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[#] Sat Mar 27 2021 10:12:17 EDT from nonservator

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I'd like to go back to the wholesome days of the eighties when strippers were classy enough to not have tattoos and piercings.



[#] Sat Mar 27 2021 11:08:52 EDT from darknetuser

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2021-03-27 10:12 from nonservator
I'd like to go back to the wholesome days of the eighties when
strippers were classy enough to not have tattoos and piercings.


THIS

Ten thousand times, THIS.

Every girl nowadays is ruining her body with these things, it is depresing.

[#] Sat Mar 27 2021 15:24:18 EDT from zooer

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It is the in thing.  You are a freak if you don't have a tattoo.  I consider it part of the fall of society.  

When a society is on its way up, it emulates and wants to behave like the upper class.
When a society is on its way down, it emulates the lower class.

There are CEOs that don't wear business suits or look classy, they wear hoodies, jeans and sneakers, what the blue color workers work in.  At one time only prisoners had tattoos all over their bodies.

Society is on the way down, it is emulating the lower class.



[#] Mon Mar 29 2021 08:37:41 EDT from darknetuser

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2021-03-27 15:24 from zooer
It is the in thing.  You are a freak if you don't have a tattoo.  I
consider it part of the fall of society.  

When a society is on its way up, it emulates and wants to behave like
the upper class.
When a society is on its way down, it emulates the lower class.

There are CEOs that don't wear business suits or look classy, they
wear hoodies, jeans and sneakers, what the blue color workers work
in.  At one time only prisoners had tattoos all over their bodies.

Society is on the way down, it is emulating the lower class.


It is an interesting idea. How have you reached that conclusion?

[#] Mon Mar 29 2021 11:05:13 EDT from zooer

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The quote, I don't know where I first heard it, the rest is an observation about the fall of society.



[#] Mon Mar 29 2021 20:12:53 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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FWIW - my wife, a ranking executive - recently got a tattoo, on her lower, inner bicep. It is of a stylized hummingbird. 

I don't like it. I don't tell her I don't like it, she knows my opinions on ink, especially on girls. I managed to get through the entire punk and metal scene with only a small home-made cross on my upper shoulder that is so small it can be mistake for a mole. 

I've threatened to have it covered with a tattoo of me, getting a tattoo of me getting a tattoo. 

It startles me every time I see it. It is this alien black mark on her arm. My daughter drew the design, it is an homage to her grandmother - but, I certainly would have preferred some other method of self expression. 

 



[#] Wed Mar 31 2021 10:43:49 EDT from LoanShark

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[ one of the most Christian women I know is tattooed. One of my ex-flirtations. ]

[#] Wed Mar 31 2021 14:20:24 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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She could have Mother Theresa's virtue and Claudia Schiffer's body - I'd still find a tattoo on her unattractive and unappealing. 

 

Wed Mar 31 2021 10:43:49 EDT from LoanShark

[ one of the most Christian women I know is tattooed. One of my ex-flirtations. ]

 



[#] Sun Apr 04 2021 18:11:20 EDT from Nurb432

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Friend of mine ( who is no longer with us ) was pretty much head to toe.  Not 'blanketed' but had them all over. 

 

Wed Mar 31 2021 14:20:24 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

She could have Mother Theresa's virtue and Claudia Schiffer's body - I'd still find a tattoo on her unattractive and unappealing. 

 

Wed Mar 31 2021 10:43:49 EDT from LoanShark

[ one of the most Christian women I know is tattooed. One of my ex-flirtations. ]

 



 



[#] Wed Apr 07 2021 01:03:04 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Face tattoos used to be a sure sign of someone who didn't plan on taking too many trips around the sun. 

These days, the guy might be the CEO of a startup in San Jose. 

 

Sun Apr 04 2021 18:11:20 EDT from Nurb432

Friend of mine ( who is no longer with us ) was pretty much head to toe.  Not 'blanketed' but had them all over. 

 

Wed Mar 31 2021 14:20:24 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

She could have Mother Theresa's virtue and Claudia Schiffer's body - I'd still find a tattoo on her unattractive and unappealing. 

 

Wed Mar 31 2021 10:43:49 EDT from LoanShark

[ one of the most Christian women I know is tattooed. One of my ex-flirtations. ]

 



 



 



[#] Wed Apr 07 2021 14:46:08 EDT from LoanShark

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2021-04-07 01:03 from ParanoidDelusions
Face tattoos used to be a sure sign of someone who didn't plan on
taking too many trips around the sun. 

There's this climber girl who used to hang around the Gunks who had teh awesomest tribal face tattoo. Very much like Chakotay on Star Trek: Voyager, if you need a point of reference.

It's not what it used to be...

[#] Wed Apr 07 2021 14:54:10 EDT from Nurb432

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Her's was not on her face, it was on the base of her spine there at her skull so she could cover it with hair.    She at least had enough sense to have them where she could cover them up if need be. "unemployable" wasn't an option.

Arms and legs, you could see with normal "street" clothing. but others you could not see without permission.

Wed Apr 07 2021 01:03:04 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

Face tattoos used to be a sure sign of someone who didn't plan on taking too many trips around the sun. 

These days, the guy might be the CEO of a startup in San Jose. 

 

 



[#] Tue Apr 20 2021 18:31:35 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I've been a Protestant my whole life. 

I reject the term "Protestant". It implies that the roman catholic "church" was one-and-the-same as the early Church founded in the Great Commission.

[#] Wed Apr 21 2021 15:45:36 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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It isn't so much a description of the religious heritage, as the culture. More than a Protestant, I'm an *English* Protestant. 

It means something specific. It is basically an ethnicity. It is part of the reason why I am frequently mistaken for a local when I visit London. 

If you don't think of yourself as a Protestant, you probably aren't - especially if you think of it merely as a religious denomination or affiliation. 

It is also a thing where yes, most of the stereotypes exist for a reason. 



Tue Apr 20 2021 18:31:35 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
I've been a Protestant my whole life. 

I reject the term "Protestant". It implies that the roman catholic "church" was one-and-the-same as the early Church founded in the Great Commission.

 



[#] Wed Apr 21 2021 15:49:01 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Although it might be fair to describe me as a SECULAR (White Anglo Saxon) Protestant - which ties in with the thing about secular Jews. 

They tend to get along quite well and make good neighbors. They're both "Worry about your own affairs, and keep those affairs private," cultures. 






[#] Wed Apr 21 2021 16:04:35 EDT from Nurb432

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Begin an atheist is so much easier. You dont have to figure out what version of something you are, or be told...   its pretty much black and white. 



[#] Wed Apr 21 2021 21:40:24 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Most secual whatevers are basically agnostic. We find God whenever we're in trouble, and otherwise, we ignore Him and hope He isn't paying attention to what *we* are doing, either. 

That said - at the very least I think atheism is a bad Pascal's wager. If you've bet right, you'll never know. If you've bet wrong, you'll spend eternity suffering fully aware that you lost the best. 

Better to be a bad Christian and hope for forgiveness than a Good atheist and end up alongside the bad Christian in Hell listening to him tell you, "we told you so..." for all eternity. 

And that has to be an atheist's hell. Being stuck with all the Christians who weren't good enough to make to to paradise hearing, "An atheist, a cross fitter and a vegan all walked into a bar," jokes for eternity. 

 

Wed Apr 21 2021 16:04:35 EDT from Nurb432

Begin an atheist is so much easier. You dont have to figure out what version of something you are, or be told...   its pretty much black and white. 



 



[#] Wed Apr 21 2021 22:02:12 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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But again... WASP isn't so much a religious identity as an ethnic identity and culture. Church, for MOST people, is just a place to reinforce shared cultural values - kind of like team sports. 

Come in, the ushers give you the bulletin, walk you down the pews to your seat, you file in, sit down. The officiator comes in, whatever he is called. You stand, you sing an opening hymn. It is in a PARTICULAR style depending on your church. Guitars and Tambourines, Pipe Organs and wailing old ladies singing in high falsettos, some variation. You all sit down. The Pastor reads a prayer, you do you part. He tells an anecdote and some news about the church ladies visiting Israel. Another hymn... More standing, more sitting. A sermon, with some bible read along. You eat some bread, or crackers, or biscuits, drink some grape juice or wine. They talk about the boiler needing replacement, or the roof. They pass around the plate. You throw some money in. Another Hymn. The ushers come and usher you out. There is some candle lighting and extinguishing at the start and end. 

Service. Then afterwards, groups go to a brunch/lunch or to the big room where they hold potlucks. 

But what you're all really sharing is common cultural values. That is why Catholics and Protestants and Lutherans and Mormons and JWs and 7th Day Adventists and Greek Orthodox are all cliquish. The other groups have different values and cultural norms - and strangers stick out. They didn't cross themselves, they don't have holy water, Christ is in too much pain, or too good looking, or... 

But it goes beyond that. Catholics are consumed by guilt. They are a disappointment to their mothers. They do things and then confess them and do a penance and they're forgiven - so... Catholics start doing THINGS, because no matter what - you're going to get a penance after confession because YOU DESERVE YOUR GUILT and constant reminder that although you're a let down, you'll be forgiven if you just ADMIT what you did... so, you might as well make it good. 

Protestants don't have that. We tend to not do those crazy things, and certainly start later. We're more consumed with money and our naughty bits. We're private. We don't admit things. We try to hide them, and we carry our OWN kind of guilt - but it is more like *shame*. We're told that we're always watched, He sees everything, and He forgives us directly... we don't need to tell anyone ELSE to be forgiven, and we don't even need to tell HIM - because HE @!#*ing already SAW it. He sees EVERYTHING. So, guilt is a waste. Shame is much more appropriate. 

And that basic cultural difference is reflected, and if you happen to have been raised in a Catholic/Protestant family like mine, you can see it in the respective cultures. Italians and Irish - they'll do it. "Eh, fuck it... I'll confess and be forgiven..." They feel guilty. But they do it, and then they confess... and then they feel better. 


Protestants are more rigid, uptight, private, reserved. We're English and Germans. We're more risk adverse - because we're already FORGIVEN - but instead of guilt, we have to live with the shame - which we can't be cleansed of. That is our own personal little punishment for being imperfect - and in fact, we SHOULD keep it internalized. No one else *wants* to hear about our shame. It might give them ideas... 


They're just a reflection of the values of the cultures that they grew strongest in. 

 



[#] Thu Apr 22 2021 14:13:51 EDT from darknetuser

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That said - at the very least I think atheism is a bad Pascal's
wager. If you've bet right, you'll never know. If you've bet wrong,

you'll spend eternity suffering fully aware that you lost the best. 



I call bullshit on the wager.

If you bet on Abraham's God and it turns out the real God is Zrock the Skull Crusher, you are screwed.

It can be theorized that God likes atheists more than religious people, and will end up throwing religious people into the flames because those are dudes stupid enough to believe whatever without proper evidence.

[#] Sun Apr 25 2021 17:06:18 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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If you don't think of yourself as a Protestant, you probably aren't -
especially if you think of it merely as a religious denomination or

Good. I consider myself a bog standard fundamentalist evangelical Christian.
Catholics believe that they are the only ones who can identify that way and everyone else is a "protestant". People who make that argument are often rude and bullheaded because they insist that the early Church and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same. They aren't, of course -- the RCC came into existence about 200 years *after* the death and resurrection of Christ, and Peter was *not* a pope.

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