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[#] Mon Aug 23 2010 00:32:56 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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All VoIP services have *some* amount of latency. Some are worse than others.

[#] Mon Aug 23 2010 01:26:39 EDT from Nite*Star

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Other than POTS, isn't most Voice carried over IP these days anyway (think digital mobile phones... and most office system phones nowadays ...)

[#] Mon Aug 23 2010 09:08:36 EDT from fleeb

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If you want to be pedantic about it (and, let's face it, who here *doesn't* like to get pedantic occasionally), you will find latency in POTS, too. Or a pair of cans and twine.

[#] Mon Aug 23 2010 17:22:24 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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What's the latency of an unladen swallow?

[#] Tue Aug 24 2010 03:47:08 EDT from arabella

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Mon Aug 23 2010 05:22:24 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
What's the latency of an unladen swallow?

African, or European?



[#] Tue Aug 24 2010 15:06:59 EDT from dothebart

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Mo Aug 23 2010 17:28:20 EDT von LoanShark @ Uncensored

Python, VM, interpreter, Google

i've been telling for a while now, VM is just another lie for a pimped interpreter. another piece of the puzzle.



[#] Tue Aug 24 2010 15:47:19 EDT from LoanShark

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Yes, I see it now. Bart is correct: obliterate all compiler IR (intermediate representation.) If you can't compile in one pass directly from AST to native machine code, it's not a real compiler.

;)

[#] Tue Aug 24 2010 16:18:43 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Wait'll he sees the new C interpreter we're going to make him use   :)



[#] Tue Aug 24 2010 18:41:29 EDT from dothebart

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Di Aug 24 2010 15:47:19 EDT von LoanShark @ Uncensored

Yes, I see it now. Bart is correct: obliterate all compiler IR (intermediate representation.) If you can't compile in one pass directly from AST to native machine code, it's not a real compiler.

;)

llvm even calls itself low-level-virtual-machine...

and its catching up in terms of performance to gcc (better than java ;-P)



[#] Tue Aug 24 2010 23:42:51 EDT from LoanShark

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I'm sorry, didn't you just kinda sorta undermine YOUR WHOLE ENTIRE F*CKING POINT, THERE or did I just miss something?

;)

[#] Thu Aug 26 2010 19:36:30 EDT from Ford II

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nifty thing about skype is that if your cell phone (or ipod touch)
does wifi, you can skype on it for the same price as you skype from
home with no noticeable difference. Plus skype to skype is free and
you'd be surprised how many people use skype.

Except you can't plug skype into a real phone without some spensive hardware. No I don't want to make phone calls on my computer.
If I was rich enough to afford a phone that did wifi I wouldn't have to cheap out on my land line service.
And that only works if I'm near a wifi hotspot.

[#] Thu Aug 26 2010 19:38:31 EDT from Ford II

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I have a hard time understanding how llvm could be gcc unless gcc got worse over the years, or they're not taking advantage of all the processor tweaks.

[#] Thu Aug 26 2010 19:38:57 EDT from Ford II

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back to phones, friend of mine called me on the google today.
Apparently google chat can call the pots network now for free.

[#] Fri Aug 27 2010 06:19:48 EDT from dothebart

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Do Aug 26 2010 19:38:31 EDT von Ford II @ Uncensored
I have a hard time understanding how llvm could be gcc unless gcc got worse over the years, or they're not taking advantage of all the processor tweaks.

its transpiling C into an intermediate code (well, somehow gcc does that too...) but thats done in a way so it has more information about what a program / object are about to do.

So it can smarter decide when to do loop unroling, inlining and other stuff when creating the actual object.

It also can create much more precise errormessages which show this "awareness" of whats it currently doing than gcc can.



[#] Sat Aug 28 2010 08:41:26 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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If I was rich enough to afford a phone that did wifi I wouldn't have

to cheap out on my land line service.

wifi has come to even the somewhat low-end phones now. The problem is that you generally can't keep it on all the time because it kills your battery.

[#] Wed Sep 01 2010 18:04:55 EDT from triLcat

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I'm thinking of getting a toshiba g810.

any thoughts?



[#] Wed Sep 01 2010 18:11:45 EDT from triLcat

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oh, the other one I'm seriously considering (same price range, also has wifi, also touch screen) is the nokia 5530 Xpress Music (but it doesn't have GPS, which means that if I ever get a car, I'll have to buy a separate GPS, b/c I'm severely directionally challenged. OTOH, getting a GPS in Israel is a whole weird issue - just b/c your cell phone has one doesn't mean you can safely use it because you might accidentally drive into an unsafe place... so it might not be a relevant consideration, although it's not a relevant problem if, for example, I'm looking for an address in Tel Aviv, Haifa, or Modiin)



[#] Thu Sep 02 2010 01:43:29 EDT from the8088er

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wifi has come to even the somewhat low-end phones now. The problem is

that you generally can't keep it on all the time because it kills your

battery.

It does however (as I understand it) use less battery than 3G.

[#] Thu Sep 02 2010 10:01:58 EDT from Ford II

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It does however (as I understand it) use less battery than 3G.

TADA! My point exactly, although I think this is a point for a conversation in another room,.

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