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[#] Thu May 30 2019 19:00:55 EDT from jay1962 @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Email attachments corrupted

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Many thanks for the quick reply. Unfortunately I am looking for an easy way to use email with attachments. Citadel seemed like an ideal solution. If there is no straightforward fix, I will have to try another webmail approach or go back to using ClearOS with Thunderbird as a client. That means not using raspberry pi platforms which are very convenient for portable classroom use compared to laptops or small form-factor desktop boxes. I hope someone with the appropriate skills, definitely not me, will eventually resolve the attachment issue. Citadel development began in a different form in 1987 if my understanding is correct. Seems like 30+ years should be enough time to get attachments working. But maybe I am among only a few for whom attachments are a key component. Thank you again. 



[#] Fri May 31 2019 02:18:40 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Email attachments corrupted

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Attachments simply weren't a thing when Citadel originated on CP/M - all the way through the first versions of Citadel-UX. 

This is an entirely different beast - with just a historical attachment to the original Citadel code. 

I ran a Cit 86 BBS in 1987. 

Anyhow... I suspect it is a permissions or setup issue - because it works for IG here - and I suspect it has to do with Raspbian defaults. I don't think it is so much a Citadel issue as a Linux issue - and someone who really knows their way around Linux could probably fix it fairly easily. I've had family and friends in town staying over for two weeks now - but I have a Pi all ready to go with Raspbian and I'm going to install and set up Citadel with what I've learned and see if that fixes the problems I've encountered. I intend to make a setup doc. That may solve our problem - but it is about two weeks out at the earliest. 

 

Stay tuned. 

 



[#] Fri May 31 2019 09:04:31 EDT from jay1962 @ Uncensored

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I will definitely stay tuned. Citadel has a lot of very useful functionality. Fixing the attachment issue would make it near perfect for the uses I have in mind. Thank you again for putting this on your to-do list forp when you are ready.



[#] Sat Jun 01 2019 15:39:32 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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Today I'm having an interesting experience. I'm on a guest network at an AirB&B in Vegas, connected through a VPN. I'm not trying to mask my location so I'm using a local VPN connection - I can read and post - but when I Goto the next room, it returns a page that says simply "not found" in the upper left corner. Then I type in the BBS URL again, and I can go to the next room, but after reading and posting - it does the same thing. Makes going slow. 



[#] Sat Jun 01 2019 15:40:08 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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I am using Google DNS servers and have IPV6 turned off. 



[#] Sun Jun 02 2019 11:19:35 EDT from macarroni @ Uncensored

Subject: Citadel in Debian Systems

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Citadel in debian systems is seriously screwed up. I had to use easy install in current stable (debian 9.9) , but even easy install does not work for the current testing (debian 10). Any suggestions to install citadel in a debian system, or for that matter, any suggestions on a linux distribution that would work fine for citadel? The intention is to have a bare bones linux, with citadel server and not much more.

Thanks.



[#] Sun Jun 02 2019 23:44:23 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel in Debian Systems

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Are you using the Debian distro packages? 

Try the easy install - using my steps above for Raspbian, if not. 

I don't think it is Citadel - so much as the packages not being well maintained. 

 

Same thing seems to apply to Ubuntu. I gave that a shot, too... 

 



[#] Sun Jun 02 2019 23:46:34 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel in Debian Systems

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To me, this highlights a major issue for *nix from a developer's perspective. 

There are dozens of different distros and the official repos for each one aren't really developer supported - it is up to the distro team to make sure that the packages are the latest and greatest and best supported. 

Linux seems like a developer nightmare to me, when I think about it like this - especially when people show up wanting you to provide support for a distro that has a repo package that is far outdated. 

 

Seems like a lot of work, and if things are broken, the developer is likely to get all the blame. 

 



[#] Thu Jun 06 2019 19:21:22 EDT from c3rebro2 @ Uncensored

Subject: Issues updating from 8.24 to 925

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Hello together.

Iam ran into an issue when trying to update citadel.

 

I previously installed citadel on debian 8 "jessie" with "apt-get install citadel-suite". That worked fine for several months. I now tried to get rid of the poor security report from https://www.checktls.com/TestReceiver.

Appearantly 8.24 that i installed was compiled without openssl support (at least the cli-client which is from the same source claims so). so there seems to be no way to enable the starttls capability for Port 25 smtp or at least i didn't know how to enable it.

 

Thats the reason when i decided to give a try to update citadel.

First i tried to build the sources from scratch.

 

Unfortunately i got error messages when trying to run make:

Dependencies: gcc -M -I. -I ./include/  | sed -e 's!.o!.o /.o buildinfo!' > buildinfo
Compile: gcc -g -O2 -Wall -Wcast-qual -Wcast-align -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-strict-aliasing -D_REENTRANT -pthread -I ./include/ -I. -I ./include/ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DDIFF="/usr/bin/diff" -DPATCH="/usr/bin/patch" -c  -o buildinfo
LDFLAGS:

serv_extensions.o: In function `CtdlRegisterProtoHook':
/usr/src/citadel/serv_extensions.c:273: undefined reference to `FourHash'
msgbase.o: In function `FillMsgKeyLookupTable':
/usr/src/citadel/msgbase.c:103: undefined reference to `FourHash'
msgbase.o: In function `CtdlWriteObject':
/usr/src/citadel/msgbase.c:3632: undefined reference to `StrBufBase64Append'
modules/instmsg/serv_instmsg.o: In function `flush_individual_conversation':
/usr/src/citadel/modules/instmsg/serv_instmsg.c:441: undefined reference to `StrBufRFC2047encodeMessage'
modules/migrate/serv_migrate.o: In function `migr_xml_end':
/usr/src/citadel/modules/migrate/serv_migrate.c:801: undefined reference to `StrBufDecodeBase64To'
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
Makefile:134: recipe for target 'citserver' failed
make: *** [citserver] Error 1

Because i was not able to resolve these messages i went over to the "easy-install" script. That indeed did compiled successfully. However, the script was not able to run the setup procedure.

When i tried to run citserver 925 from the fresh build manually from /usr/local/citadel i was presented with the following:

citserver[1523]: Initializing configuration system
Your system is configured for LDAP authentication,
but you are running a server built without OpenLDAP support.

Lets stay honest: I have no clue if i need the update to enable starttls support on port 25 at all. So that might be the first question to answer before continuing...

 

Cheers

Steven

 



[#] Sat Jun 08 2019 01:55:05 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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This is why I hate Linux. 

You probably should have left it alone. How many hackers are targeting Citadel BBS mail servers for their bot nets? 


If I hadn't made an image I could recover from - I'd probably start over from scratch at this point, if I were you. 

 

But don't trust me. I'm a Windoze luzer. 

 



[#] Sat Jun 08 2019 16:39:59 EDT from pinkzebra @ Uncensored

Subject: Easy Install Instructions

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CentOS Linux 7 (Core) Kernel 4.15.18-15-pve on an x86_64

unprivileged lxc on proxmox

install ALL

after wget -q -O - http://easyinstall.citadel.org/install | sh

after entering yes

Unable to find a wget or curl command.   Citadel Easy Install cannot continue.   Citadel Easy Install is aborting.   The last few lines above this message may indicate what went wrong.   Linux RedHat 7.6.1810(Core 4.15.18-15-pve x86_64



[#] Sat Jun 08 2019 16:40:37 EDT from pinkzebra @ Uncensored

Subject: Easy Install Instructions

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CentOS Linux 7 (Core) Kernel 4.15.18-15-pve on an x86_64

unprivileged lxc on proxmox

install ALL

after wget -q -O - http://easyinstall.citadel.org/install | sh

after entering yes

Unable to find a wget or curl command.   Citadel Easy Install cannot continue.   Citadel Easy Install is aborting.   The last few lines above this message may indicate what went wrong.   Linux RedHat 7.6.1810(Core 4.15.18-15-pve x86_64



[#] Sat Jun 08 2019 18:14:39 EDT from c3rebro2 @ Uncensored

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Yeah - you're right. Maybe i should have left it alone.

I now reverted all changes (restored a full server backup after the -self modified- install scripts messed up the system with several changes).

The final solution currently looks really weird to me but seem to work:

 

- Network configuration: I re-mapped my msa port 587 to the mta port 25 in the wan to lan rules.

- In Citadel: i disabled the mta port 25 completely and changed the msa port to 25.

 

I have really no clue if this is how it is supposed to be. but: if i now send a mail to myself from e.g. gmail, gmx or company account i can see the starttls init procedure which was missing before. Iam really too lazy to switch to a postfix, dovecot and roundcube setup (including migration of gigs of mail data).



[#] Mon Jun 10 2019 10:17:08 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel in Debian Systems

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 Subject: Re: Citadel in Debian Systems

To me, this highlights a major issue for *nix from a developer's perspective. 

There are dozens of different distros and the official repos for each one aren't really developer supported - it is up to the distro team to make sure that the packages are the latest and greatest and best supported.

First of all, many thanks to you and everyone else for helping out with the support questions.  Seasoned users helping out new users is WONDERFUL to see.

Now, as for supporting Citadel on every possible Linux variant ... when it's available in your local repos, that is of course the easiest way to get it to run, but it's guaranteed to be a few versions out of date.  Easy Install is always the newest and freshest, but we have no way to guarantee that it'll run everywhere.  We try hard to keep things as generic as possible, and fix issues as we find them.  If you're building a server specifically to run Citadel, you're best off using Debian, because that's what we build it on.

Much effort has gone into getting rid of all the little configuration files and data files, and putting 100% of the writable state into the database.  We're almost there.  This is going to enable us to distribute Citadel as a container.  I need to learn more about containers, how they're built, updated, distributed, and installed by end users.  It would be great if you could just type something like "docker install citadel" and it'll just bring down what it needs.  That at least takes care of 64-bit x86 ... but we still need to take care of Raspberry Pi, where Citadel is surprisingly popular.



[#] Mon Jun 10 2019 15:06:41 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Is there a way I can set up the same RSS feeds you have here on my
Citadel to increase the content for my callers? Is there a document
or howto you can point me towards, and - how do I find out the info
for your specific RSS feeds... 

From the text client: create the room, then do ". Enter XML/RSS feed retrieval" <.EX> There you can add/change/remove any RSS feeds you want to pull into the room.

From WebCit it's in Edit Room --> Remote retrieval. Same thing, just pull in any RSS feeds you want.

And in case you didn't notice, any room can *be* an RSS feed. Get the link from the RSS symbol in the banner.

In the not too distant future I want to play around with doing this in both directions to achieve the same effect as the old room sharing network.

[#] Fri Jun 14 2019 00:32:21 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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So... I still have this other Pi I bought sitting under my desk and one night I'm going to get around to installing and screen-capping it and creating a "Raspberry Pi Raspian Citadel" install document expanding on the data from the messages above. The guy using CentOS above is having the same basic problem with CentOS that the Pi users are experiencing with Raspbian on the easy install - and that is dependencies that need to be installed before you execute the Easy Install - so a doc like that would probably be useful to more people than just Pi users. 

I just need to get some time. This weekend might be free. 

Thanks for the RSS feed assistance. That'll be a big help. The Sanitarium is kinda stalling out right now on content. I'm getting a ton of users - but none of them are posting... 

 


 



[#] Fri Jun 14 2019 04:27:50 EDT from MCP1766 @ Uncensored

Subject: How to get gmail message into citadel?

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Hello,

 

I'm fresh user of Citadel.  I wonder how to retrieve automatically my gmail emails into my Cotadel mailbox.  Also How can I sent message to gmail or hotmail user account ?

Thank.



[#] Fri Jun 14 2019 20:12:03 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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Ok. I've installed Citadel webclient on my second Pi using the instructions I posted above and it all went smooth - so that IS the way to do it. The text client SAYS it installs using easy-install - but it doesn't work. I haven't set up and configured that - and might do that as a second document (I'm not sure a lot of people are interested in that - it mostly appeals to diehard oldschool Citadel users, anyhow...) 

I've got screen-captures and will be doing a step-by-step guide that I'll publish here. Or maybe I'll post a link here and post it on my Citadel to get more traffic over there. Either way... I made a lot of progress tonight - now I just have to clean it up into a legible document. 

The only thing that I got hung up on in the document I made above is this: 

Easy Install requires a working build environment. This is installed by default on many Linux distributions. [But not Pi] Otherwise, to install a build environment use the following commands (as root):

apt-get update apt-get install build-essential curl g++ gettext shared-mime-info libssl-dev zlib1g-dev 


That was throwing up an error about apt-get update not running with parameters. Took me a few seconds to figure out what I had done wrong there. 

It should be: 

Easy Install requires a working build environment. This is installed by default on many Linux distributions. [But not Pi] Otherwise, to install a build environment use the following commands (as root):

apt-get update && apt-get install build-essential curl g++ gettext shared-mime-info libssl-dev zlib1g-dev

with "&&" operators between apt-get update and apt-get install. Anyone with Debian experience would figure that out - but if you're new to Pi, Linux and Raspbian, that could be a frustrating error in the original document I posted above. 

I'll fix that in the final version. 

 

 

 

 



[#] Fri Jun 14 2019 20:13:56 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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I've got a dinner to go to tonight, and I'll probably be coming home drunk - which means I'll probably be hung over tomorrow... so... I'll probably have something ready to publish by Sunday afternoon. :) 

 



[#] Fri Jun 14 2019 20:19:50 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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And, although this time I made an account "BBS" to run the Citadel under - I just downloaded an image, then uploaded it as an attachment on this second citadel - and got the same problem. It doesn't work... can't open it, and if I download it and try and open it locally, it is corrupted. 

So, I'm not sure why that works on Uncensored but not on the Citadels I'm configuring on Pi, but - something is broken... either Operator Error or bugs in the chickenscratch. 

 

 



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