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[#] Sat Jun 08 2019 18:14:39 EDT from c3rebro2 @ Uncensored

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Yeah - you're right. Maybe i should have left it alone.

I now reverted all changes (restored a full server backup after the -self modified- install scripts messed up the system with several changes).

The final solution currently looks really weird to me but seem to work:

 

- Network configuration: I re-mapped my msa port 587 to the mta port 25 in the wan to lan rules.

- In Citadel: i disabled the mta port 25 completely and changed the msa port to 25.

 

I have really no clue if this is how it is supposed to be. but: if i now send a mail to myself from e.g. gmail, gmx or company account i can see the starttls init procedure which was missing before. Iam really too lazy to switch to a postfix, dovecot and roundcube setup (including migration of gigs of mail data).



[#] Mon Jun 10 2019 10:17:08 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel in Debian Systems

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 Subject: Re: Citadel in Debian Systems

To me, this highlights a major issue for *nix from a developer's perspective. 

There are dozens of different distros and the official repos for each one aren't really developer supported - it is up to the distro team to make sure that the packages are the latest and greatest and best supported.

First of all, many thanks to you and everyone else for helping out with the support questions.  Seasoned users helping out new users is WONDERFUL to see.

Now, as for supporting Citadel on every possible Linux variant ... when it's available in your local repos, that is of course the easiest way to get it to run, but it's guaranteed to be a few versions out of date.  Easy Install is always the newest and freshest, but we have no way to guarantee that it'll run everywhere.  We try hard to keep things as generic as possible, and fix issues as we find them.  If you're building a server specifically to run Citadel, you're best off using Debian, because that's what we build it on.

Much effort has gone into getting rid of all the little configuration files and data files, and putting 100% of the writable state into the database.  We're almost there.  This is going to enable us to distribute Citadel as a container.  I need to learn more about containers, how they're built, updated, distributed, and installed by end users.  It would be great if you could just type something like "docker install citadel" and it'll just bring down what it needs.  That at least takes care of 64-bit x86 ... but we still need to take care of Raspberry Pi, where Citadel is surprisingly popular.



[#] Mon Jun 10 2019 15:06:41 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Is there a way I can set up the same RSS feeds you have here on my
Citadel to increase the content for my callers? Is there a document
or howto you can point me towards, and - how do I find out the info
for your specific RSS feeds... 

From the text client: create the room, then do ". Enter XML/RSS feed retrieval" <.EX> There you can add/change/remove any RSS feeds you want to pull into the room.

From WebCit it's in Edit Room --> Remote retrieval. Same thing, just pull in any RSS feeds you want.

And in case you didn't notice, any room can *be* an RSS feed. Get the link from the RSS symbol in the banner.

In the not too distant future I want to play around with doing this in both directions to achieve the same effect as the old room sharing network.

[#] Fri Jun 14 2019 00:32:21 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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So... I still have this other Pi I bought sitting under my desk and one night I'm going to get around to installing and screen-capping it and creating a "Raspberry Pi Raspian Citadel" install document expanding on the data from the messages above. The guy using CentOS above is having the same basic problem with CentOS that the Pi users are experiencing with Raspbian on the easy install - and that is dependencies that need to be installed before you execute the Easy Install - so a doc like that would probably be useful to more people than just Pi users. 

I just need to get some time. This weekend might be free. 

Thanks for the RSS feed assistance. That'll be a big help. The Sanitarium is kinda stalling out right now on content. I'm getting a ton of users - but none of them are posting... 

 


 



[#] Fri Jun 14 2019 04:27:50 EDT from MCP1766 @ Uncensored

Subject: How to get gmail message into citadel?

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Hello,

 

I'm fresh user of Citadel.  I wonder how to retrieve automatically my gmail emails into my Cotadel mailbox.  Also How can I sent message to gmail or hotmail user account ?

Thank.



[#] Fri Jun 14 2019 20:12:03 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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Ok. I've installed Citadel webclient on my second Pi using the instructions I posted above and it all went smooth - so that IS the way to do it. The text client SAYS it installs using easy-install - but it doesn't work. I haven't set up and configured that - and might do that as a second document (I'm not sure a lot of people are interested in that - it mostly appeals to diehard oldschool Citadel users, anyhow...) 

I've got screen-captures and will be doing a step-by-step guide that I'll publish here. Or maybe I'll post a link here and post it on my Citadel to get more traffic over there. Either way... I made a lot of progress tonight - now I just have to clean it up into a legible document. 

The only thing that I got hung up on in the document I made above is this: 

Easy Install requires a working build environment. This is installed by default on many Linux distributions. [But not Pi] Otherwise, to install a build environment use the following commands (as root):

apt-get update apt-get install build-essential curl g++ gettext shared-mime-info libssl-dev zlib1g-dev 


That was throwing up an error about apt-get update not running with parameters. Took me a few seconds to figure out what I had done wrong there. 

It should be: 

Easy Install requires a working build environment. This is installed by default on many Linux distributions. [But not Pi] Otherwise, to install a build environment use the following commands (as root):

apt-get update && apt-get install build-essential curl g++ gettext shared-mime-info libssl-dev zlib1g-dev

with "&&" operators between apt-get update and apt-get install. Anyone with Debian experience would figure that out - but if you're new to Pi, Linux and Raspbian, that could be a frustrating error in the original document I posted above. 

I'll fix that in the final version. 

 

 

 

 



[#] Fri Jun 14 2019 20:13:56 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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I've got a dinner to go to tonight, and I'll probably be coming home drunk - which means I'll probably be hung over tomorrow... so... I'll probably have something ready to publish by Sunday afternoon. :) 

 



[#] Fri Jun 14 2019 20:19:50 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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And, although this time I made an account "BBS" to run the Citadel under - I just downloaded an image, then uploaded it as an attachment on this second citadel - and got the same problem. It doesn't work... can't open it, and if I download it and try and open it locally, it is corrupted. 

So, I'm not sure why that works on Uncensored but not on the Citadels I'm configuring on Pi, but - something is broken... either Operator Error or bugs in the chickenscratch. 

 

 



[#] Sat Jun 15 2019 05:03:37 EDT from gll @ Uncensored

Subject: Defaulting to port 00 not 504 after a server reboot..

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Hello, been running Citadel for a few years and can't find an answer to this simple issue.  After restarting my server I have to run  '/usr/lib/citadel-server/setup' everytime, because Citadel is defaulting the webcit port to 00 rather than 504.  In 'etc/default/webcit' it contains 'export WEBCIT_CITADEL_PORT='504' but I think Citadel should be storing the port in the database when ececuting setup, but doesn't.  Anyone, by chance run into this issue?



[#] Sat Jun 15 2019 08:09:08 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Defaulting to port 00 not 504 after a server reboot..

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'/usr/lib/citadel-server/setup' everytime, because Citadel is
defaulting the webcit port to 00 rather than 504.  In
'etc/default/webcit' it contains 'export WEBCIT_CITADEL_PORT='504'

The fact that you have /etc/default/webcit indicates that you're using a .deb package, right?

This bug has been fixed upstream, but the fix hasn't made it into your packaging yet. You can work around it by connecting to the Citadel server over a local socket instead of TCP port 504. (I don't even remember where the .deb packages put citadel.socket ... it's probably in /var/run or something like that.)
Set your Citadel server host to "uds" and the IP address to the directory where citadel.socket lives, and you won't need the port number anymore.

[#] Sat Jun 15 2019 08:11:05 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: How to get gmail message into citadel?

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I'm fresh user of Citadel.  I wonder how to retrieve automatically
my gmail emails into my Cotadel mailbox.  Also How can I sent
message to gmail or hotmail user account ?

This is easy. Use the "remote retrieval" function to configure Citadel server to fetch a remote POP or IMAP account (in this case, gmail) into a Citadel room -- either your primary mailbox or another one.

On my account I keep a separate "gmail" room (folder) which is exclusively for stuff arriving in my gmail mailbox. For me that's mostly just noise coming from YouTube and other Google properties, since I use Citadel for email :)

[#] Sat Jun 15 2019 17:28:34 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

Subject: Citadel Setup for Raspbian on Raspberry Pi

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Here is my first draft of the Raspbian rPi setup document. It is in Microsoft .docx format. 

Please look it over and let me know if you see any errors or problems. 

I'll work on a Text Client setup document later. 

 



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[#] Sat Jun 15 2019 17:28:46 EDT from gll @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Defaulting to port 00 not 504 after a server reboot..

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Great thanks!   Installed it years ago, most likely used the deb but don't remember for sure.  I'll give your method a try.



[#] Sat Jun 15 2019 17:33:12 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel Setup for Raspbian on Raspberry Pi

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Sat Jun 15 2019 17:28:34 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored Subject: Citadel Setup for Raspbian on Raspberry Pi

Here is my first draft of the Raspbian rPi setup document. It is in Microsoft .docx format. 




Ig - I couldn't upload the file to the directory in this room - I don't have upload permissions. 

 



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[#] Sat Jun 15 2019 19:57:54 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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Somehow the version I uploaded didn't catch my edits that added my contact info. I'd prefer this version be archived, if you decide to add it as a permanent file in the file directory here. 

 



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