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[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 00:01:55 EST from rwolfe @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Error configuring citadel suite.

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2016-02-19 16:33 from jbb0906 @uncnsrd
Subject: Error configuring citadel suite.
I installed the suite on Ubuntu server 15.10 using apt-get. During
the configuration set up, I had one error

Under Ubuntu, you should build it using the EasyInstall script and not from packages. The only distro I was ever able to get distro-specific packaging to work was under Red Hat Enterprise 7.3, which is what I run my Citadel system under.

[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 00:03:21 EST from rwolfe @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: installation failure

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Would love to copy the last page here (or attach it) as requested but
I have not ever been able to figure out how to pass documents from a
guest to the host. (If anyone cares to point me to a method that
works I would be all ears!

Are you sure that you have the correct development libraries and headers installed on your system? If you are still having an issue, I would be happy to build a VM for you with a basic Cit system for you to configure yourself).

[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 09:43:40 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Citadel misplacing messages and more

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I got some pretty serious bugs right now in the latest version:

 

Messages sent to users are ending up in the Lobby, or other rooms, rather than the mailbox for the user.

The system is losing track of what the "Lobby" is supposed to be.  I have renamed it, but then Lobby showed back up. This is different behaviour from 9.01 where I renamed the lobby, but it remained the _BASEROOM_ for users under the new name, and works fine.

 

Citadel stops working just about every morning (not sure if it has to do with something in the housekeeping). I end up having to restart Citadel, and then sometimes even reboot the machine to get it to work again.

 

Webcit does not show inline attachments or indicate that they are there, nor an indicator on messages with files attached until you open the message.

 

 



[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 13:09:32 EST from rwolfe @ Uncensored

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HI all.


Having an issue with getting Pidgin to connect to my Citadel server at citadel.rivernet.us.
It wants to connect, but it never does, giving no error. I followed the example given on the FAQ, but for some reason I am still having an issue getting connected to my own server via XMPP.

[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 14:26:42 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored

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This is a guess, but it could have to do with the domain set. I do not remember if you need to use the fqdn or the short name. You can enable logging and check the logs.

Sun Feb 12 2017 13:09:32 EST from rwolfe @ Uncensored
HI all.


Having an issue with getting Pidgin to connect to my Citadel server at citadel.rivernet.us.
It wants to connect, but it never does, giving no error. I followed the example given on the FAQ, but for some reason I am still having an issue getting connected to my own server via XMPP.

 



[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 18:03:55 EST from schamess @ Uncensored

Subject: newbie question: install on hosted webserver without root access?

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Hello!  I'm a newbie and looking at the possibility of installing Citadel on a  VPS hosted by Dreamhost.  I've never used Citadel but it looks like it has the features we want for group collaboration.  My question is: can I install without root access?  I see on your Easy Install Instructions that I can start the process using wget but I just want to make sure I won't run into problems if I'm not logged in as root (which I can't do on Dreamhost).

Many thanks for your input, and for developing Citadel, which looks great!



[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 21:05:11 EST from schamess @ Uncensored

Subject: newbie question: install on hosted webserver without root access?

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Hello!  I'm a newbie and looking at the possibility of installing Citadel on a  VPS hosted by Dreamhost.  I've never used Citadel but it looks like it has the features we want for group collaboration.  My question is: can I install without root access?  I see on your Easy Install Instructions that I can start the process using wget but I just want to make sure I won't run into problems if I'm not logged in as root (which I can't do on Dreamhost).

Many thanks for your input, and for developing Citadel, which looks great!



[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 23:25:14 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel misplacing messages and more

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Bennabiy: thanks for describing your issues so clearly. I've copied your message to my desktop and we'll look at the issues one by one.

[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 23:26:58 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Under Ubuntu, you should build it using the EasyInstall script and not

from packages. The only distro I was ever able to get distro-specific

packaging to work was under Red Hat Enterprise 7.3, which is what I run

my Citadel system under.

What I'm starting to see here is that maybe we should provide some sort of way to move from the packages to Easy Install and vice versa.

[#] Mon Feb 13 2017 10:07:33 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel misplacing messages and more

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If you jump into the IRC channel, I am there, and can probably respond faster than checking back here every so often. (*or if you have another preferred method of communication*).

 

Thank you.

Sun Feb 12 2017 23:25:14 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Citadel misplacing messages and more
Bennabiy: thanks for describing your issues so clearly. I've copied your message to my desktop and we'll look at the issues one by one.

 



[#] Mon Feb 13 2017 10:14:25 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Error configuring citadel suite.

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There could be a way to have some file (maybe in /etc) where you could store the type of install done, and have a script which would do the migration from one to the other (could even be a simple Makefile with the locations for Easy Install and the major distro locations (Deb/Ubuntu, RHEL et all) I think the configs are pretty much in the same place on other distros as one of those (not saying for sure though, as I do not run Gentoo or Arch or ...) and a simple easy2apt , easy2yum or yum2easy , apt2easy etc.

 

 

Sun Feb 12 2017 23:26:58 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Error configuring citadel suite.
Under Ubuntu, you should build it using the EasyInstall script and not

from packages. The only distro I was ever able to get distro-specific

packaging to work was under Red Hat Enterprise 7.3, which is what I run

my Citadel system under.

What I'm starting to see here is that maybe we should provide some sort of way to move from the packages to Easy Install and vice versa.

 



[#] Tue Feb 14 2017 09:02:30 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Citserver stops responding

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I have a situation where the citserver stops responding to requests but does not deny connections (SSL/TLS handshake error in IMAP client, blank screen if nc localhost 504)

If I kill the process, the daemon restarts and then all is fine. It seems to happen every day or every other day in the morning. I cannot seem to get it to produce a log file of what is happening.



[#] Tue Feb 14 2017 09:53:10 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That's kind of odd, but if you can get a backtrace in gdb we can figure out where it's stuck.

[#] Tue Feb 14 2017 09:57:37 EST from hidifly @ Uncensored

Subject: Mass deleting spam messages

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I've had an issue where a user has been spamming other users with offensive emails. The user has been dealt with but now the system is full of these posts (in other users inboxes etc.) I would like to do some kind of mass delete. I haven't deleted the user yet since there may be a way to "remove user and all messages" function. But I'm not sure. What is the best way to handle that situation?



[#] Tue Feb 14 2017 10:47:35 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Mon Feb 13 2017 10:14:25 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Error configuring citadel suite.

There could be a way to have some file (maybe in /etc) where you could store the type of install done, and have a script which would do the migration from one to the other (could even be a simple Makefile with the locations for Easy Install and the major distro locations (Deb/Ubuntu, RHEL et all) I think the configs are pretty much in the same place on other distros as one of those (not saying for sure though, as I do not run Gentoo or Arch or ...) and a simple easy2apt , easy2yum or yum2easy , apt2easy etc.

Well, everything in /etc is considered a config file which can and probably will be manipulated by the owner of the system. /usr/share/ would be the proper location, imho. But the point of easy install is to have everything in /usr/local or some other place.

 

My idea would be: the "how I was installed" file should live where the db lives. And when you fire any migration script, it needs to know where the db is located anyway. And it should contain a "automatically generated, no trespassing!" note....

Also, for maintenablitly, it should be dist2easy and easy2dist. It is still maintenance hell, I once wrote a generic install script for Retroshare, with distro guessing, etc.



[#] Tue Feb 14 2017 11:28:02 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored

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How would you recommend starting citserver to try to capture it? It is not something I can duplicate except by waiting...

Tue Feb 14 2017 09:53:10 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Citserver stops responding
That's kind of odd, but if you can get a backtrace in gdb we can figure out where it's stuck.

 



[#] Tue Feb 14 2017 11:30:24 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored

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What about the system where someone did both, and has two instances running?

Tue Feb 14 2017 10:47:35 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Error configuring citadel suite.

 

Mon Feb 13 2017 10:14:25 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Error configuring citadel suite.

There could be a way to have some file (maybe in /etc) where you could store the type of install done, and have a script which would do the migration from one to the other (could even be a simple Makefile with the locations for Easy Install and the major distro locations (Deb/Ubuntu, RHEL et all) I think the configs are pretty much in the same place on other distros as one of those (not saying for sure though, as I do not run Gentoo or Arch or ...) and a simple easy2apt , easy2yum or yum2easy , apt2easy etc.

Well, everything in /etc is considered a config file which can and probably will be manipulated by the owner of the system. /usr/share/ would be the proper location, imho. But the point of easy install is to have everything in /usr/local or some other place.

 

My idea would be: the "how I was installed" file should live where the db lives. And when you fire any migration script, it needs to know where the db is located anyway. And it should contain a "automatically generated, no trespassing!" note....

Also, for maintenablitly, it should be dist2easy and easy2dist. It is still maintenance hell, I once wrote a generic install script for Retroshare, with distro guessing, etc.



 



[#] Tue Feb 14 2017 11:39:31 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Tue Feb 14 2017 11:30:24 ESTfrom bennabiy @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Error configuring citadel suite.

What about the system where someone did both, and has two instances running?

Those people do not need a nanny script.

We only need to care about what my psychologist friends call "differentiation in the lower competence stratum"...



[#] Tue Feb 14 2017 18:46:08 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Tue Feb 14 2017 11:28:02 AM EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Citserver stops responding

How would you recommend starting citserver to try to capture it? It is not something I can duplicate except by waiting...

Well, there are a couple of ways.  You can either start citserver from inside the debugger, or you can try to get a core dump.  If your problem is occurring on a predictable daily basis, you're probably better off starting with the debugger.  Stop citserver and then start it like this:

cd /usr/local/citadel

gdb ./citserver

(gdb) run

Citadel Server will run in the foreground.  When you have the problem where it gets stuck, press Ctrl-C.  You will get some diagnostics and a new gdb prompt.  At that point you have to get the stack traces for every thread:

(gdb) thread apply all bt

Most of your threads will be blocked on select() , those are idle threads.  If the server is truly stuck, there will be at least one thread doing something unusual.  Where it is will tell us what's stuck.



[#] Tue Feb 14 2017 18:52:55 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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My idea would be: the "how I was installed" file should live where the db lives. And when you fire any migration script, it needs to know where the db is located anyway. And it should contain a "automatically generated, no trespassing!" note....

Also, for maintenablitly, it should be dist2easy and easy2dist. It is still maintenance hell, I once wrote a generic install script for Retroshare, with distro guessing, etc.

To be honest, I don't have a lot of interest in going from Easy Install back to the distribution packages.  Once a site is running Easy Install, they've already satisfied the dependencies and have gotten their system into a state where they will always be able to pull down the latest-and-greatest version directly from the Citadel project.  Why would they ever go back?

What I'm thinking of doing is just adding some code to Easy Install that, if it doesn't find a Citadel installation in /usr/local/citadel, also looks for a Citadel installation in the FSSTND directories.  If it finds one, it can offer a prompt something like this:

Easy Install has found an existing Citadel installation in /var/lib/citadel.
Please select what you wish to do:
1) Move this data to /usr/local/citadel and run an Easy Install upgrade.
2) Copy this data to /usr/local/citadel and run an Easy Install upgrade.
3) Ignore this data and perform a new Citadel installation in /usr/local/citadel. 

We'll get the usual complaints from people who didn't RTFM and didn't take a backup, but those people can die in a car fire.



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