ever knowing about

it.  And if you get caught using any of it its considered instant

guilt. Wont matter what you are using it for, just having it
installed would be enough. so easy to prosecute. 


They are not outlawing it even in the worst countries on Earth. Usually they just try to block it.

Nowadays a Tor connection can be disguised as something else no ISP would want to block (say, a connection to a popular website behind Cloudflare) so censorship is only working well enough in countries that would rather break their Internet at a national level than let you browse a banned website - and there are some.

The biggest threat against the usefulness in Tor these days is censorship in the clearnet network Tor exit nodes operate at. A recent complaint from Tor operators is that people in shit countries take the trouble to jump into Tor in order to browse some anti-government website from an European exit node and the European network is banning the website itself. Imagine a Russian disident tries to reach an anti-Putin site, but the EU has the site banned because it is Russian. You get the idea.

[#] Mon Apr 15 2024 16:29:40 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I was asked to remove Brave from my work computer simply because it *has* a Tor client built in, even though I wasn't using it......[3 Sometimes the corporate brass can be more oppressive than your local government.

What about StarLink? Is that going to get banned in oppressive regimes?
We already know how much the authoritarians hate Elon.

[#] Mon Apr 15 2024 16:53:00 EDT from Nurb432

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Not yet. I expect it to as govermnts keep cracking down on freedom.

And ya, it can be gotten around by 'insiders' but once you cant even talk about it, 'outsiders' wont even know it exists.

Mon Apr 15 2024 15:16:51 EDT from darknetuser
They are not outlawing it even in the worst countries on Earth. Usually they just try to block it.

Nowadays a Tor connection can be disguised as something else no ISP would want to block (say, a connection to a popular website behind Cloudflare) so censorship is only working well enough in countries that would rather break their Internet at a national level than let you browse a banned website - and there are some.

The biggest threat against the usefulness in Tor these days is censorship in the clearnet network Tor exit nodes operate at. A recent complaint from Tor operators is that people in shit countries take the trouble to jump into Tor in order to browse some anti-government website from an European exit node and the European network is banning the website itself. Imagine a Russian disident tries to reach an anti-Putin site, but the EU has the site banned because it is Russian. You get the idea.

 



[#] Mon Apr 15 2024 16:57:45 EDT from Nurb432

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At some point, they may just destroy his birds if he does not comply.

Mon Apr 15 2024 16:29:40 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
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What about StarLink? Is that going to get banned in oppressive regimes?

 



[#] Tue Apr 16 2024 13:46:36 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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And ya, it can be gotten around by 'insiders' but once you cant even
talk about it, 'outsiders' wont even know it exists.

Ah, isn't that always the case? But as they say, information wants to be free. And it is our eternal struggle to make it that way.

[#] Fri Apr 19 2024 18:49:06 EDT from Nurb432

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"man sets himself on fire at trump hearing"

Darwin at work. Lets hope he didnt reproduce first.



[#] Sun Apr 21 2024 07:41:36 EDT from nonservator

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Another useful idiot recruited from their infinite army.



[#] Sun Apr 21 2024 08:05:28 EDT from Nurb432

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Just think of all the evil CO2 he released.. 

 

lol.



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