D-Bus is just an IPC mechanism. It's going to be there regardless of what device manager is sitting underneath.
udev is the replacement for devfs, the thing replacing HAL is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeviceKit, with its minions ukit and upower. Under the reign of PolicyKit they let you mount your usb sticks and whatnot as normal user. And it is easy, have a look here: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-858965-highlight-.html <- one monster of a firstpost and 12 pages of addendum...
And of course you need not only ConsoleKit, PolicyKit and DeviceKit, no, you will also need PAM as it seems. And I hate PAM. I once had all my systems PAMfree.
The funny thing is, that it seems that PolKit replaced PolicyKit and the DeviceKit stuff is merged into (lib)udev...
Stuff like this and the "Xorg goes HAL, all will be golden now. Wait, we are removing HAL and we will not go with the next hype since they deprecate it before anyone converts to it" incidents are what I ment with "hey, lets reimplement it again, differently". It is the complete opposite to the MS route who stick with a stupid concept for years. But both ways suck.
MMMMmmmmm PAM. I wonder if I still have the thread where I argued with Patrick Volkerding (Slackware) about my need for a PAM package (and my naive thoughts on how easy it would be). Early in my messing around with Linux and found that I did not in fact want to recompile all that needed to be recompiled. Turns out there are folks that ended up packaging linux-pam for Slack, but that was years later - and I used their work to my advantage when I needed to install VMWare Server on Slackware. Being lazy pays off some times :-)
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So, I've been putting-off updating my Ubuntu10.10 systems to 11.04 because last time I tried, it screwed up xorg and nvidia horribly. I don't want to nuke my system and do a fresh install of 11.04, nor do I want to lose my gfx drivers and have to do back-handed ways to get them back.
Anyone have advice?
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btw, this is the problem/solution i tried last time and never worked for me:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1742952
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nvm. solved my own problem.
At the end of the 11.04 upgrade it asks if you want to remove the "obsolete" and "unused" packages and dependencies. I said "Keep Them" and all worked out fine.
I don't really like the Unity desktop, so I logged out and chose the "Ubuntu Classic" session at the bottom during login.
All is right with the world now :)
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I was using my netbook last night and noticed that Unity does work well on it. Imagine that: it's where they began work on that UI and it's where it works well, when there's limited screen real estate.
I hate all this convergence crap. Each device should run a UI that is designed for it.
i3 scales nice from tiny to big screens.
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I'll install xfce when I get a chance. I've always loved Xfce, so clean and well fitting to my 2 screen setup with nVidia graphics. I only did the "Ubuntu Classic" since it was an easy fix for in a hurry.
It would seem, updating to 11.04 was less painful this time. Though, I did the Ford (or is it someone else I'm thinking of from here?... my memory fails me) approach and waited several months to actually do the update.
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Fri Jul 22 2011 09:39:44 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ UncensoredI hate all this convergence crap. Each device should run a UI that is designed for it.
And I'm on the same boat here. I hate the new proposed UI for Win8... and Unity sucks for large screens (I have 2 monitors at 1680 x 1050)
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so I ran the sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
Installed beautifully. just waiting until I get home to see the results. I'm assuming I have to choose that option at the login screen the same way I chose "Ubuntu Classic"
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i3 scales nice from tiny to big screens.
True -- it's ugly at *any* resolution. :)
I tried the tiling window manager thing ... it just didn't work for me. I seem to benefit from having the corners of buried windows sticking out from under the top ones.
It's a shame that GEM has even been bypassed by the "this old software is perfect for today's resource-constrained embedded systems" window of opportunity.
Heh. Look at that. According to [ http://www.deltasoft.com/news.htm ] it seems that when Caldera bought the GEM sources from Novell (as part of their acquisition of the assets of Digital Research, such as DR-DOS) in 1997, they had the intention of using GEM as a platform for mobile computers and thin clients.
I wonder if there's anything it would be good for today.
DR-DOS) in 1997, they had the intention of using GEM as a platform for
mobile computers and thin clients.
Might have been plausible if they'd really hacked on it hard for a number of years and with a lot of foresight... but Android and iOS have that sewn up right now... and with that DOS kernel, you really have to wonder how well it would have worked...
geos was also set to fill this gap and failed.
I think it's just nostalgia at this point. Kind of like all those people who still want to petition IBM to release the source code to OS/2's WorkPlace Shell so that it can become The Next Great Desktop (tm).
And now the GNOME and KDE people are fighting over who gets to use the words "System Settings" in their desktop. Personally I think that this isn't actually happening, but instead, secret agents from Slashdot have infiltrated both camps in order to stoke the flame wars.