Politics & Propaganda

[#] Mon Dec 19 2011 17:08:54 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

its been like that for a year.

[#] Mon Dec 19 2011 17:58:07 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

Hungary is a canary of a different color, but certainly singing at

I tend to see these canaries as being of the same species if not precisely the same shade. The death of Israel would mean the death of freedom for the Jews...

The recently deceased freedom in Hungary may mean... perhaps the same thing. For the same people. Think about it. Hungary has written Xtianity into their constitution, and... purged their Christian churches of any doctrines that disagree with the state-sanctioned version. It appears they are literally going around forcing Nonconformists to dissolve their congregations.

In a particular part of the world that has not always been friendly towards the Jews.

Brad DeLong on the Greek concept of democracy and the original defition of freedom:

"...in Herodotus's Histories, where Demaratus tells Xerxes that Persia will have a difficult time conquering Greece. Why? Because the Greeks are not slaves but free men, and will not easily submit and will fight hard. Why will they fight hard? Because they value being free and not being slaves very much. How will they be able to fight hard and so keep their freedom? Because free men are slaves to a particular master: the [democratic] laws that the boulos and demos prescribe. Indeed, men who do not willingly become slaves to the law don't stay free men for long."

[#] Tue Dec 20 2011 08:00:07 EST from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

Sadly, I believe it's been some time since there has been freedome for Jews (or Muslims for that matter) in Hungry.

But, I do agree that there is relativity and I certainly agree that freedom is in trouble around the world with great impact on Israel - and the US, whether we like to admit it or not.

[#] Tue Dec 20 2011 13:31:16 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

The citizens of the United States have been gladly giving up their freedoms in the name of safety and or convenience for a long time now. I am sure it is happening all over the world. Maybe those guys over on Prison Planet are only mildly crazy conspiracy nuts.

[#] Thu Dec 22 2011 14:08:15 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

But there's lots of "alerts" about the withdrawal of the final US
troops from Iraq....

And little if any mention has been made of the fact that the withdrawal is happening because of the expiration of our agreement with the Iraqi government to remain there. His Talks to continue the occupation fell apart so we HAD to leave.

Personally I'm just happy we're getting out; it's not doing anything good for us.

[#] Thu Dec 22 2011 16:40:14 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

(That should say "Talks" not "His Talks" ... I had started writing something about history but didn't erase it completely)

[#] Thu Dec 22 2011 17:09:31 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

We sure as hell didn't build a Japan out there.

[#] Fri Dec 23 2011 13:27:40 EST from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

Japan wasn't fighting itself when we were there. Or really us much at that point. They just wanted to move forward. I don't get that feeling in Iraq.. Or anywhere else we're committed at the moment.

[#] Fri Dec 23 2011 13:35:37 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

Very true. And you know, we are overstretched.

[#] Fri Dec 23 2011 14:07:01 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

Yes... we are overstretched. Which is why I didn't want us messing around in the in the first place.

On a completely different topic, though:

http://www.popaganda.com/media/blogs/billboards/cereal%20boxes%20on%20shelf%20 LA%20SM.JPG

Subversive art, with a decidedly anti-corporate bend to it.

[#] Sun Dec 25 2011 10:02:51 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

well, yes Iraq. I'd basicaly compare it to yougoslavia, a state where ethnical groups have been combined, and one oppressed the other.

I guess the Iraq and its peoples would be better of to become a looseley couplet union of at least 3 states.

Fri Dec 23 2011 14:07:01 ESTfrom fleeb @ Uncensored

Yes... we are overstretched. Which is why I didn't want us messing around in the in the first place.

whew fleeb, this one is so true. should better belong into health and wellness?

But the smacks frog pushing shugar... remindet me of my last attempt to buy these. I simply can't keep myself from eating much more than I would require.

if you have a cereals mix with oatmeal plus lots of other stuff in it, and a mere 5% of these in the mix it might be ok.

but else this is a real killer, and comparing it to H is definitely justified.

On a completely different topic, though:

http://www.popaganda.com/media/blogs/billboards/cereal%20boxes%20on%20shelf%20LA%20SM.JPG

Subversive art, with a decidedly anti-corporate bend to it.

[#] Sun Dec 25 2011 12:19:20 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

If we spent a little more time fixing our domestic issues and less time fucking with other countries, we would probably be much better off.

But then, I've held a rather isolationist perspective for a long time now.

[#] Sun Dec 25 2011 14:01:44 EST from triLcat @ Uncensored

It looks like an advertisement for General Mills. Look at it - The Cinnamon Toast Crunch and Apple Cinnamon Cheerios are left alone!

Sun Dec 25 2011 10:02:51 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

well, yes Iraq. I'd basicaly compare it to yougoslavia, a state where ethnical groups have been combined, and one oppressed the other.

I guess the Iraq and its peoples would be better of to become a looseley couplet union of at least 3 states.

Fri Dec 23 2011 14:07:01 ESTfrom fleeb @ Uncensored

Yes... we are overstretched. Which is why I didn't want us messing around in the in the first place.

whew fleeb, this one is so true. should better belong into health and wellness?

But the smacks frog pushing shugar... remindet me of my last attempt to buy these. I simply can't keep myself from eating much more than I would require.

if you have a cereals mix with oatmeal plus lots of other stuff in it, and a mere 5% of these in the mix it might be ok.

but else this is a real killer, and comparing it to H is definitely justified.

On a completely different topic, though:

http://www.popaganda.com/media/blogs/billboards/cereal%20boxes%20on%20shelf%20LA%20SM.JPG

Subversive art, with a decidedly anti-corporate bend to it.

[#] Sun Dec 25 2011 14:44:58 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

At this point a reminder is in order: the standard of netequitte on Uncensored is to refrain from excessive "pull quoting"

[#] Sun Dec 25 2011 15:02:49 EST from triLcat @ Uncensored

my apologies. I wanted to be sure that everyone could see the image after my take on it.

[#] Tue Dec 27 2011 10:01:04 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

I guess the Iraq and its peoples would be better of to become a
looseley couplet union of at least 3 states.

Funny you should mention that. Wolf Blitzer (of the Commie News Network) just wrote an article saying almost the same thing:

http://situationroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/26/blitzer-iraq-could-break-apart/

Of course, "become a loosely coupled union" is optimistic. The more likely scenario is that without foreign oversight, it will simply degrade into civil war. One might even argue that if these people can't coexist without the oversight of either a brutal dictatorship or a foreign military presence, then perhaps the loose smattering of smaller ethnic-states is in fact the natural order of things there.

[#] Tue Dec 27 2011 11:00:27 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

We love drawing lines around geographic locations and saying, "That's a country."

For some cultures, however, that idea just seems bizarre.

[#] Fri Dec 30 2011 15:56:26 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

A deaf lady wanted me to be her vice-chair in this precinct for the Democratic Party. She keeps thinking I'm a Democrat, but I've told her many times that I identify as independant (and that I do not particularly like either party).

She'd be shocked if she knew the full extent of my views. To her, it isn't that big a deal to force condominium associations to pay for all the condominiums to have special equipment installed for deaf people so that they can see when the fire alarms go off (when the condominiums already have something in place for that, but I guess she doesn't seem to think they are good enough). I'm not keen on the idea, though, as I don't really want to pay even more in condo fees because of something like that.

[#] Fri Dec 30 2011 16:29:01 EST from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

We've gone so far down the entitlement lane now that even moderate "progressives" find themselves confused - and fewer and fewer seem to understand the cause and effect matrix.

Not sure if I mentioned this before, but a bit ago, my next door neighbor and her son got caught in the "occupy salem" demonstration. At dinner that night, he wanted to know why people were so mean and not wanting to help them (they wanted the city to give subsidies for college) and positited that if everyone chipped in than everyone should be able to go.

My middle-class neighbor spent some time trying to explain, and then finally said something to the effect of: "you know all those vacations and toys we've not been able to get for you because we 'couldn't afford' them - and all the times we couldn't make your plays and games because we were working? The reason was so that we could save for you to be able to go to an ivy league school - or whatever other college you choose. If we instead give that money to other people so that *they* can go to college, then we would not be able to give it to you....and you would likely either have to attend whatever school the state was willing to pay for or work your way through."

Her son - a high school junior with straight A's genuinely had difficulty comprehending why both could not happen.

[#] Fri Dec 30 2011 18:52:19 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

The Occupy types need to focus a bit less (or not at all) on the "give me a handout" thing, and more on the "how do we best create jobs" thing.