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[#] Mon Sep 17 2018 17:19:52 EDT from userT @ Uncensored

Subject: Connectors to email clients

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Are there plans to support again connectors allowing Citadel to be used with email clients such as Outlook and Thunderbird?

Or are those more of third-party projects?



[#] Mon Sep 17 2018 17:27:05 EDT from userT @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: XMPP server

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Tue Sep 11 2018 22:42:41 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: XMPP server
Actually it would be a mapping of IRC protocol to the existing Citadel internals.
Just like XMPP users can exchange messages with Citadel native clients, IRC would be added to that mix too.

I'm getting interested in trying this out, that is of course, if contributions or even contribution attempts are accepted by the project...
I'm taking that IRC would be preferred over XMPP after all.

Already began to read RFCs regarding IRC protocol, and took a look at the current XMPP server module, just for a start...
Uff... really lots of information!

If it was not bothering, may I ask for a bit of advise as for where to begin and how to warm up?

Thanks



[#] Tue Sep 18 2018 09:28:51 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: XMPP server

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I'm getting interested in trying this out, that is of course, if
contributions or even contribution attempts are accepted by the
project...
I'm taking that IRC would be preferred over XMPP after all.

Of course. The project is open to participation by anyone who's interested.
I'll add you to the Citadel Development room for further discussion.

And as you might expect, we're a meritocracy; if anyone feels offended by a lack of social justice in the project, shut the fuck up and go make me a sandwich.

[#] Tue Sep 18 2018 15:05:15 EDT from "tony" <tony@instaview.com> to Citadel Support <room_Citadel_Support@citadel.org>

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support]

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now that is a CoC i can get behind.


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Subject: Re: XMPP server

I'm getting interested in trying this out, that is of course, if
contributions or even contribution attempts are accepted by the
project...
I'm taking that IRC would be preferred over XMPP after all.

Of course. The project is open to participation by anyone who's interested.
I'll add you to the Citadel Development room for further discussion.

And as you might expect, we're a meritocracy; if anyone feels offended by
a lack of social justice in the project, shut the fuck up and go make me a
sandwich.
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[#] Tue Sep 18 2018 18:52:13 EDT from userT @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: XMPP server

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@ano:
If I may ask, what XMPP client(s) were you trying?

I just did a quick test with latest Citadel and latest Pidgin client in order to try recreating this issue:
http://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Citadel%20Support?start_reading_at=4338089#4338089
and succeeded.

For some reason I'm feeling your issue is related...

Anyway, I'll try reading again the XMPP RFCs, just in case...



[#] Wed Sep 19 2018 10:32:46 EDT from winzlo @ Uncensored

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Unless I missed something, Citadel already supports POP3/IMAP and CalDAV for use with any e-mail client such as Outlook. If you are looking for something as plug-and-play as choosing "Exchange Server", I'm afraid you're in the wrong camp for that one. :)

[#] Wed Sep 19 2018 13:14:09 EDT from userT @ Uncensored

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Yes, I'm realizing that was perhaps a dumb question...
Although I meant the lightning and synckolab connectors for Thunderbird for calendar and address book usage, connectors that are already long abandoned...



[#] Thu Sep 20 2018 16:02:58 EDT from scott @ Uncensored

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Quick inquiry:

 

Can a catchall account (*@domain.tld) be setup as an alias for a user account to receive all mail not for a specific user in the domain?

 

As it appears to function, all mail addresses to an invalid user is rejected automatically, but I would like to capture them into a catchall account.



[#] Mon Sep 24 2018 22:07:02 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Although I meant the lightning and synckolab connectors for
Thunderbird for calendar and address book usage, connectors that are
already long abandoned...

It's pretty clear that we can't count on anything Kolab-related anymore.
There was a lot of (ahem) collaboration between projects at one time, but that eventually went off the rails.

WebCit currently only supports DAV load/save of your entire calendar, which works but is a bit clumsy. Fear not, however: webcit-ng will support CalDAV.
Even in its current state I already have it working with Thunderbird+Lightning (very very frightening). CardDAV is on the roadmap too. Since webcit-ng is fundamentally a REST/DAV platform, implementation of CalDAV and CardDAV features is a lot easier than retro-hacking it into classic WebCit would have been.

[#] Mon Sep 24 2018 22:07:53 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: XMPP server

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If I may ask, what XMPP client(s) were you trying?

Good question. While developing the server I mostly tested with Pidgin, so if ano is testing with something else that will be an interesting thing to find out.

[#] Mon Sep 24 2018 22:08:31 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Can a catchall account (*@domain.tld) be setup as an alias for a user
account to receive all mail not for a specific user in the domain?

Citadel does not support catchall accounts.

[#] Tue Sep 25 2018 10:52:02 EDT from userT @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: XMPP server

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Mon Sep 24 2018 22:07:53 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: XMPP server
If I may ask, what XMPP client(s) were you trying?

Good question. While developing the server I mostly tested with Pidgin, so if ano is testing with something else that will be an interesting thing to find out.

I left some notes in the Development room regarding Pidgin and the XMPP server; I'm still trying to analyze whenever I can.
Don't know if you have had chance to check them as well...



[#] Tue Sep 25 2018 11:30:44 EDT from userT @ Uncensored

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Mon Sep 24 2018 22:07:02 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Although I meant the lightning and synckolab connectors for
Thunderbird for calendar and address book usage, connectors that are
already long abandoned...

It's pretty clear that we can't count on anything Kolab-related anymore.
There was a lot of (ahem) collaboration between projects at one time, but that eventually went off the rails.

WebCit currently only supports DAV load/save of your entire calendar, which works but is a bit clumsy. Fear not, however: webcit-ng will support CalDAV.
Even in its current state I already have it working with Thunderbird+Lightning (very very frightening). CardDAV is on the roadmap too. Since webcit-ng is fundamentally a REST/DAV platform, implementation of CalDAV and CardDAV features is a lot easier than retro-hacking it into classic WebCit would have been.

So synckolab is dead for good...

So if I understand correctly, Webcit-ng is working with CalDAV on Thunderbird in some "beta" tests with the Lightning addon -even if *very* outdated already-.
But, wouldn't CardDav need an addon or the like as well to work with the address books?
And, if I may ask, why is it being currently very "frightening"?

Do you think there could be plans to support MS Outlook client as well?
Though actually the very few times I use a client is Thunderbird as well, but just in case...

And, well, if I'm deviating too much, think we could move further discussion to the Lobby or Development rooms as well?
Just like the chat module, I'm interested in this new Webcit as well

Thanks



[#] Tue Sep 25 2018 11:32:16 EDT from userT @ Uncensored

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Ouch, and sorry for the many questions, I think I got slightly excited...



[#] Tue Sep 25 2018 11:33:36 EDT from userT @ Uncensored

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NO!! I meant News room above, not Lobby!

Heck, I need to relax and rest for a while...



[#] Tue Sep 25 2018 11:36:02 EDT from winzlo @ Uncensored

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The only way I can see to accomplish the catch-all is to use a hosting service such as GoDaddy to host your e-mail domain traffic, and set up aliases to direct your custom mail in those domains to the FQDN of your Citadel user's e-mail address, using the Catch-all option from within GoDaddy's control panel.
It's not free, so that's one negative behind that.
Having Citadel's SMTP rejection functions first check for a catch-all setting and alternate account would seem possible on its face, but under the hood, I imagine a ton of issues, especially around the message headers that [could] need to be revised [significantly] in order to allow for replies to go back out from said catch-all user.

FWIW, the suggestion I made above is how I handle my e-mail traffic, and it has been working well.

[#] Wed Sep 26 2018 10:30:09 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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So if I understand correctly, Webcit-ng is working with CalDAV on Thunderbird in some "beta" tests with the Lightning addon -even if *very* outdated already-.
But, wouldn't CardDav need an addon or the like as well to work with the address books?

CalDAV/CardDAV are the closest we've got to standard protocols, so that's what we're going to implement. If and when better options appear, we'll go with them too. The state of client software is a bit frustrating right now.

 

And, if I may ask, why is it being currently very "frightening"?

If you don't know why thunderbolts and lightning are very very frightening, you may need a cultural refresher... go back to 1975 and a night at the opera...

 

Do you think there could be plans to support MS Outlook client as well?
Though actually the very few times I use a client is Thunderbird as well, but just in case...

There are two possible ways to support Outlook (assuming that Microsoft isn't ever going to add support for the standard protocols) in the future.  One would be to add a Citadel backend to Openchange, which would let Outlook speak the Exchange RPC protocol to Openchange, and from there it would talk to Citadel.  But I'm not sure of the status of that project; the last commit was almost three years ago.

The other possibility is to find a way to speak ActiveSync protocol.  Newer versions of Outlook speak this protocol, as do all Android and iOS mobile devices.  It's a very complicated protocol and they have some patents guarding it, so this is a bit of a challenge.  There is an open source implementation called Z-Push which is based out of Germany and seems promising.  I started writing a Citadel backend for Z-Push some five or six years ago, and eventually stopped because it was a moving target at the time.  If they've stabilized things a bit, this would be a good effort to resume.  However, since Z-Push requires a "real" web server and PHP, it would certainly take the form of an external sync server, and not be part of WebCit itself.



[#] Wed Sep 26 2018 13:40:46 EDT from userT @ Uncensored

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So better just keep sticking to Thunderbird then.

 

Wed Sep 26 2018 10:30:09 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
 
And, if I may ask, why is it being currently very "frightening"?

If you don't know why thunderbolts and lightning are very very frightening, you may need a cultural refresher... go back to 1975 and a night at the opera...

 

Ah, so it was that... I really thought you meant a development ordeal, instead of the literal meaning of "lightning".



[#] Thu Sep 27 2018 03:23:50 EDT from ioio @ Uncensored

Subject: Intermediate certificate

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I'm installing SSL certificate keys to my citadel server and couldn't find a way to install the intermediate certificate. My CA told me, that I must install this certificate. Is there a way with the internal web server to install this key? Or do I have to configure citadel to use Apache, which I don't really want to use?



[#] Thu Sep 27 2018 03:25:41 EDT from ioio @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Intermediate certificate

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Oops, sorry... I'm in the wrong room... Didn't recognized it on my smartphone...



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