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[#] Sat Aug 31 2013 07:12:07 EDT from Bouke J. Henstra @ Uncensored

Subject: Question: recreate user

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Hello,

I hope that I am at the right room and that you are willing to help me out.

I just installed Citadel on a Linux VPS running Debian 7.1 (clean install). Everything works. Now I ran into the following problem.

I created user bouke and later I removed this user. Now I recreated this user again and I now I am unable to send e-mail messages. So... somehow I messed something up.

Other user accounts work without no issues.

Thanks in advance for your help. It would be appreciated.

Bouke



[#] Sat Aug 31 2013 07:18:08 EDT from bouke @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Question: recreate user

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Sat Aug 31 2013 07:12:07 EDT from Bouke J. Henstra @ Uncensored Subject: Question: recreate user
Other user accounts work without no issues.

Sorry for my bad English... Other accounts just work fine ;-)



[#] Sat Aug 31 2013 07:36:59 EDT from Bouke J. Henstra @ Uncensored

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This is the error message (Outlook 2003):

Van:     Systeembeheerder 
Verzonden:    zaterdag 31 augustus 2013 13:36
Aan:    Bouke J. Henstra
Onderwerp:    Onbezorgbaar: Nog een test vanaf altweb.nl

Your message has not been sent due to errors in the addresses listed below.  Please fix the addresses or remove them and resend the mail.

    Subject: Nog een test vanaf altweb.nl
    Sent: zaterdag 31 augustus 2013 13:36

250 RCPT ok <bouke@altweb.nl>



[#] Sat Aug 31 2013 07:51:46 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Thunderbird config with Citadel

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Fri Aug 30 2013 08:55:50 EDT from Brett @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Thunderbird config with Citadel

 
Aug 30 08:46:24 server citserver[2077]: Session (IMAP) started from ***.***.***.*** (***.***.***.***).
Aug 30 08:46:25 server citserver[2077]: SSL_accept failed: retval=0, errval=1, err=error:00000001:lib(0):func(0):reason(1)
Aug 30 08:46:25 server citserver[2077]: IMAPCC[24] client disconnected: ending session.

Any idea what this means?

Thanks again.

If I get this correctly, you're trying to connect to an ssl port without ssl.

like, trying to talk plain imap (or with STARTTLS) on port 993 - on which you immediately have to start encryption - choose ssl instead of starttls.



[#] Sat Aug 31 2013 07:58:28 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Sat Aug 31 2013 07:36:59 EDT from Bouke J. Henstra @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Question: recreate user

This is the error message (Outlook 2003):

Van:     Systeembeheerder 
Verzonden:    zaterdag 31 augustus 2013 13:36
Aan:    Bouke J. Henstra
Onderwerp:    Onbezorgbaar: Nog een test vanaf altweb.nl

Your message has not been sent due to errors in the addresses listed below.  Please fix the addresses or remove them and resend the mail.

    Subject: Nog een test vanaf altweb.nl
    Sent: zaterdag 31 augustus 2013 13:36

250 RCPT ok <bouke@altweb.nl>

hm, usualy 250 means everything is right... so its not the real error.

you have to know, that deleting an account just disables it, waiting for the nightly cleanup to remove it and all its data.

you can however trigger that removal to happen immediately by issuing

sendcommand tdap

on the commandline.

maybe

sendcommand IGAB

also may fix this issue.



[#] Sat Aug 31 2013 08:05:54 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Has "citmail" changed?

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Thu Aug 29 2013 21:40:13 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II Subject: Re: Has "citmail" changed?

 

Thu Aug 29 2013 01:09:44 PM EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Has "citmail" changed?

yes, citmail changed - but afair thats been a while; its been switched from using citadel protocol to simply talking smtp via the lmtp unix domain socket.

in general you could use msmtp for that purpose - its more sophisticated with special options then the very simple citmail.

does

sendcommand qdir freakdog give you usefull replies?

I guess adding a domain name could resolve the problem.

Tue Aug 27 2013 08:55:50 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II Subject: Has "citmail" changed?

< RCPT To: freakdog
> 550 No recipients specified.
< DATA
> 503 Need RCPT command first.
citmail: DATA command failed
citmail: error #6 occurred while sending mail.
Please check your Citadel configuration.
< QUIT
> 221 Goodbye...

Since I'm using the -t and it shows the recipient, which just happens to be my login name, and as this worked prior to the upgrade from 8.16 to 8.20, I'm at a loss.



hm, error #6 is the failing data command. So you probably again get this error.

"No recipients specified" is issued by the validate recipients function, its debugging can be turned on with the 'messages' log facility; could you do this, and post the log output?

(btw, i'm not aware of a change in there in the recent versions...)



[#] Sat Aug 31 2013 08:09:03 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Anyone use 'larch' to copy imap folders to gmail?

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Fri Aug 30 2013 15:21:02 EDT from cbraxton @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Anyone use 'larch' to copy imap folders to gmail?

 

well, since this is not the larch support forum...

we need to know what it actualy does to citadel; it probably speaks imap? turn on imap debugging and find out on which part of the conversation it trips.

maybe even sniffing the connection could be a good thing to do:

http://citadel.org/doku.php/faq:mastering_your_os:net_sniff

 



Right, I should have mentioned that larch speaks imap. (I've used it before successfully on other mail systems.) I realize this forum is not for larch support, just wondered if maybe someone here had used it. The larch docs do warn that it does not work well with some imap servers, though citadel was not specifically mentioned.

How do you turn on imap debugging in citadel?

Since this is a one-time thing I guess I have to balance how much time it's going to take to figure out why larch isn't working versus just doing a manual copy through Thunderbird...



webcit has the 'Enable/Disable logging of the server components' menu, where you can enable imap logging.

however, a tcpdump is most probably more meaningfull in this situation.



[#] Sat Aug 31 2013 08:37:40 EDT from Bouke J. Henstra @ Uncensored

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Sat Aug 31 2013 07:36:59 EDT from Bouke J. Henstra @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Question: recreate user

This is the error message (Outlook 2003):

Van:     Systeembeheerder 
Verzonden:    zaterdag 31 augustus 2013 13:36
Aan:    Bouke J. Henstra
Onderwerp:    Onbezorgbaar: Nog een test vanaf altweb.nl

Your message has not been sent due to errors in the addresses listed below.  Please fix the addresses or remove them and resend the mail.

    Subject: Nog een test vanaf altweb.nl
    Sent: zaterdag 31 augustus 2013 13:36

250 RCPT ok <bouke@altweb.nl>

hm, usualy 250 means everything is right... so its not the real error.

you have to know, that deleting an account just disables it, waiting for the nightly cleanup to remove it and all its data.

you can however trigger that removal to happen immediately by issuing

sendcommand tdap

on the commandline.

maybe

sendcommand IGAB

also may fix this issue.



Thanks for your reply!

...I think I have found something. Now sending and receiving mail using Citadel's web user interface works ( :: thumbs up :: ).

What doesn't work is Outlook. I keep getting this error. I think I've got something not right in Outlook / Binary's Outlook Connector (4.1.23-16064 32-bit).

I am not yet sure what's wrong. Maybe I could test with Thunderbird to see if this works? Or do I have to look at settings of the SMTP server of Citadel.

I need to go now. I think I will look at this in a couple of hours. Suggestions are highly appreciated!



[#] Sat Aug 31 2013 08:57:32 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Sat Aug 31 2013 08:37:40 EDT from Bouke J. Henstra @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Question: recreate user

 

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Sat Aug 31 2013 07:36:59 EDT from Bouke J. Henstra @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Question: recreate user

This is the error message (Outlook 2003):

Van:     Systeembeheerder 
Verzonden:    zaterdag 31 augustus 2013 13:36
Aan:    Bouke J. Henstra
Onderwerp:    Onbezorgbaar: Nog een test vanaf altweb.nl

Your message has not been sent due to errors in the addresses listed below.  Please fix the addresses or remove them and resend the mail.

    Subject: Nog een test vanaf altweb.nl
    Sent: zaterdag 31 augustus 2013 13:36

250 RCPT ok <bouke@altweb.nl>

hm, usualy 250 means everything is right... so its not the real error.

you have to know, that deleting an account just disables it, waiting for the nightly cleanup to remove it and all its data.

you can however trigger that removal to happen immediately by issuing

sendcommand tdap

on the commandline.

maybe

sendcommand IGAB

also may fix this issue.



Thanks for your reply!

...I think I have found something. Now sending and receiving mail using Citadel's web user interface works ( :: thumbs up :: ).

What doesn't work is Outlook. I keep getting this error. I think I've got something not right in Outlook / Binary's Outlook Connector (4.1.23-16064 32-bit).

I am not yet sure what's wrong. Maybe I could test with Thunderbird to see if this works? Or do I have to look at settings of the SMTP server of Citadel.

I need to go now. I think I will look at this in a couple of hours. Suggestions are highly appreciated!



since it seems to be a hickup in the communication, a tcpdump could also be useful.

You could also try whether your uncensored account is able to send mails with outlook to other uncensored recipients (i.e. me...)



[#] Sat Aug 31 2013 09:11:54 EDT from cbraxton @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Anyone use 'larch' to copy imap folders to gmail?

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webcit has the 'Enable/Disable logging of the server components' menu, where you can enable imap logging.

however, a tcpdump is most probably more meaningfull in this situation.



 

What I wound up doing was looking at some other tools. There is imapcopy.pl which is part of imap-tools, but that would not even log into Citadel.

I wound up using imapcopy (binary) which was available in Debian repositories. Imapcopy is able to successfully log into Citadel and access/copy the mail folders. It's a little cumbersome to use since you have to specify each folder that is to be copied in the config file as there does not seem to be a "copy all" option. (I telnetted into Citadel imap to retrieve a folder list for the account, then copied and pasted the folder list into the imapcopy's config file.)  Also the separator used in the config file examples is "." -- this needs to be changed to "/" for Citadel.

So if anyone else needs to to this it looks like imapcopy (not imapcopy.pl) is the ticket.



[#] Sat Aug 31 2013 14:39:38 EDT from Bouke J. Henstra @ Uncensored

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Sat Aug 31 2013 08:57:32 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Question: recreate user

 

Sat Aug 31 2013 08:37:40 EDT from Bouke J. Henstra @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Question: recreate user

 

Sat Aug 31 2013 07:58:28 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Question: recreate user

 

Sat Aug 31 2013 07:36:59 EDT from Bouke J. Henstra @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Question: recreate user

This is the error message (Outlook 2003):

Van:     Systeembeheerder 
Verzonden:    zaterdag 31 augustus 2013 13:36
Aan:    Bouke J. Henstra
Onderwerp:    Onbezorgbaar: Nog een test vanaf altweb.nl

Your message has not been sent due to errors in the addresses listed below.  Please fix the addresses or remove them and resend the mail.

    Subject: Nog een test vanaf altweb.nl
    Sent: zaterdag 31 augustus 2013 13:36

250 RCPT ok <bouke@altweb.nl>

hm, usualy 250 means everything is right... so its not the real error.

you have to know, that deleting an account just disables it, waiting for the nightly cleanup to remove it and all its data.

you can however trigger that removal to happen immediately by issuing

sendcommand tdap

on the commandline.

maybe

sendcommand IGAB

also may fix this issue.



Thanks for your reply!

...I think I have found something. Now sending and receiving mail using Citadel's web user interface works ( :: thumbs up :: ).

What doesn't work is Outlook. I keep getting this error. I think I've got something not right in Outlook / Binary's Outlook Connector (4.1.23-16064 32-bit).

I am not yet sure what's wrong. Maybe I could test with Thunderbird to see if this works? Or do I have to look at settings of the SMTP server of Citadel.

I need to go now. I think I will look at this in a couple of hours. Suggestions are highly appreciated!



since it seems to be a hickup in the communication, a tcpdump could also be useful.

You could also try whether your uncensored account is able to send mails with outlook to other uncensored recipients (i.e. me...)



I did some tests:

1. I installed Mozilla Thunderbird 17.0.8 + Lightning 1.9.1 + SyncKolab 3.0.0. I am able to send and receive e-mails without any problems with this new setup.

2. I enabled logging for Binary Outlook Connector (4.1.23-16064 32-bit). It complains about "MAPI_E_NO_SUPPORT" and so on.

2013-08-31 19:49:04.732  0x00001BE0  BE_IMAP: BE_IMAP::DownloadMessage: DownloadMessageBody failed. 0x80040102 - MAPI_E_NO_SUPPORT
2013-08-31 19:49:38.815  0x00001BE0  BE_IMAP: CBackEnd::SendMessage SMTP Error: 250 RCPT ok <bouke@altweb.nl>

2013-08-31 19:49:52.595  0x00001BE0  CONPST32: CMAPIFolder::CopyMessages: 0x80040115 - MAPI_E_NETWORK_ERROR
2013-08-31 19:50:03.259  0x00001BDC  CONPST32: CMessage::OpenProperty: ulPropTag 0x1000001f - PR_BODY_W, Interface Requested: IID_IStream : 0x8004010f - MAPI_E_NOT_FOUND
2013-08-31 19:50:03.261  0x00001BDC  CONPST32: CMessage::OpenProperty: ulPropTag 0x10130102 - PR_HTML, Interface Requested: IID_IStream : 0x8004010f - MAPI_E_NOT_FOUND
2013-08-31 19:50:03.263  0x00001BDC  CONPST32: CMessage::OpenProperty: ulPropTag 0x1000001f - PR_BODY_W, Interface Requested: IID_IStream : 0x8004010f - MAPI_E_NOT_FOUND
2013-08-31 19:50:03.264  0x00001BDC  CONPST32: CMessage::OpenProperty: ulPropTag 0x10130102 - PR_HTML, Interface Requested: IID_IStream : 0x8004010f - MAPI_E_NOT_FOUND
2013-08-31 19:50:05.630  0x00001BE0  CONPST32: CMAPIFolder::CopyMessages: 0x80040115 - MAPI_E_NETWORK_ERROR
2013-08-31 19:50:07.222  0x00001BE0  BE_IMAP: CBackEnd::SendMessage SMTP Error: 250 RCPT ok <bouke.henstra@kpn.com>

I conclude that all is well with Citadel (Thunderbird is able to work without any glitches).

Could it be that Outlook 2003 is "to old" or that there's something wrong with my configuration of Binary OC?

Thanks for all the support!



[#] Sat Aug 31 2013 19:24:12 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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hm, these are all either bynari logs, or outlook (mapi) logs.

Since I'm neither a Bynari nor Microsoft employe, I don't know what they do mean.

However, if you provide a sniff of an imap and smtp sessions which trouble you, we may move forward; else I'd have to point you at their respective support staff.



[#] Sun Sep 01 2013 06:08:47 EDT from Bouke J. Henstra @ Uncensored

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Sat Aug 31 2013 19:24:12 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Question: recreate user

hm, these are all either bynari logs, or outlook (mapi) logs.

Since I'm neither a Bynari nor Microsoft employe, I don't know what they do mean.

However, if you provide a sniff of an imap and smtp sessions which trouble you, we may move forward; else I'd have to point you at their respective support staff.



I ran Wireshark and captured traffic between my notebook and my VPS while checking mail and sending a message. I hope this is enough data.

Thank you again for all the help and support!



wireshark-notebook-server-packets.pcapng (application/octet-stream, 28698 bytes) [ View | Download ]
[#] Sun Sep 01 2013 10:43:59 EDT from Felix Kre mann @ Uncensored

Subject: XMPP config

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Hello!

I just set up my Citadel on an raspberry pi.

But I wonder how to configure the Citadel XMPP Server? Every user is able to see every other logged in user in his contact list. This not not good for my purpose. How can I disable it?

Thanks, Felix



[#] Sun Sep 01 2013 11:44:48 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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hm, a good start, but just the client->server side of the conversation...

could you retry and capture both directions?



[#] Sun Sep 01 2013 14:24:00 EDT from Bouke J. Henstra @ Uncensored

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Sun Sep 01 2013 11:44:48 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Question: recreate user

hm, a good start, but just the client->server side of the conversation...

could you retry and capture both directions?



Oh no... I applied an incorrect filter (-.-)ZZZ...

Now I got ip.addr==192.168.1.192 and ip.addr==85.214.194.186 and that should be alright.

 



wireshark-bynari-citadel.pcapng (application/octet-stream, 2045 bytes) [ View | Download ]
[#] Sun Sep 01 2013 16:23:57 EDT from Brett @ Uncensored

Subject: Shrink / Compress Database?

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I've read the following documentation about database size and citadel:

http://www.citadel.org/doku.php/faq:systemadmin:disk_space

However, is it possible to force a shrinking of the database after deleting a significant amount of data, or am I stuck with it being that size?

 

Thanks!



[#] Sun Sep 01 2013 16:34:11 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Sun Sep 01 2013 16:23:57 EDT from Brett @ Uncensored Subject: Shrink / Compress Database?

I've read the following documentation about database size and citadel:

http://www.citadel.org/doku.php/faq:systemadmin:disk_space

However, is it possible to force a shrinking of the database after deleting a significant amount of data, or am I stuck with it being that size?

 

Thanks!



well, this takes some (down)time.

after running

sendcommand TDAP

to actually flush all removed data from the database files,

database_cleanup.sh

dumps and re-imports the database. so, you need space for the dumps (and a possible backup), but after the re-import of the realy existing payload, the database files should be smaller - the actual size of your data.

about downtime - SMTP is failure tolerant. Mails not delivered to you after failed connection attempts will be delivered to you in later delivery attempts - so don't be afraid of missing inbound mails.



[#] Sun Sep 01 2013 22:29:39 EDT from Brett @ Uncensored

Subject: Citadel Webcit Authentication

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When I attempt to log in to webcit from my browser, I'm getting a different login page--it is an HTTP authentication request now (pop-up box), rather than the standard citadel HTML login page that gives me the options for openID, google, etc on the side.

If I SSH into the server and forward port 2000 and 443, I can log in without an issue using the standard login page. What is going on here?

 

Thanks



[#] Mon Sep 02 2013 00:33:19 EDT from Brett @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel Webcit Authentication

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Sun Sep 01 2013 22:29:39 EDT from Brett @ Uncensored Subject: Citadel Webcit Authentication

When I attempt to log in to webcit from my browser, I'm getting a different login page--it is an HTTP authentication request now (pop-up box), rather than the standard citadel HTML login page that gives me the options for openID, google, etc on the side.

If I SSH into the server and forward port 2000 and 443, I can log in without an issue using the standard login page. What is going on here?

 

Thanks



....now it is also happening with SSH port forwarding. Really strange. Any ideas?



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