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[#] Mon Aug 27 2012 15:10:13 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Why not use a real rolling distro like Arch or Gentoo (where the package maintainer is currently procrastinanting with other stuff instead of updating the ebuilds..... ;)? I don't know if there is an arch... build script or something, but could be done, I think.

The other way of dealing with this stuff is using a LTS version of a distro. As a conservativ debian (and derivates) hater, I chose centos for some of my servers. Centos6 is going to stay for a while. On the other hand, I am considering ClearOS as an alternative for more SBS like installs.



[#] Sun Sep 02 2012 07:53:41 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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You know something ... Linus Torvalds is one of the most brilliant developers in the world. He runs circles around everyone else. But when he speaks about anything other than software development he's a complete bonehead. That's kind of disappointing.

[#] Sun Sep 02 2012 18:06:21 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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I forget how easy installing Linux can be. I was still using Ubuntu 10.4 and not wanting to install for many reasons. I installed Debian side-by-side with Ubuntu and things are relativly smooth. Not perfect but what isn't working I am learning or
at least remembering what I forgot when I installed the last time.

[#] Tue Sep 04 2012 10:09:37 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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I don't care much for Ubuntu but I have to hand it to them -- their install is painless and the hardware support is great. Debian is pretty good now too but they don't include a lot of "non-free" firmware that you have to install manually and things just don't seem to configure as easily in my experience.

[#] Tue Sep 04 2012 10:30:08 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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I started linux on a command line server, I wanted to give a desktop environment a try and I think I dual booted SUSE with
KDE. I hated it. I had messed around a little with other distros/environments but not enough. Then my ex-boss had a
project he wanted me to work on in the last few weeks of my ex-company's operations. He wanted it on Ubuntu with the
default Gnome flavor. I was empressed, things were easy and everything seemed to work. I installed and started to dual
boot with it at home and very quickly it became my OS of choice. If I had any questions I thought the forums were very
friendly and helpful.

I dislike Gnome3/unity, I was ready for something else. I tried Fedora but not enough and felt Debian was the next step in
the evolution. I don't think Debian people are as friendly as the Ubuntu crowd.

[#] Tue Sep 04 2012 14:12:54 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Achieving the "classic" GNOME desktop with GNOME 3 on Debian is surprisingly easy. Install the package "gnome-panel" and you're good to go. Ubuntu offers no such flexibility.

Although I must admit I am beginning to warm up to GNOME Shell.

[#] Tue Sep 04 2012 20:06:57 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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I noticed I downloaded and am using Debian version 6 (Squeeze). It came with Gnome 2. It also has a
lot of older versions of programs such as GIMP and VirtualBox. Those I am not happy about wish it
game with the latest versions of those programs.

[#] Tue Sep 04 2012 22:52:39 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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I have a Gnome install on a freebie HP laptop... if I could just get the touchpad to work right...

[#] Wed Sep 05 2012 08:26:28 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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I am still pissed Debian doesn't have the latest GIMP and Virtualbox. If a two year old version of Ubuntu has the latest Vitualbox
then Debian should.

[#] Wed Sep 05 2012 09:28:00 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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I wouldn't run a debian stable on a desktop.

testing usualy is stable enough (unless the first 2 months after stable is released...)

there are also backports, if you like to install more modern software on the aging stable stuff.



[#] Wed Sep 05 2012 11:38:15 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Tried backports for GIMP, said I had the latest version. I know Ubuntu had PPAs you could add. I think with GIMP there was a
dependency that was needed.

Feh, maybe I should just get away from the Debian style and move on to something else.

[#] Thu Sep 06 2012 12:06:06 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Didn't you hear? The Linux desktop is dead. Miguel de Icaza said so.

[#] Thu Sep 06 2012 13:07:22 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Yeah, and Gnome3 killed it. I am looking at Fedora but I am not sure. They don't have a release date for Debian 7 yet, and the
"known problems" list doesn't make me happy.

[#] Fri Sep 07 2012 12:34:07 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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http://cubieboard.org

cute, with sata connector. and a little more steam then the pi.



[#] Sat Sep 08 2012 15:39:14 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Nice. I hope there are lots of these, including a few major blockbusters, and that they end up making the Android Desktop inevitable.

[#] Sat Sep 08 2012 20:21:36 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Yes because icons on a desktop sucked under unity but is sooooo cool under Android.

Why don't use install Android x86 on your desktop? They also have a live version. I have it running on my old Dell laptop although I
can not get the broadcom wireless to work.

Hint for the wise if you are going to install Android x86, don't allow it to install grub, it doesn't look for other OS if you do. It
uses GRUB 1.x. Say "no" to install grub and you need to install it manually into your current grub file. (/etc/grub.d/40_custom)

[#] Sat Sep 08 2012 20:23:10 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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feh.... "and you need to install it manually into your current grub file."
should read "and you need to add Androidx86 manually into your current grub file."

[#] Sun Sep 09 2012 04:26:56 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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or... get a linux kernel > 3.4 and try running the android userland next to your traditional linux userland



[#] Sun Sep 09 2012 09:58:27 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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I have it in a Virtualbox and a duel boot. The Virtualbox's browser can connect to the Internet, but none of the apps can use the lan, and
I can't sign on. "Wireless unavailable" I don't know why the browswer finds the bridged lan but nothing else will.
The multi-boot stand alone version of Android doesn't connect at all. The laptop uses broadcom chips and many people are saying they can't
get Androidx86 and broadcom to play nice.

[#] Sun Sep 09 2012 11:49:27 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Android x86 is a neat toy but it's not really usable on a normal desktop, for the same reason Windows 8 and Ubuntu Unity aren't really usable on a desktop.
However, the one feature of Android that makes an adaptation possible is the fact that it has pluggable launchers. A group of developers serious about bringing Android to the desktop could build a desktop friendly launcher.

However, I think the real opportunity would be to build an Android stack that seamlessly merges itself into a conventional operating system. Android apps could appear in the system menu alongside native apps, and share a filesystem and other system resources. Considering that Microsoft is trying to blur the line between its monopoly desktop and its shitty phones and tablets, the rest of the world should do the same.

(Apple could do the same with enabling iOS apps to run on a Mac, but that doesn't sound like the kind of thing they would do.)

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