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[#] Sun Nov 14 2010 05:41:50 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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yep, sounds like a step into a different direction; though GL-rendering seems to be the way to go, since even 'droids do it... maybe thats a new way to briing mobile linux and desktop linux closer together again...

Cirrus has been porting xscoar from wince to linux, and is now doing it with a java frontent that forwards the GL rendering...

first renders on on android can already be watched:

http://www.androidblip.com/android-apps/xcsoar-62760.html

(its a glider navigation software)

 

maybe some time in the not to distant future one can scrap the java frontend for the c-code then.



[#] Sun Nov 14 2010 20:16:58 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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hadn't heard any of that, but not being able to remote X-ly kinda sucks. I had rather gotten to like that. Although I realize now I really had rather gotten to like xvnc which is really how I did things remotely, so as long as I can waylandvnc I guess I don't care too much.

I'm not sure that switching away from gnome as default is such a bright idea though.
Part of me doesn't like gnome because it feels very python/perl-ey to me and only works because machines are so fast nowadays that I don't notice the inner suck.
But from a more practical point of view: let's face it, few people switch from the ubuntu (or anything else for that matter) defaults because the effect of doing so is that you will forever have to keep customizing shit every time you upgrade/reinstall. Or if you install on a new machine or use somebody else's machine you have to use two environments. It's always easier just to stick with the defults, and linux newbies will do just that.
The problem then is that any recent newbies or any not-super technical linux users who chose ubuntu because it's the way to go for newbies might be unpleasantly surprised to have to deal with the same massive-ui changing shit MS has been doing to everybody for years.
I'm speaking from ignorance, I assume that they're not going to be able to duplicate the gnome environment.

[#] Sun Nov 14 2010 20:44:53 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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They're not switching away from GNOME. They're switching away from the GNOME Shell. The environment will still use all the same libraries and most of the same applications.

[#] Mon Nov 15 2010 00:00:38 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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ahhh, well I guess I'll wait and see before I complain heavily. :-)

[#] Mon Nov 15 2010 06:13:42 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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does firefox have a native backend to that?

I heard they were doing opengl rendering on windows already and IE9 is trying to use hardware acceleration too...

I realy think firefox/chrome are what dictates the direction to go... and the availability of flash still is a basic requirement for any browser these days (youtube..)

until thats the case, i'd call it half baked...

otoh, once firefox starts to move into that direction, x11fox is definitely going to suffer.



[#] Mon Nov 15 2010 13:46:14 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The people from Ubuntu and Fedora are both saying that we're probably a year away from having something production-quality in place. There's definitely some work to be done. Existing toolkits such as GTK and Qt need to have reliable Wayland backends implemented (Qt is further along at this point).

Since Firefox on Linux is a GTK application, Firefox will come along for the ride automatically. I don't know what obstacles are involved (if any) with using X11 plugins on a Wayland browser.

[#] Mon Nov 15 2010 14:05:40 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Mo Nov 15 2010 13:46:14 EST von IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Since Firefox on Linux is a GTK application, Firefox will come along for the ride automatically. I don't know what obstacles are involved (if any) with using X11 plugins on a Wayland browser.

performance? Rendering 's gotta be fast. browser is _the_ main application these days..

and, there are rumors that nvidia for example won't support wayland for a while now.



[#] Fri Nov 19 2010 11:30:28 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html

works like a charm.

top - 17:30:09 up 60 days, 10:18, 24 users,  load average: 65.70, 62.10, 38.18
Tasks: 610 total,  65 running, 542 sleeping,   2 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s): 88.0%us,  8.8%sy,  0.0%ni,  0.0%id,  0.0%wa,  3.2%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Mem:   3696004k total,  3582516k used,   113488k free,   116460k buffers
Swap:  1847432k total,   318904k used,  1528528k free,  1406600k cached

and still a verry responsive iceweasel.



[#] Fri Nov 19 2010 12:22:27 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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but what does it do?

[#] Fri Nov 19 2010 17:30:43 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Dunno about this one, but the "200 lines patch" to which it is supposedly an alternative, is something that was released earlier this week -- a patch to the Linux kernel scheduler that keeps interactive performance of the machine running somewhat smooth even when it is heavily loaded.

[#] Sat Nov 20 2010 16:42:46 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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week -- a patch to the Linux kernel scheduler that keeps interactive
performance of the machine running somewhat smooth even when it is
heavily loaded.

that'd be nice.
Windows for all of its faults, you have to do something pretty bad to, to make the mouse stop moving.
It annoys the shit out of me when the mouse pointer doesn't move, even if I can't click anything.
That would be a nice fix.

[#] Sun Nov 21 2010 08:33:38 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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it uses the controll groups (like the patch)  to group processes by tty (aka shell they run in)

so if you start a cpu intense application spawned in a bunch of processes, the scheduler will rather calculate the group as one item next to your firefox process (or whatever) then putting each of these processes next to firefox; by that your box will remain as responsive as if you would just run one cpu intnse process.

best sample use: make -j64

-> all your available cpu time will go into compiling, but the box will remain responsive as if it doesn't compile. no dia-show.



[#] Mon Nov 22 2010 09:56:04 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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[#] Mon Nov 22 2010 10:13:49 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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This part of the deal should scare the hell out of everyone:

"At the same time, Novell announced it would sell certain intellectual property assets to CPTN Holdings LLC, a consortium of technology companies organized by Microsoft Corporation, for $450 million in cash, which cash payment is reflected in the merger consideration to be paid by Attachmate Corporation."

The other shoe has dropped. SCO was a patsy in this game. The long, drawn-out lawsuit proved in a court of law that it was Novell, not SCO, who owned the Unix copyrights.

And now Microsoft owns them.

[#] Mon Nov 22 2010 13:33:42 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Hey, look at that. I just discovered that one of my childhood friends is a Samba developer. He is employed at Novell and was making some noise about the acquisition.

[#] Mon Nov 22 2010 13:43:17 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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yea, that part of the deal is pretty scary. fail :(



[#] Mon Nov 22 2010 14:04:13 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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According to the SEC 8K which was just filed [http://goo.gl/YDkO6] the intellectual property in question consists of "882 patents".

[#] Mon Nov 22 2010 19:03:18 EST from Sig @ Uncensored

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Playing with Ubuntu on my desktop now; the netbook edition has been running on my Asus 1005HA for about 5 or 6 weeks now, with only occasional reboots to WinXP (when I need to connect to Outlook Web Access with a CAC for work, usually).

Even with the suprememly mediocre response on my netbook, I was pleased.
It right flies on my desktop, which is a few years old now. If I were just doing producting things on it, I could see it becoming my primary desktop environment.

[#] Tue Nov 23 2010 09:31:40 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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question of the day: is android posix compliant?

[#] Tue Nov 23 2010 12:09:03 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Not strictly posix. There are portions of it there but you can't count on the full API being there.

You might want to look at this little slideshow which is a nice description of the Android architecture - http://goo.gl/NWjVg

I wish I had the time to get into writing mobile apps. It looks like fun.

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