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[#] Wed May 17 2023 09:33:22 EDT from Nurb432

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So if a law is passed designed to protect women in sports and stuff so that people born with a Y chromosome cant have an unfair physical advantage, how does it make sense to force the law to "include Transgenders"?  Just say the law is null if that is what you are going to do.

I still say to solve this problem, much like converting bathrooms to be single person and stop labeling them, is just have 4 classes. That covers most cases that are in contention, and keeps things at a more level playing field.



[#] Wed May 17 2023 11:52:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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It's not an easy problem to solve. No one should be excluded but no one should have an unfair advantage either. Perhaps they should move every sport towards having weight and strength classes, like boxing does. The single person bathrooms are in my opinion a slam dunk win for everyone, and we should be looking for more of such outside-the-box solutions that make the problem cease to exist.

[#] Wed May 17 2023 16:32:52 EDT from Nurb432

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And not just sports or schools, private bathrooms/showers, everywhere, regardless of the current 'issue' going around.   As a kid ( or adult ) i'm not fond of public bathrooms or showering with strangers, regardless of their orientation or physical body parts.

And do truly do think that to make spots "fair", you create more classes, chromosomes, age, and sure, size.. Everyone gets to play but no one gets an advantage either.

You want to 'be the other sex', great, but you dont get to impose it on others. 

Wed May 17 2023 11:52:45 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
It's not an easy problem to solve. No one should be excluded but no one should have an unfair advantage either. Perhaps they should move every sport towards having weight and strength classes, like boxing does. The single person bathrooms are in my opinion a slam dunk win for everyone, and we should be looking for more of such outside-the-box solutions that make the problem cease to exist.

 



[#] Wed May 17 2023 17:55:44 EDT from Nurb432

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So from what i'm reading informants on this Biden, fbi, etc crap are starting to go missing.  Anyone surprised?

Man we are f-ed. 



[#] Wed May 17 2023 19:30:12 EDT from zelgomer

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2023-05-17 20:32 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
And not just sports or schools, private bathrooms/showers,
everywhere, regardless of the current 'issue' going around.   As a
kid ( or adult ) i'm not fond of public bathrooms or showering with
strangers, regardless of their orientation or physical body parts.

And do truly do think that to make spots "fair", you create more
classes, chromosomes, age, and sure, size.. Everyone gets to play but
no one gets an advantage either.

You want to 'be the other sex', great, but you dont get to impose it
on others. 
Wed May 17 2023 11:52:45 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

It's not an easy problem to solve. No one should be excluded but
no one should have an unfair advantage either. Perhaps they should
move every sport towards having weight and strength classes,
like
boxing does. The single person bathrooms are in my opinion a slam
dunk win for everyone, and we should be looking for more of such
outside-the-box solutions that make the problem cease to exist.



Is there anything wrong with a division for people born with ovaries, and then an open division. I think that can extend to pretty much everything else, too. Bathrooms, showers, P.E. class.

[#] Thu May 18 2023 07:25:46 EDT from Nurb432

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So proposing 3 classes?    M / F / Free for all

Personally id say make it a 4th if so.   That way the people in the middle can still compete among themselves.  But if you think an open season class is needed, i'm not against it, just not sure its going to help.

 

But i do still think private bathrooms/showers are long over due.  The current "preference" topic aside, it should be a private event unless you personally choose to invite people in. Be you a child, or an adult. 

Wed May 17 2023 07:30:12 PM EDT from zelgomer
Is there anything wrong with a division for people born with ovaries, and then an open division. I think that can extend to pretty much everything else, too. Bathrooms, showers, P.E. class.

 



[#] Thu May 18 2023 20:36:11 EDT from zelgomer

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2023-05-18 11:25 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
So proposing 3 classes?    M / F / Free for all


My proposal is actually two classes. F / everyone else.

[#] Fri May 19 2023 04:59:26 EDT from darknetuser

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And do truly do think that to make spots "fair", you create more

classes, chromosomes, age, and sure, size.. Everyone gets to play but

no one gets an advantage either.


Main problem here is most sports don't have enough participants in them to make that viable.

There are 10 people doing my target shooting modality in my Sports Shooting federation. There are lots of people doing shooting, but only 10 doing my modality.

If we created categories and subdivided the group, each Local competition would have... 2 participants per modality? Who in Hell would be interested in watching that?

I personally don't think wrecking sports is something we should be doing in order to accomodate people with a psychiatric pathology. Because this is what is being talking about and this is the elephant in the room nobody wants to mention.


Seriously, men wanting to compate as women make as much sense as me wanted to participate in the Derby as a horse. In fact, I have great reasons why I can argue I am a horse: I eat vegetables, smell like a horse, spend sooooo much time in a barn and the other horses accept me as another horse. However, if I wanted to compete as a horse and I was rejected, I would not be excluded because I am allowed in if I inscribe as what I really am: a fucking human rider.

We really have to stop pandering to people who wants to inscribe themselves as something they are not. Next thing we'll know is we are letting n00bs go into 1st tier boxing matches because they identify themselves as Tyson.


[#] Fri May 19 2023 05:01:25 EDT from darknetuser

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Is there anything wrong with a division for people born with ovaries,

and then an open division. I think that can extend to pretty much

everything else, too. Bathrooms, showers, P.E. class.


This would be a solution for regular people, but not for activists.

Trans want to be recognized as a member of the other sex. If you create a category for "Other" you are not recognizing them as a member of the other sex, which is what they want. This is not about competing as much as making a political point.

If competition was the point they would just compete in the categories they were already allowed to compete in.

[#] Fri May 19 2023 09:53:24 EDT from Nurb432

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lol

Thu May 18 2023 08:36:11 PM EDT from zelgomer
2023-05-18 11:25 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
So proposing 3 classes?    M / F / Free for all


My proposal is actually two classes. F / everyone else.

 



[#] Fri May 19 2023 09:59:34 EDT from Nurb432

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Actually from their self-centered view point it makes a lot of sense. If they pick a sport where men have the advantage, they will win, nearly every time ( tho there are a few women will kick their ass, its a small % if they choose the sport wisely ). "look at me i'm bigger and badder and stronger than all these pansy ass genetic women, gimme me my award i'm special!"

You pretending to be a horse,  you will lose, and perhaps get run over in the process..  Have you picked out a name yet? "Dirt Eater" sounds good . :) 

Fri May 19 2023 04:59:26 AM EDT from darknetuser
Seriously, men wanting to compate as women make as much sense as me wanted to participate in the Derby as a horse. 

 



[#] Sat May 20 2023 05:20:17 EDT from darknetuser

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You pretending to be a horse,  you will lose, and perhaps get run

over in the process..  Have you picked out a name yet? "Dirt Eater"

sounds good . :) 


Pretending to be a horse makes more friends than pretending to be human. Most of the friends I make this way are horses, which is great \o/

I already have a horse name (for online related horse videogames) but it is a sikrit identity.

[#] Mon May 22 2023 11:48:50 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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We really have to stop pandering to people who wants to inscribe
themselves as something they are not. Next thing we'll know is we are

letting n00bs go into 1st tier boxing matches because they identify
themselves as Tyson.

I really have no problem with any consenting adult wanting to live their lives as whoever or whatever they want to. It's a free world and it's their choice. And I still believe that the majority of people who want to do that are not activists and they just want to be left alone.

The ones who are looking for trouble, however, deserve trouble; they deserve lots and lots of painful, fatal trouble.

[#] Mon May 22 2023 12:06:22 EDT from Nurb432

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And they are the true casualties of the activists.  

Mon May 22 2023 11:48:50 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
 And I still believe that the majority of people who want to do that are not activists and they just want to be left alone.


 



[#] Mon May 22 2023 12:19:44 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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Hence why I want to fatally stab Dylan Mulvaney for making the rest of us look like freaks and making life moar difficult than it needs to be, because people see that hot mess and say "we gotta do somefang about this."  Activists are the worst.

Mon May 22 2023 11:48:50 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
 And I still believe that the majority of people who want to do that are not activists and they just want to be left alone.

 



[#] Mon May 22 2023 12:24:12 EDT from Nurb432

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Yup 

I actually have several friends that qualify for flying the rainbow flag. ( tho several are no longer with us ) and not a single one supports what is going on. All they want is just to be left alone, and treated like everyone else.

And around here, this how it was forever, and no one really gave a damn what you were, until the activists got in the way, now there is growing animosity towards them.

Mon May 22 2023 12:19:44 PM EDT from LadySerenaKitty

  Activists are the worst.

 


[#] Mon May 22 2023 12:32:11 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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I stopped flying the rainbow flag when "pedosexual" became a thing.  Nope, nope, nope!  I refuse to have any association with anything that even remotely involves children in that way.

The Left is really good at alienating people who would otherwise support one of their causes.

Mon May 22 2023 12:24:12 EDT from Nurb432

I actually have several friends that qualify for flying the rainbow flag. ( tho several are no longer with us ) and not a single one supports what is going on.

 

 



[#] Mon May 22 2023 13:06:25 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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That's because it isn't about gender or sexuality or race or any of the other idpol things. It's never been about those things, and the people who get caught up in it are what communist leaders call "useful idiots". As I've said before, it is 100% textbook Marxism. You divide people into two camps, you make one side feel like they are oppressed and need revenge, you make the other side feel like they are oppressors and need to do penance, and once both sides relent and give the Marxist leaders all of the power and control, both sides lose.

In the mid 20th century it was about "class"
In the 21st century it's now about "race" or "gender" or any of the others.

It's the same thing, but with the divisions set up in different places because people started catching on to the old ones. You're either the oppressor or the oppressed, and the only way to fix it is to give Big Guv more power. If you're smart enough to see through the scam, you are fomenting "hate speech" and need to be canceled.

This is the major reason I cannot endorse any leftist identity politics movement, even as I love my fellow citizens who might not share all of the same identity classes that I do. It's never about a class of people being oppressed, and anyone who thinks otherwise has fallen victim to the scam.

[#] Mon May 22 2023 13:29:26 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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Giving government moar power is how Carbon Credits and Carbon Taxes came into being.  When government gets bigger and moar powerful, we lose our rights.  I believe I have spoken about a solution to this purroblem befoar, a few pages back.

Mon May 22 2023 13:06:25 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
... and the only way to fix it is to give Big Guv more power.

 



[#] Mon May 22 2023 15:24:28 EDT from Nurb432

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Wait? you have rights?  :)

Along those lines, local town meeting with our state road people on proposed changes to our local main road that **no one** wants.   "shut up , serf" is basically what happened.

From the news story: " He said questions weren’t answered during the public hearing because INDOT was following a federally mandated format for the public hearing. That format does not allow feedback to the public during the hearing. Though it is frustrating to the public, state officials must use this public hearing format when federal money is being used for a project, Newport explained."

Mon May 22 2023 01:29:26 PM EDT from LadySerenaKitty

Giving government moar power is how Carbon Credits and Carbon Taxes came into being.  When government gets bigger and moar powerful, we lose our rights.  I believe I have spoken about a solution to this purroblem befoar, a few pages back.

Mon May 22 2023 13:06:25 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
... and the only way to fix it is to give Big Guv more power.

 



 



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