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[#] Wed Dec 07 2022 07:23:24 EST from Nurb432

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Didn't realize they could truly black list servers. i thought it was just a 'down vote' so to speak, so no one saw you in any official index, but you still existed. But, i guess that does not surprise me.

So 'federated', but only to a point.



[#] Wed Dec 07 2022 09:51:43 EST from fandarel

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So 'federated', but only to a point.

Precisely. I've been in and out of it for several years. The federation was mostly holding together until people started bailing on twitter and spinning up new instances by the hundreds. They are simply migrating the bullshit, censorship, and divisiveness from twitter to mastodon. In a way, the design expected this sort of thing to happen, with the intent that people of a certain flavour would congregate on particular instances, and the code provides the ability to block instance A from federating with instance B. What I'm seeing more and more, though, is instance A doesn't like instance B, tells instances C-ZZZ and they all defederate B. Have a look at the hashtag #Fediblock to see what I'm talking about.
So my suspicion is that we'll end up with islands, some big and some small, that end up being echo chambers, just like twitter. Nobody can stand to see an opinion other than their own, there is no reasonable discourse or agree to disagree, just block block block.
The only sane thing to do is to not take the whole thing at all seriously.

[#] Wed Dec 07 2022 10:26:52 EST from zelgomer

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So my suspicion is that we'll end up with islands, some big and some

small, that end up being echo chambers, just like twitter. Nobody can

stand to see an opinion other than their own, there is no reasonable
discourse or agree to disagree, just block block block.
The only sane thing to do is to not take the whole thing at all
seriously.



I don't give a shit about Twitter (or whatever Mastadon is), and neither should you, but here's the problem: regardless of what you and I think, they do have audiences. So these platforms are political weapons because they provide direct communication from public figures to zombie hordes. They are basically the politics version of a bot net.

So given that, I think that ending up with islands is probably the best possible outcome. I have no desire to follow or participate in a massive world-wide chat room, anyway. I prefer to interact with small, tightly-nit communities where people get to know and dislike me for my personal qualities rather than for what team I align with.

[#] Wed Dec 07 2022 12:38:04 EST from Nurb432

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Right, i dont personally care about most of them as a platform, however i do care about the effects they have on society, which like it or not, we have to deal with the fallout.

 

Wed Dec 07 2022 10:26:52 AM EST from zelgomer
I don't give a shit about Twitter (or whatever Mastadon is), and neither should you, 

 



[#] Wed Dec 07 2022 14:18:47 EST from darknetuser

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2022-12-02 11:19 from Nurb432
Bla bla bla 'apple is going to ban our app" bla bla whine whine whine

"gonna make my own phone!" whine whine whine bla bla bla

 

So you make a responsive web page and dont need an app.. runs
anywhere on anything..   Its 2022. its not that hard..  Native
apps are a form of lock-in unto themselves.  


I agreee, with some minor details to point out.

The first one is that lots of Twitter users don't know how to create a bookmark for their mobile browser, and won't bother checking Twitter if they can't do it with a swipe or similar easy gesture. Apps are great for getting these morons in because they give them just a big logo to tap. You have to be way more moronic than the average mobile user not to be able to use it - besides, people is used to everything being an app.

The second is that Apple would be positioning itself. The removal of the app is not as much a move to block Twitter but a way to take a political stance. Apple should now be regarded as The Enemy because it has identified as such.

[#] Wed Dec 07 2022 16:24:49 EST from LoanShark

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I've noticed that most of the people who believe that "no censorship"

and "nazi" are synonyms, are threatening to "move to Mastodon." Do

I've been saying the same thing. These people have no fucking clue.

They want moderation? Mastodon is decentralized. They're not going to find the moderation they're looking for.

There's nothing new under the sun, either. The whole idea is basically FIDONET dressed up in fancy clothing. No offense to IGnet.

[#] Wed Dec 07 2022 16:30:24 EST from LoanShark

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Basically the problem is that "I'm on Mastodon" doesn't have a well-defined meaning because you immediately have to get into this endless discussion about "which instance." There is no one Mastodon, so Mastodon is meaningless.

[#] Wed Dec 07 2022 17:03:47 EST from Nurb432

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I dont remember which site, or if it really worked, but on launch it offered to create a 'web shortcut' in your launcher for you.  Would be pretty brain dead to do that for the user.



[#] Wed Dec 07 2022 18:07:34 EST from darknetuser

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2022-12-07 17:03 from Nurb432
I dont remember which site, or if it really worked, but on launch it
offered to create a 'web shortcut' in your launcher for you.  Would
be pretty brain dead to do that for the user.


It sounds to me like a browser dependant functionality. Maybe I am wrong. If you can have a website create a bookmark automatically it could do the trick.

[#] Thu Dec 08 2022 14:12:19 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Specifically we're talking about the ActivityPub protocol (which is a draft W3C standard), not the Mastodon software itself. The comparison to FidoNet is apt, and that's what I'm hoping for. I simply want Citadel (and Uncensored) to play in a wider world.

A little wandering around the web confirms what Kitty said: the core Mastodon developers are censor-happy commies who seem to want decentralized servers but centralized censorship. Doesn't that completely miss the point?

I expect we'll see ActivityPub go the same way as FidoNet and IRC did during their peaks: multiple networks with different cultures (such as Fido "othernet" zones). However, unlike FidoNet there is no central node numbering authority, so it's even easier to be part of "more than one network".

In the future when Citadel supports ActivityPub there's obviously no way I will subscribe to any fediblock lists.
I expect Uncensored will quickly end up *on* that list, since the name itself is provocative and when the Mastodon devs take one look at it they will see that we are "nazis". We'll supply some of the energy to help break the fediverse free of their censorship.

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