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A small tribute

There is a semi-popular cliche that mentions something about some people walking into our lives and then walking right back out, while others leave lasting footprints. Traditions come and go (with the exception of some traditions in my family which nobody wants to bother with anymore but my mother insists on dragging out year after year, but I digress...), but one of our group's more memorable traditions was the weekly "user meetings" held at the North Castle Diner from 1993 through 1997.

In the early days, it was just me, Stu, and Ethan, getting together in the time-honoured nerd tradition to conspire on bizarre and inconceivable networking specifications for our BBS's. Eventually, of course, that particular project reached its maturity, but the diner meets kept on going. Soon, others joined in, and by 1996 we often had ten or more people each week.

Each week, we were greeted by Annette Gall, a truly remarkable waitress and a kind, compassionate human being. Annette put up with our occasionally loud antics, our habit of rearranging the furniture in the diner, our somewhat confusing banter, and all the other idiosyncrasies of the weekly meets. She always managed to get our food orders correct, and she always remained cheerful and friendly. I recall one particular week; it was only the second time Joe had attended, and he ordered "the usual." She got it right, too, remembering exactly what he had ordered the previous week. And, of course, Annette served up countless instances of "The Mighty Dead Dinner" -- soup, burger, fries, Coke (no ice).

One of the events leading to the demise of our weekly meets was Annette's departure from the North Castle Diner in late 1997 due to health problems, and I was deeply saddened to learn that she had passed away last September. More disturbing was the fact that her ex-husband arrived in town only to have her cremated and then immediately left - no funeral, no memorial service. From what I've been told, the staff at the North Castle Diner was very dismayed to not have the opportunity to pay their respects. I feel much the same way, and I suspect others from the group of DinerMeet attendees do as well.

We have monthly meetings now at Applebee's in Mount Kisco (second Thursday of the month, 7:30pm). The food is better and the company is just as plentiful and boisterous, but the DinerMeets of old will always be recalled with fond nostalgia, and with them, the memory of Annette Gall. She will truly be missed.





Posted by IGnatius T Foobar <> on Mon Jan 18 1999 23:49:00 EST
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IGnatius T Foobar  says:  Sat Jul 27 2013 17:20:57 EDT
Alas, even the North Castle Diner itself is now closed. I'm not sure exactly when but was definitely some time recently, definitely this year. A lot has changed since then. Due to the ubiquity of cheap Internet access, online communities no longer have geographic affinities, so "user group meetings" aren't really something that happens anymore. Still, I'm happy to have met some great people online that are still my friends today.

vince-q  says:  Sat Jul 27 2013 20:08:19 EDT
Jul 27 2013 2:20pm from IGnatius T Foobar
Subject: Re: A small tribute
Alas, even the North Castle Diner itself is now closed. I'm not sure

exactly when but was definitely some time recently, definitely this
year. A lot has changed since then. Due to the ubiquity of cheap
Internet access, online communities no longer have geographic
affinities, so "user group meetings" aren't really something that
happens anymore. Still, I'm happy to have met some great people online

that are still my friends today.



Back in the Good Old Days we at NetK2NE used to hold a monthly Pizza Night on the last Saturday of each month. Depending on the month, anywhere from 10 to 60 folks would show up. From as far away as Philadelphia (40 miles) and Jersey City (about 65 miles). Not for me; not for the food; but just to get together, talk, and for what some might call 'fellowship.'

We don't do that anymore, since even *I* moved away. Things have changed; and not all for the better.

And I still say we lost far more than we think we gained by "high speed internet" and the advent of "web browsing."

To use the net today you no longer have to KNOW anything. It has all been reduced to the least-common-denominator of pseudo-technical mediocrity.

I remember what was.
I mourn its loss.
Sic transit gloria mundi...

zooer  says:  Sat Jul 27 2013 20:27:56 EDT
I remember get parties and softball games, I don't think we ever met at a restaurant but the Sysop did have a party or two at his house, and once we met we started hanging out with each other at other times. So how come I can post with the web interface but not the text client? and what is up with the date? Posted by IGnatius T Foobar on Mon Jan 18 1999 11:49:00 PM EST

zooer  says:  Sat Jul 27 2013 20:29:10 EDT
And I like the removing of text formatting. Feh!

IGnatius T Foobar  says:  Sat Jul 27 2013 22:11:29 EDT
Vince is right. I've been trying to locate something he said a long time ago, a comment about how he was trying to convince everyone during a 1993 OwlBash that the day of the traditional BBS was just about done and would be rapidly supplanted by something else.

And yes, I completely agree that online communities were far more "folksy" then. We had something great and it is a gift that we had the chance to experience it before the corner pubs of dialup were knocked down to make room for the Wal-Mart of Facebook.

Zooer - the date is absolutely correct. That really was when I wrote this post. This blog was seeded with some old writings of mine that I gathered from various sources.

IGnatius T Foobar  says:  Sat Jul 27 2013 22:13:46 EDT
Ah, I see that some of you might be unaware that you're actually leaving comments in a blog. You can go to http://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?p=1665821066?go=Skeptic%20Tank#comments to see what's actually going on behind the scenes. Revel in the things the Citadel data model can do!

vince-q  says:  Sun Jul 28 2013 19:41:46 EDT

Yug, IG. It was at OwlBash '93 (May 1993).

Like everything else in life, you really and truly cannot appreciate something you have until it is gone. And the "Days of Dialup" certainly is one of those things. Yes, connectivity is better, easier, more "fluid" now. The Web is, in places, an informative and fun-filled (and even educational) experience, but it is also overwhelmingly droll and trivial.

We get our daily news digitally.
And for that, we are paying through the demise of one of the grandest of all traditions, the print-version of the daily newspaper.
Imagine if the Superman comics never existed and you were setting about "creating" the "Superman Universe" today. Just how incredibly **stupid** would it seem to have Clark Kent and Lois Lane "employed" as a pair of internet bloggers instead of "investigative" " reporters " for the Metropolis Daily Planet.

And that is just one example of the give and take of modern digital communications technology.

For sure, the plusses out way the negatives. But the cultural price?

I, for one, feel truly blessed to have grown up in the 1950s, matured in the 1960s and had a professional career that spanned 1970 to my retirement in 2001. I am completely convinced that in years to come this will be viewed in retrospect as one of those never again to be experienced Golden Ages. For once that timeframe had transpired the world was a completely transformed place, in just about every way. Culturally. Technologically. And more.

And again I ask the question: is it better now than it was then?

And I keep coming up with the same answer: no.

IGnatius T Foobar  says:  Sun Jul 28 2013 21:32:39 EDT
Superman couldn't maintain a secret identity as a reporter today because there are no phone booths for him to use as changing rooms. I suppose Blogger Clark would have a smartphone app for that, though.

Lots of stuff is changing ... the global network has given rise to the global economy, which is screwing stuff up everywhere. I'm going to continue this in the Star Trek room. You'll see why in a bit.

fleeb  says:  Tue Jul 30 2013 11:00:44 EDT

Blogger Clark would have an app that changes his avatar so people don't see him as Blogger Clark anymore.

Crimefighting might similarly become virtual.

But now we're starting to edge into Max Headroom territory.

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