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[#] Sat Jan 16 2016 13:02:41 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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meanwhile there is gnuroot android, which boots a basic debian. In combination with the brazil term, its sort of useable ;-)



[#] Sat Apr 16 2016 18:07:12 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Hardware support in linux on mobile devices is basically depending on libhybris to be able to pull the android drivers over.

It seems that it is all windows 3.1 again on the driver side. They are crap, scarce and a linux has unbelievable pains to adapt to this situation.

Add to that the fact that new android devices are defecated onto the world like cockroaches on fertilizer, there is no chance to catch up. Ubuntu and Tizen do not seem to get a foot into the door, at least not in european and asian markets and sailfish almost drowned because of stupid choices in management and a "sudden" stop in the cash flow. See http://reviewjolla.blogspot.de/p/devices.html for a list of possible devices.



[#] Mon Apr 18 2016 15:31:04 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Well, I believe a lot of the display stuff is and will remain closed-source - such as the PowerVR controller that I understand to be widely integrated in Android devices. "Open" source ain't what it used to be.

[#] Sat May 21 2016 23:14:48 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Some short of Chromebook?

Chrome OS is supposedly going to be able to run Android apps soon, so it makes sense.

If you think about it, this would mean that the industry finally caught up to Sun's vision of "Network Computing" back in the late 1990's. Back then it didn't work because there wasn't enough connectivity, and their implementation required rewriting the entire universe in Java. Now here we are some 20 years later, the requisite high speed network is ubiquitous, and network computing is being built around platforms that actually have thriving software ecosystems built around them.

See, I was right, it was the correct way forward! :)

[#] Sun May 22 2016 11:00:13 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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It's happening because of tablets that were first implemented as scaled-up phones rather than scaled-down PCs; having a thin-client became *mandatory.* Sun was right about the destination, but wrong about how we would get there.

[#] Mon May 23 2016 11:36:33 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Oddly enough, tablets suck as scaled down PCs, at least the MS variety. They work rather fine as scaled up phones.

What escapes me is, why Apple only sales a 128gb iPad Pro. 128Gb is hardly enough for semi-pro usage. 256gb is the smallest SSD I build into the computers of my clients, and they all store their important data on the office NAS/server. For a truly mobile device, 512gb is the minimum.



[#] Mon May 23 2016 12:09:46 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Apple screwed up with the Pro.... No USB. No SD card reader. No convenient storage for the pen.

Windows 10 has overcome some of the problems with the laptop/tablet hybrid.

And the whole Android ecosphere is badly fragmented. Too many implementations and too many BAD ones at that.

[#] Mon May 23 2016 13:33:51 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Sun was right about the destination, but wrong
about how we would get there.

That's kind of what I was getting at. :)

If you think about it, that destination is kind of obvious. Anyone who's been in IT more than 25 years or so remembers how blissful things were when everyone had a terminal on their desk. The worst thing that could happen was that it broke, and the beginning and end of "deskside support" was sending someone up with a new terminal to replace the broken one.

(Yes, we had other problems then, but cat-herding a bunch of desktop computers was not one of them.)

Tablets were *not* first implemented as scaled-up phones. We had them as scaled-down PC's for nearly two decades. Nobody wanted them. Anyone who was forced to run "Pen Windows" spent more time wanting to stab someone with the pen than actually making good use of the computer. Tablet computers were actually Bill Gates' pet project for a very long time; he simply didn't have the vision to build one that was actually usable, and there were no good ones out there to copycat until Google and Apple showed Microsoft how it's done.

[#] Mon May 23 2016 14:09:15 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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actually usable, and there were no good ones out there to copycat until

Google and Apple showed Microsoft how it's done.



And they still don't get it right.....

[#] Mon May 23 2016 14:31:34 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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What escapes me is, why Apple only sales a 128gb iPad Pro. 128Gb is
hardly enough for semi-pro usage. 256gb is the smallest SSD I build
into the computers of my clients, and they all store their important
data on the office NAS/server. For a truly mobile device, 512gb is
the minimum.

The next version of iPhone is supposed to max out at 256G...it would not surprise me to see the iPads go along.

[#] Tue May 24 2016 06:28:23 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Mon May 23 2016 12:09:46 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored
Apple screwed up with the Pro.... No USB. No SD card reader. No convenient storage for the pen.

Windows 10 has overcome some of the problems with the laptop/tablet hybrid.

And the whole Android ecosphere is badly fragmented. Too many implementations and too many BAD ones at that.

Hm, I just read that they offer a 256gb version of the pro on the homepage. The shop I visited recently announced a maximum of 128gb.

Anyway, you can meanwhile attach usb storages that also have a lightning connector and you also have a lightning to sd card reader, at least for images from camera cards.

I can completely understand why they omit the internal sdxc card reader, they are only good for storing your music. Any advanced usage is a hassle and hassle has no intersecting set with their target audience.

Windows 10 still sucks, I recently set up a Surface Pro and we use an Acer tablet at work. They are gadgets that can't be conveniently used without mouse/keyboard.

And I agree with your views on Android.

 

 



[#] Tue May 24 2016 10:38:36 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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And I agree with your views on Android.

In general, however, people who buy mobile phones don't agree.

[ http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/3323017 ]

I know, inside the RDF "global market share doesn't matter" but in the real world, Android is now 84.1% of the market (up from 78.8% this time last year) and Apple is only 14.8% (down from 17.9% this time last year).


Apple fans love their iPhones, and that's fine, but Apple is becoming more and more of a minority player every year.

Now for some fun and amusing bits... Windows Phone is now 0.7% (down from 2.5% this time last year), reinforcing the idea that this is a market Microsoft continues to fail at and has absolutely no hope of getting a foothold. It's a complete failure and they really need to get out of that space entirely.

[#] Tue May 24 2016 10:51:08 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Meanwhile, there is only one manufacturer who is making money with Android - and that's Samsung. And even they're having issues. Apple is dominating financially.

I expect to see the numbers jump again at least here in the US.


Take a look at what all the college kids are using for phones and laptops these days.


[#] Tue May 24 2016 11:39:31 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Microsoft is making a *lot* of money with Android. Extortion rackets tend to be profitable.

[#] Tue May 24 2016 14:28:20 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Tue May 24 2016 10:38:36 EDTfrom IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
And I agree with your views on Android.

In general, however, people who buy mobile phones don't agree.

[ http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/3323017
Of course, because you need to buy a new crappy android phone every 18-24 month on average. Your old one broke (especially if it was a Samsung) or the OS is no longer supported. Apple's phones, tablets and computers are supported a little longer, the updates are free and readily available last a little longer. The image below shows you ios9 compatibilty, note that the Iphone 4S was released in oct 2011, the ipad2 in march 2011.
IOS9 compatibily chart
 
I see that the Nexus 5 from oct 2013 reveiced the Marshmallow update, Nexus 4 didn't. So there we are again with the 24 month cycle.
This is just one reason why I do not like android. For the record: My phone runs neither ios nor android natively, but Sailfish OS.
Apple fans love their iPhones, and that's fine, but Apple is becoming more and more of a minority player every year. 
 
 
Here it would make sense to look at actual usage statistics, instead of buying trends:
There is a statistic that claims Windows is still generating 48% of all website traffic, while Android "only" makes up for 28,5%. Whereas IOS comes in third with 11%. And 28,5% vs 11% don't match up with the 84% vs 15% from your aforementioned Gartner statistic.
Now for some fun and amusing bits... Windows Phone is now 0.7% (down from 2.5% this time last year), reinforcing the idea that this is a market Microsoft continues to fail at and has absolutely no hope of getting a foothold. It's a complete failure and they really need to get out of that space entirely. 
The same goes for the Linux on the desktop, according to abovementioned statcounter statistic: only 1,4% of all web traffic is linux kernel based (without android)


[#] Tue May 24 2016 14:55:01 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Tue May 24 2016 02:28:20 PM EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

 Of course, because you need to buy a new crappy android phone every 18-24 month on average. Your old one broke (especially if it was a Samsung) 

Is that because of the phone or because we live in a consumerist society?  I have had the Samsung S3 since about the time it came out.  Still works.  Hasn't had a software upgrade in over a year but still works.  So do the apps.

 

 

 



[#] Tue May 24 2016 16:55:25 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The same goes for the Linux on the desktop, according to
abovementioned statcounter statistic: only 1,4% of all web traffic is
linux kernel based (without android)

So there is statistically no client-side Linux, as long as you remove from consideration the variant that has billions of clients installed? That's a bit disingenuous. Android *is* Linux. That it isn't running X11 and a traditional window manager is immaterial. Someone (Google) figured out a way to make it more useful and it's selling like hotcakes.

[#] Tue May 24 2016 17:01:27 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Only one variant is really selling, and that's Samsung's, at least here in the US. The others don't give a damn about the ecosystem, it's more about pumping out cheap phones.

And the news is Samsung and Google are getting into more and more fights over the future of Android.

Should be interesting.

[#] Wed May 25 2016 07:15:34 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Samsung has absolutely zero hope of Tizen becoming a major player. If Microsoft couldn't break the Android/iOS hegemony, nobody can. Like it or not, the Android platform is ubiquitous. Apple's long term prospects for mobile are inevitably going to be the same as they are on the desktop: the <10% who want to pay more for the privilege of telling people they "think different." And that's fine, it's a great platform (I don't like it, but that's just personal taste) but there should be no delusions of grandeur here.

[#] Wed May 25 2016 10:32:13 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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There aren't. I use both. The problem with Android is the same problem that Linux in general has - balkanization. Right now, Android has a strong position because it's free and the handset folks run on thin margains. Now that subsidies are slowly going away for phones, I expect there to be an even greater change in the marketplace coming...... It should be interesting regardless.

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