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[#] Tue Feb 07 2017 05:52:51 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: GOTO

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Regarding my last post, this is for a system script to delete a trouble folder for a user. (using nc citadel.host.name 504 )

 



[#] Wed Feb 08 2017 10:51:52 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Citadel lost _BASEROOM_

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[#] Wed Feb 08 2017 11:56:30 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel lost _BASEROOM_

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I created a folder called 1ToDo_Messages or something like that through thunderbird which shortly changed names to ages in my client, and in the edit room info.

Then I tried to delete that room and it told me I could not do that. Then I had the thought that the room was called somehow 00000000001.blah

 

After trying to rename and delete it, I somehow have no page for _BASEROOM_ anymore.

 

How can I fix this? My users only see a white Not found screen.

Wed Feb 08 2017 10:51:52 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored Subject: Citadel lost _BASEROOM_
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[#] Fri Feb 10 2017 09:06:14 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: support email not working

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Sat Feb 04 2017 20:00:16 EST from ura @ Uncensored Subject: support email not working

support email themgt@mail.ru  is not working - mail is returning. WTF with this project? Totally dead??? ebuilds dead, no any version info

Oh man, I never thought I would become such an grumpy old linux fart, but here we go:

Judging from your overall attitude and general error resolving skills, I doubt that you should be using Gentoo as your distribution of choice. There are packages in Debian, maybe you should even try Ubuntu.

The Sunrise overlay is no longer actively maintained. If you want an example for a buggy and dead linux project, Sunrise basically is one of the best. It was a braindead zombie with locked-in syndrome on life support, even before they officially closed it. So yes, the ebuild from a third party overlay is outdated, as are possibly 99% of all those ebuilds around. Normal Gentoo stuff.

But there are bugs reports for the ebuilds on the official bugtracker bugs.gentoo.org, there is a #citadel irc channel on freenode and there is this page we are using right now. On all three of them, there is a guy called the_mgt hanging around.

You could have found out all of the above by using a search engine on the web and following a few links. You did nothing of that. And now you come here whining and ranting, what reaction do you actually expect? We germans have a proverb: "The way you shout into the woods, it shouts back".

 

If you still want your problems resolved, we can work something out, but you need to bring a different attitude.



[#] Fri Feb 10 2017 12:31:43 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I think we've got more than a few unmaintained or under-maintained packages out there for various operating system distributions. It seems a lot of the folks who make the loudest and rudest complaints are trying to use them.

It may make sense for us to reduce the number of different ways Citadel can be installed, in order to reduce the number of support paths we need to provide.

[#] Fri Feb 10 2017 14:21:22 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored

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I think that would probably allow for more troubleshooting to happen, knowing the install process better, rather than having to go through the trouble to figure out how the packages got installed, etc.

EasyInstall only has a few dependencies, and while it is a little bit slower than installed from a .deb say, it is more stable on the local machine because it was compiled for that environment. I vote for easy install!

Fri Feb 10 2017 12:31:43 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: support email not working

I think we've got more than a few unmaintained or under-maintained packages out there for various operating system distributions. It seems a lot of the folks who make the loudest and rudest complaints are trying to use them.

It may make sense for us to reduce the number of different ways Citadel can be installed, in order to reduce the number of support paths we need to provide.

 



[#] Sat Feb 11 2017 09:58:03 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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If you create a fool proof solution, nature just invents a better fool. No matter how easy you make EasyInstall.

Anyway, I will do more linux work in the future and I'll try to update the ebuilds soon.



[#] Sat Feb 11 2017 14:44:17 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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If you create a fool proof solution, nature just invents a better
fool. No matter how easy you make EasyInstall.

Yes. This. We have probably gone through hundreds of iterations of this cycle.

20 years ago, you had to download Citadel components as source tarballs, integrate things yourself, edit a bunch of text files, manually integrate webcit with your Apache server, etc.

Around the turn of the century we embarked on an effort to make Citadel easy to install -- "so easy, even an MCSE could do it" was our motto at the time.
And we got there. We got there a long time ago. The truth is, you will not find a messaging and collaboration platform whose installation is as smooth and trouble-free as Citadel. But there are always edge cases where someone has trouble. We look at those edge cases and try to find places where we can either eliminate their problem entirely, or at least have it generate meaningful diagnostics to suggest how to fix it, or where to look for help.

And every time we do so, it takes care of an entire stratum of potential users who then turn into happy Citadel users.

Inevitably, the next thing that happens is that we've opened up an entire *new* stratum of potential users below that, who have even more esoteric problems.
This has always been happening. It will continue to happen forever. It's turtles all the way down.

Unfortunately there will also always be people who simply refuse to read and understand the documentation before they embark on an installation. For these people I have no sympathy, and I hope they accidentally put their computer's power cord in their mouth and die of electrocution.

[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 00:00:18 EST from rwolfe @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel Virtual Appliance? (2012 version not found)

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2016-02-16 16:57 from nellson @uncnsrd
Subject: Citadel Virtual Appliance? (2012 version not found)
I found this searching for a multi-domain capable e-mail server in a
virtual appliance, but the link for downloading the virtual appliance
does not work. Is this still an option?

Nick, if you need one, I would be happy to put one together for you as a VirtualBox appliance (as that is how I run my Citadel system) and archive it up and put it up on my FTP server for you to grab.

[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 00:01:55 EST from rwolfe @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Error configuring citadel suite.

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2016-02-19 16:33 from jbb0906 @uncnsrd
Subject: Error configuring citadel suite.
I installed the suite on Ubuntu server 15.10 using apt-get. During
the configuration set up, I had one error

Under Ubuntu, you should build it using the EasyInstall script and not from packages. The only distro I was ever able to get distro-specific packaging to work was under Red Hat Enterprise 7.3, which is what I run my Citadel system under.

[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 00:03:21 EST from rwolfe @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: installation failure

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Would love to copy the last page here (or attach it) as requested but
I have not ever been able to figure out how to pass documents from a
guest to the host. (If anyone cares to point me to a method that
works I would be all ears!

Are you sure that you have the correct development libraries and headers installed on your system? If you are still having an issue, I would be happy to build a VM for you with a basic Cit system for you to configure yourself).

[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 09:43:40 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Citadel misplacing messages and more

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I got some pretty serious bugs right now in the latest version:

 

Messages sent to users are ending up in the Lobby, or other rooms, rather than the mailbox for the user.

The system is losing track of what the "Lobby" is supposed to be.  I have renamed it, but then Lobby showed back up. This is different behaviour from 9.01 where I renamed the lobby, but it remained the _BASEROOM_ for users under the new name, and works fine.

 

Citadel stops working just about every morning (not sure if it has to do with something in the housekeeping). I end up having to restart Citadel, and then sometimes even reboot the machine to get it to work again.

 

Webcit does not show inline attachments or indicate that they are there, nor an indicator on messages with files attached until you open the message.

 

 



[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 13:09:32 EST from rwolfe @ Uncensored

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HI all.


Having an issue with getting Pidgin to connect to my Citadel server at citadel.rivernet.us.
It wants to connect, but it never does, giving no error. I followed the example given on the FAQ, but for some reason I am still having an issue getting connected to my own server via XMPP.

[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 14:26:42 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored

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This is a guess, but it could have to do with the domain set. I do not remember if you need to use the fqdn or the short name. You can enable logging and check the logs.

Sun Feb 12 2017 13:09:32 EST from rwolfe @ Uncensored
HI all.


Having an issue with getting Pidgin to connect to my Citadel server at citadel.rivernet.us.
It wants to connect, but it never does, giving no error. I followed the example given on the FAQ, but for some reason I am still having an issue getting connected to my own server via XMPP.

 



[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 18:03:55 EST from schamess @ Uncensored

Subject: newbie question: install on hosted webserver without root access?

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Hello!  I'm a newbie and looking at the possibility of installing Citadel on a  VPS hosted by Dreamhost.  I've never used Citadel but it looks like it has the features we want for group collaboration.  My question is: can I install without root access?  I see on your Easy Install Instructions that I can start the process using wget but I just want to make sure I won't run into problems if I'm not logged in as root (which I can't do on Dreamhost).

Many thanks for your input, and for developing Citadel, which looks great!



[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 21:05:11 EST from schamess @ Uncensored

Subject: newbie question: install on hosted webserver without root access?

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Hello!  I'm a newbie and looking at the possibility of installing Citadel on a  VPS hosted by Dreamhost.  I've never used Citadel but it looks like it has the features we want for group collaboration.  My question is: can I install without root access?  I see on your Easy Install Instructions that I can start the process using wget but I just want to make sure I won't run into problems if I'm not logged in as root (which I can't do on Dreamhost).

Many thanks for your input, and for developing Citadel, which looks great!



[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 23:25:14 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel misplacing messages and more

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Bennabiy: thanks for describing your issues so clearly. I've copied your message to my desktop and we'll look at the issues one by one.

[#] Sun Feb 12 2017 23:26:58 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Error configuring citadel suite.

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Under Ubuntu, you should build it using the EasyInstall script and not

from packages. The only distro I was ever able to get distro-specific

packaging to work was under Red Hat Enterprise 7.3, which is what I run

my Citadel system under.

What I'm starting to see here is that maybe we should provide some sort of way to move from the packages to Easy Install and vice versa.

[#] Mon Feb 13 2017 10:07:33 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel misplacing messages and more

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If you jump into the IRC channel, I am there, and can probably respond faster than checking back here every so often. (*or if you have another preferred method of communication*).

 

Thank you.

Sun Feb 12 2017 23:25:14 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Citadel misplacing messages and more
Bennabiy: thanks for describing your issues so clearly. I've copied your message to my desktop and we'll look at the issues one by one.

 



[#] Mon Feb 13 2017 10:14:25 EST from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Error configuring citadel suite.

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There could be a way to have some file (maybe in /etc) where you could store the type of install done, and have a script which would do the migration from one to the other (could even be a simple Makefile with the locations for Easy Install and the major distro locations (Deb/Ubuntu, RHEL et all) I think the configs are pretty much in the same place on other distros as one of those (not saying for sure though, as I do not run Gentoo or Arch or ...) and a simple easy2apt , easy2yum or yum2easy , apt2easy etc.

 

 

Sun Feb 12 2017 23:26:58 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Error configuring citadel suite.
Under Ubuntu, you should build it using the EasyInstall script and not

from packages. The only distro I was ever able to get distro-specific

packaging to work was under Red Hat Enterprise 7.3, which is what I run

my Citadel system under.

What I'm starting to see here is that maybe we should provide some sort of way to move from the packages to Easy Install and vice versa.

 



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