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[#] Wed Jun 01 2011 22:55:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Well, sure, you have to use IE to download chrome.

I didn't use IE; I just did "apt-get install google-chrome" :)

To be honest, I don't think Gates *wants* to run Microsoft again. He may be evil but he's not stupid: he knows that Microsoft's best days are behind it; he might even be aware that the tech sector in general is moving away from the United States as we continue our race to the bottom.

I think what Microsoft *really* needs is not Gates, not Ballmer, but someone with the business skills to turn Microsoft into a properly operating "old company." Instead of trying to gobble up 100% of every market it enters, Microsoft needs to grow the fuck up and start acting more like IBM. Build products that may not be sexy but can be trusted as reliable workhorses. Be a trustworthy corporate partner, become a blue chip stock, pay out dividends, and sit quietly in the background as an engine of American business.

Paul Graham once suggested that "Microsoft's biggest weakness is that they still don't realize how much they suck." That's a rather provocative way of putting it, but they really do still think that they can b all things to all people. They haven't come to terms with the fact that the computer industry is way too big for one company to own it all, and that it's ok to cede some parts of the market.

Gates has probably realized that Microsoft peaked in the late 1990's and that was its best, and last, chance to "own it all" before disruptive forces changed the game towards the end of the decade.

[#] Fri Jun 03 2011 15:04:35 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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So ... what does everyone think of the user interface (sorry ... "experience") they're preparing for Vista 8? Evidently, they are planning to deploy their smartphone UI on *every* version of Windows, regardless of whether it's for a phone, a tablet, a laptop, or a desktop.

All of the demo videos I've seen so far have been driven by touch. I would imagine it's going to be quite cumbersome and frustrating to use with a mouse.

They seem to have this obsession with conformity *of* Windows, not just *to* Windows. "One world, one operating system, one user interface" (Microsoft's version of "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer")

[#] Fri Jun 03 2011 16:48:13 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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The new UI is a bunch of eye-candy with a huge learning curve.... not "intuitive" at all and seems a bit on the "trying to make everyone happy" theme.

I'm all for changing UI's to match the current trends, which is nice and good, but why completely change absolutely every single way you interact with your computer?

Will there be a way to completely disable this new UI so people-like-me can work in a familiar environment instead of something terribly confusing?

Instead of consulting a team of designers, they should be researching how the users feel about these subjects. I think they've long-sense lost sight of the customer and they're trying to make themselves happy with this UI (and other) redesign.



[#] Fri Jun 03 2011 16:51:13 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Microsoft's UI peaked with Windows 95. Everything since then has been annoying.
I suspect that the Windows 8 "experience" will be about as well received by desktop users as Microsoft Bob.

[#] Fri Jun 03 2011 17:14:25 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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granted, since '95 they've added a *few* useful features to the main task bar like grouping programs, combining tasks, choosing what notifications go into the 'drawer' permanently and what stays visible permanently, etc. but there are some features (particularly with Win7) that I don't like, like how they changed the networking interfaces, control panels, and some of the other advanced features.

the new UI with Win8 seems like they're trying to put even more distance between the 'average user' and any advanced settings/features that might be available through the standard (old) UI.



[#] Fri Jun 03 2011 21:57:06 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Fri Jun 03 2011 16:51:13 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Microsoft's UI peaked with Windows 95. Everything since then has been annoying.

Oh goodness no.  I'd step to Win2000, but not 95.  Win95 was vile, but Win2000 had some class (for a Microsot product).

I did not like the candy-like UI they created in XP, and since then it's only gone sillier.

Heh... 'Microsot'.  I'm leaving that misspelling in.



[#] Sat Jun 04 2011 05:06:43 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Fr Jun 03 2011 16:48:13 EDT von skpacman @ Uncensored

Will there be a way to completely disable this new UI so people-like-me can work in a familiar environment instead of something terribly confusing?

install linux/kde ;-P



[#] Sat Jun 04 2011 11:21:08 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Seriously, take a look at this video: http://youtu.be/p92QfWOw88I

After laughing at the fact that Microsoft has to use a Google video service to demonstrate Vista 8 --

Can you imagine having to slog through a user interface optimized for a touchscreen, when you're actually on a mouse-driven desktop -- all day, every day?

I hope they don't expect that the next generation of upright monitors are all going to have touchscreens. That would be an ergonomic nightmare.

[#] Sun Jun 05 2011 05:57:15 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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hm, i'm using a tiling WM, and i'd say they at least are using parts of that...

but yes, its more looking like the x-box or some phone than a workstation OS.

so the name Wintendo gets a whole new meaning ;-)



[#] Mon Jun 06 2011 17:56:04 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I'm all for changing UI's to match the current trends, which is nice
and good, but why completely change absolutely every single way you
interact with your computer?

Because you can't repackage the same shit without changing it, call it something else and get people to pay money for it.
You've got to change something, and the UI is the most obvious thing to change.

[#] Mon Jun 06 2011 17:56:48 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Will there be a way to completely disable this new UI so
people-like-me can work in a familiar environment instead of
something terribly confusing?

That's a great question for google in regards to chrome.
Can't wait to see how fucked up and non-historical-standard chromeos is.

[#] Mon Jun 06 2011 18:03:51 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I hope they don't expect that the next generation of upright monitors

are all going to have touchscreens. That would be an ergonomic


That's the first thing I thought of... windows 8 now requires a touch screen monitor. Which means a) start looking around at what touch screen companies MS has bought into lately (keep an eye out for the MS table thing they did a while ago) or b) all of your computing needs of the future will be perfectly viable on a tablet or a phone and nobody will need a desktop computer anymore.

That video shows quite the fucked up scene that you now have to type on the screen in front of you. holding your arms in the air? That's insane.
Look for a bunch of joke products out that are armholders that sit where your keyboard used to be. Sorta like the onion joke about the mac with an ipod wheel instead of a keyboard.

[#] Mon Jun 06 2011 20:57:45 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Windows 8, embedded.

*snicker*



[#] Mon Jun 06 2011 23:19:17 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That video shows quite the fucked up scene that you now have to type

on the screen in front of you. holding your arms in the air? That's
insane.

We had a discussion about this around the lunch table today.

Conclusion: the movie "Minority Report" has severely harmed the computer industry by giving people a really bad idea of what future UI design should look like.

Perhaps they don't expect you to touch your screen. Perhaps they expect you to buy a Kinect(tm) for every desktop computer, and you'll have to wave your hands at it to move things around. Laptop manufacturers would be forced to license the technology for every unit sold, thereby creating a NEW Microsoft Tax to replace or supplement the existing one for Windows.

Or perhaps they expect future desktop and laptop computers to resemble a larger version of the Nintendo DS: an upright display in front of you, and a touch-sensitive display where the keyboard used to be -- no more full-motion keys.

Any of these things seem like an ergonomic nightmare.

And this is what happens when Microsoft tries to build something on its own without stealing ideas from someone who's already done it correctly.

[#] Tue Jun 07 2011 06:06:36 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Mo Jun 06 2011 23:19:17 EDT von IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored


Or perhaps they expect future desktop and laptop computers to resemble a larger version of the Nintendo DS: an upright display in front of you, and a touch-sensitive display where the keyboard used to be -- no more full-motion keys.

I realy liked my fingerworks keyboard. (may it rest in piece) and I still hope apple is going to release a grown up version of it again any time soon; you  can already buy a gesture pad again, and the 'magic mouse' which I use with my netbook, great stuff.

while it didn't have discrete keys, it had marks where to put the fingers at (which is exactly what i'm missing at the magicmouse)

being able to mouse / move text cursor by whiping over it with two keys was a real joy!



[#] Tue Jun 07 2011 16:20:23 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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That video shows quite the fucked up scene that you now have to type

on the screen in front of you. holding your arms in the air? That's
insane.

http://www.theonion.com/video/apple-introduces-revolutionary-new-laptop-with-no,14299/

[#] Wed Jun 08 2011 07:51:01 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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yeah, that's the one I was talking about elsewhere.

[#] Thu Jun 09 2011 06:36:00 EDT from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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Yeah, I get that shit ALL the time at work. Drives me batty and you
can't turn it off.

Um, you CAN turn it off -- your sysadmin must just have it set up so you can't make the prefs change.

[#] Fri Jun 10 2011 05:54:06 EDT from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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This just amuses me to no end, whatsoever. XD

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/profile/ignatius%20t%20foobar/

[#] Fri Jun 10 2011 14:53:47 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Hmm. I don't even remember why I created that login.

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