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[#] Thu May 20 2010 07:15:50 PM EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Where I am now, they have a whole department just for that.

[#] Fri May 21 2010 07:08:30 AM EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Yeah, we had a tech support team in my previous company.  And, all things told, they did a pretty good job.  I miss that now.



[#] Fri May 21 2010 07:55:46 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Thu May 20 2010 07:15:50 PM EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored
Where I am now, they have a whole department just for that.

Ah, the joys of being accused of being a spammer.  That's always fun.

The only thing worse than actual spammers are antispam vigilantes, especially when they can't distinguish real spam from something they actually signed up for.  At my job I occasionally find myself having to contend with one of these morons.  One of them was so obstinate that she actually tracked down my home phone number and started harassing my family.

My usual policy is to put their email addresses on a web page from which real spammers can harvest them.  :)



[#] Fri May 21 2010 08:52:16 AM EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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just put it in a debian bureport.



[#] Sat May 22 2010 04:30:58 PM EDT from rudolf @ Uncensored

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I got 4 hours of training to do a no mistake job : space dye. Usual SNAFU stuff. I get to see Monday if the stuff I did Friday is any good.



[#] Sun May 23 2010 07:36:35 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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If you dye in space, does it make a sound?

(Heh. Post photos if it comes out well. That sounds cool.)

[#] Sun May 23 2010 05:24:18 PM EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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I used to do that job, sort of. I had pretty much no technical know-how. I knew how the program worked. Someone would tell me they had a problem. I'd take down the info, try to re-create the problem, find the programmer who handled that part of the program, show them the issue, ask what to do, reply to the customer. It was a system that could drive a lot of people crazy, but it worked for a number of reasons. 1. Only I bugged the programmers as opposed to customers. 2. The customers were English speakers and the programmers weren't. 3. Since most problems are recurring, once I'd dealt with it once, I would leave the programmers alone about that problem thereafter.

I did it as a student making about 1.5x minimum wage.

Just a thought.



[#] Mon May 24 2010 07:46:38 PM EDT from rudolf @ Uncensored

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Sorry, no cameras allowed there. But I'll tell you where to buy it. Look at the thread in your local Wal Mart supercenter. It should have something that's multi-colored.  We are doing something for the seats in railroad cars, so commuters on the LIRR will not wear out the seats having sex. I did ask my rocket scientist relative about using some stuff on Mars proposals.



[#] Mon May 24 2010 09:27:26 PM EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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jock, what are you talking about ever?

[#] Mon May 24 2010 10:21:13 PM EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Where I am now, they have a whole department just for that.

My first job was like that. ahhh the good old days.

[#] Mon May 24 2010 10:23:14 PM EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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We recently got blocked by a place, and directed to a url where they told us to pay to be unblocked. It was a small fee, but they figured legit mailers would pay it and spammers wouldn't.
So they're penalizing the good guys.

The level of stupidity sometimes. These people should have their computers taken away from them.

[#] Mon May 24 2010 11:00:36 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That's *so* cool ... rudolf is involved in the project to build the new spur of the LIRR that goes to Mars.

[#] Tue May 25 2010 01:52:21 PM EDT from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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I'm a little late to the "I'm an engineer, dammit! Not tech-support" discussion, but I wanted to add my two-and-a-half-cents (inflation).

A friend of mine told me a long time ago that your boss and coworkers don't want to hear "no" as an answer to a request to do something. It took me a while to completely understand what he was saying, but I do now and try to practice it when I can.

Instead of saying, "No, I can't do that," rather say that you can, but explain the consequences. For example, I maintain a number of automated test beds here at work. We have similar test beds at different sites around the world.
Every so often I get asked, "Why don't you maintain those test beds, too?" or "Could you take a look at this problem with this remote test bed?" My typical answer is, "Sure, I can take a look at that, but I only have remote access, so I'm limited in what I can do. It may take some extra time, and if it takes too much time, I'll need to clear it with my boss otherwise I may compromise my schedule." Usually, that will get the requestor to change their mind and retract their request.
Spell

[#] Tue May 25 2010 04:38:20 PM EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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do you run something like buildot and such?



[#] Wed May 26 2010 12:18:27 PM EDT from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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No. We use a custom-build testing framework written in TCL.

What is buildot?

[#] Wed May 26 2010 06:58:54 PM EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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a typo.

its actualy buildbot

its python/twisted, and can run compiles & unit tests plus can be triggered by post commit hooks...



[#] Thu May 27 2010 12:33:48 AM EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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"Yes I can do that but you're an idiot."

[#] Thu May 27 2010 03:46:20 PM EDT from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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Ford: In a sense, yes. :) I've had people apologize when I answer them with a "I can do that, but xxxxx...." because they realize they were being stupid. The upshot: they almost never bother me with the same stupid request again. :)

bart: I'll have to look into that. The systems I maintain are geared for functional, systems, and performance testing, not unit testing, but I know our developers are always looking for way to improve their unit testing.

Thanks!
Spell

[#] Thu May 27 2010 05:13:39 PM EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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its primarily for running stuff over and over and display a 'successfull executed' - or not and display that.



[#] Fri May 28 2010 02:40:26 PM EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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"The customer is reporting the box as dead on arrival. He can't start it up. I know you're taking vacation next week, so I need a set of instructions for making a new box."

Not likely. I can't remember how to build any of our boxes anymore. I fly by the seat of my pants, because our rate of change outstrips my ability to keep anything documented, or to prepare appropriate scripts for creating anything new.

I suggested he just replace the parts that are broken and leave the hard-drives alone.

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