http://winbinder.org

WTF?

http://abf-snoop.herokuapp.com/recommend?body=winbinder.org

Reclaim the content you lost property rights on in those walled gardens:

http://reclaim.fm/

interesting page layout ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E0ot9iJm_k

Wrong room, but I could not resist the stairs comment.

using the c-pre processor to generate html:

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/cpre.html

.oO(???)

Where in the path statment, before or after the home bin location?

echo $PATH

Location matters.  First found is first run.

Remember, if you want to run a command under Unix (without descrepancy), you might want to say run from the current location i.e.:

./script

Sat Jan 05 2013 23:13:38 CET from zooer @ Uncensored

So why does one "blabla" work without the ".sh" but "yackity" does not work without the ".sh"?

remember, you're in unix here. filenames are what they are.

if you insist to call it blabla.sh, you have to call it as blabla.sh

if you want to call it blabbla, either name it that way or symlink it.

everything in your PATH environment variable is used to search for filenames.

I doubt there would be any legal problems... the code I used is based strongly off something written in an article in Dr. Dobbs.  I've only very lightly tweaked it to make it easier to use.

Even so, the code was written for use with the captioning company, not WinINSTALL (never did work with Installshield).  And even when I worked on WinINSTALL, we left VERITAS before they merged with Symantec, so I never wrote code that made it into Symantec's corporation.  I just wound up with some Symatec stock due to the stock I had in VERITAS.

Okay, well, I suppose I should write a first pass at a class for posix-based systems, and perhaps find out what doesn't work if people complain about stuff.  I should also read about how Boost figures out various environments, so I can make it so you include one header regardless of what operating system you're using.

Aaand, I guess, I should see if I have a linux VM somewhere as well, for testing.

Yeah... the approach I want to take involves slowly converting the code to work on both operating systems instead of being exclusive to Windows, then have some additional stuff built specific to Linux that addresses some of the OS-centric stuff that we want to 'simplify' for users (e.g. setting up networking, serial connections for certain applications, etc).  This effort alone could take a good while, especially when I still have to write code for new products and features, too.

It could take me a very long time to accomplish this, especially since I rely rather heavily on DirectShow for streaming audio/video.  I'll have to learn how to approach things the same way that VLC does for that stuff... and hope that the codecs in Linux are at least as good as the ones we use now.

I also have to navigate the whole licensing thing, since we don't want to release too much of our code to the public, out of concern for competition.  Personally, I don't think this ought to be as much of a concern (since this kind of technology doesn't really make a tremendous amount of money), but habits die hard sometimes.

In the end, I hope it's possible.  But if I wind up generating some interesting code that other folks could use in the process, then we're all the better for me trying.

I have attached my ntservice.h file.

This is actually a refinement from what I normally use at my job, in that it's a single header... I usually have much of the functions in a separate .cpp file that I pull in as an include.

Hopefully, this gives you an idea of where I'm going, at least in C++.

we do something like this:

#ifdef __WIN32__

#ifdef WINNT_SERVICE

int PASCAL
WinMain (HINSTANCE ThisInstance, HINSTANCE hPrevInstance, char *lpCmdLine,
     int nCmdShow)
{

the_real_main();
    return (0);
}

#else /* WIN32 Console Server */

int PASCAL
WinMain (HINSTANCE ThisInstance, HINSTANCE hPrevInstance, char *lpCmdLine,
     int nCmdShow)
{
    return the_real_main(...);
}

#endif

#else /* UNIX */

int
main (int argc, char* argv[])
{
    return the_real_main (argc, argv);
}

#endif

I guess that doesn't exactly all those hooks for windows services...

heres a signal handler from citserver:

static RETSIGTYPE signal_cleanup(int signum) {
    syslog(LOG_DEBUG, "Caught signal %d; shutting down.", signum);
    exit_signal = signum;
    server_shutting_down = 1;
}

maybe winelib already has something to offer for you that fulfills much of your needs?

having been in similar situations...

flipping technology with an existing team is probably not a that good idea. At least not without adding new persons to the game, which is also a thing which has to be done carefully. Paid education programs are also a way to produce motivation and show you care for them.

In general, i'd rather have a look at the way they work. Maybe some stuff is wrong there.

 - do they have automated tests? A lot of fear changing stuff comes from not being able to tell whether its going to be working still after the change.

 - do you have staging systems where you can test changes?

 - do you have SCM? if its MS Visual Sourcesafe or Clearcase, count this as "NO" Migrate to one of Mercurial or GIT

 - do they do right commit comments? if no, educate them about the importance.

 - do they use contineus integration tactics? Stuff like jenkins is nice.

 - do they do many repetive tasks by hand? make them get automated. this steals time and gives frustration.

 - do the developers also run the production + fix stuff in production which goes wrong? Do they directly communicate with customers? this makes workloads uncalculateable, separate this.

 - if you have meetings, do they end in endless discussions? Is it allways the same persons causing this? get them separated. fronts build up over years, you won't fix this.

While 'agile' is just a buzword, its got several tactics which are nice.

if you have frustration at hand, one way to solve that is to visualize progress in stuff like scrum meetings.

"perfection is the enemy of the good"- are they searching for perfection? find out a way to make them produce good solutions, perfect ones will never happen.

And... watching carefully for a little while before taking actions could also be a good thing ;-)

no. use a compiler and generate native code. Java interpreters are always clunky, regardless whether you name them see-carpet or whatever.

In doubt use a concept which generates intermediate c-code like vala.

has anyone found a jvm that is usable and not enormous? (as in you have to set aside huge amounts of ram for it)

fancy. A project that switched from see-carpet to java and groovy:

http://www.ephys.de/computer/debian_sportstracker.htm

http://www.saring.de/sportstracker/index.html

it wasn't about the bload, its been about the coding samples ;-P

hm, just learned the term "brogrammer" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brogrammer

I have to terminate my social life and stop talking about anything else than hacking.

hm, from the online samples, IGs gonna like using this in webcit:

https://github.com/emberjs/ember.js

Ontario Mega Finance Group!

s.b. wasted 12 Mio. US-Dollar  into xamarian.

Wed Jul 25 2012 11:14:05 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Lovely. I'm sure Miguel de Idiot has a Vista Phone in his pocket and is heaping praise upon its innovative and wonderful experience.

http://fossforce.com/2012/07/walled-garden-approach-work-microsoft/

I like his rant about them selling the Nokia Lumnia 900 (the top notch product) for 20$ which imho is next to we don't want to pay the costs for disposal of the unsold units.

Microsoft cutting the upgrade path to windows 8 was probably as good to windows 7 phones as the (to early) anouncement of the Apple Macintosh to the Apple Lisa.

btw, mdidiot is developing/trying to sell see-carpet for android and i-something, so you can easily port your app for the vista fon to them ;-)

I guess developing a toolkit to run objective c-code on android more easily sounds like a more clever business idea to me. Or... maybe transpile the java stuff to objective c.

remember xamarian introducing the java to see-carpet transpiler that can convert the whole android userland?

now you can test whether they were doing it right.

http://codeporting.com/blog/csharp-to-java-conversion/archive/2012/07/19/blog-migrating-csharp-out-and-ref-keyword-to-java-using-codeporting-csharp2java.html

neither is java nor c-carpet.

PHP?  Well, all bets are off then.

Tue Jun 12 2012 01:54:05 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Damn buncha pedants. Yes I'm talking about a variable within a single function that has a variable that toggles back and forth between 1 and 0.

And who said I'm working in C ? This is a PHP program.

Tue Jun 12 2012 16:47:51 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

you're posting in the programming room, not the scripting room ;-P

and the last time I did php, it hat $ in them.

you're posting in the programming room, not the scripting room ;-P

Mon Jun 11 2012 15:57:16 EDT from kc5tja @ Uncensored

It fails with languages that represent true
as all bits set too.

CORBA's representation is true only over the
wire. When unmarshalled, the proxy or stub
should normalize the value. When
marshalling, true values should be sent as 1,
and only 1.

If your IDL compiler doesn't ensure this,
then it's technically broken, and should have
a bug report filed against it.

the idl compiler doesn't have to be in the game here; since c doesn't specify a type for boolean, while corba does.

so if you call your corba stub with a value > 255 (and all 8 lower bits 0) the c-compilers "convert" the int to the byte and throw away wats not there.

spel, you're totaly right.

and there is a good reason for ΅true" == !0

most processor architectures know something expressed in assembler like this:

jnz <jump mark> or jz <jump mark>

-> Jump if (not) Zero; a register can be added in more modern processor architectures.

therefore: yes, its a good idea not to take IGs hack.

depending on the datatype you can even get more bad effects:

In corba, a boolean value is a byte value; while most c-compiler specific booleans are simply ints.

so if you true is above 255, it will suddenly become false in the corba layer.

yea, thats what happenes when you click codeproject links ;-)

fancily some proxies/dnses like it, some don't...

http://www.yacoset..com/Home/signs-that-you-re-a-good-programmer

A nice read.

I have not used EC2 yet, so hopefully someone else can chime in.  I have used Selenium, but not on an EC2 instance, so apart from adjusting for timeout issues, I have not had issues with Selenium and I have not had the FF instance die.

Thu Apr 26 2012 05:26:00 PM EDTfrom kc5tja @ Uncensored

(sorry -- for context, .rl or .ro in the Web Stuff> room to find my question concerning Firefox deaths on EC2, particularly when launched from Selenium 2.)

Well, long story short, Firefox 11 (launched by Selenium) is dying intermittently with a premature EOF, causing pain and suffering throughout the world. Or, at least, my office.

The same configuration as used in EC2 appears on my laptop, where I am so far unsuccessful in getting Firefox to die. I have to manually kill it to reproduce the symptoms as I'm seeing them in EC2.

I was hoping that someone here would be able to offer some advice on how to proceed with the debugging effort.

Thu Apr 26 2012 04:00:38 PM EDT from ax25

Scripted Selenium?  Adjust timeouts on the part where it is waiting on content?

Probably better to move this to programming room.  More folks in there that will probably have better answers.

Scripted Selenium?  Adjust timeouts on the part where it is waiting on content?

Fri Apr 20 2012 05:22:04 PM EDT from kc5tja

Anyone here familiar with acceptance testing using Capybara and Chromium browsers, particularly in an EC2 Ubuntu instance?

No, but it is a cute bugger for a rodent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capybara

Tue Mar 27 2012 16:24:48 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

Well, that's true. In C++, the only stack you'll get is if you're in a debugger... otherwise, you'll need the luck of the gods to help you track down an exception.

at least in linux, its not like that.

http://code.citadel.org/?p=citadel.git;a=blob;f=citadel/citserver.c;h=088b584e1107a751cc5b935f4e08c8c858ea5f58;hb=HEAD#l90

does a simple backtrace...

I am a fan of Python for quick what if proggies and have made some use of the ctypes module for extra added fun poking around in C libs:

http://docs.python.org/library/ctypes.html

You don't have to re-write C libraries, just use them from Python.

http://9gag.com/gag/33088

...

Sun Feb 12 2012 08:45:42 AM EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Aren't there other true-open-source ecommerce systems out there already? Surely you aren't the first to do that?

There are none that I could find that works specifically as an infusion for php-fusion 7.

I must have searched for at least 6 - 7 days to find one that worked.

I'm not the first to do it, which is the problem. The one that's available is severely out-dated and insecure. It would take me just as long to fix the old one as it would to build a better one. Any other ecommerce solutions for php-fusion are not free, nor open-source, and are sold through the author's website. I'm building one that is free, open-source, GNU/aGPL v3, etc.. standard infusion for php-fusion. Nobody has done one that works, is secure, is free, and complies to php-fusion's standards. until now... :)

-- 
http://skpacman.hopto.org

Wed Feb 08 2012 08:31:30 AM EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

I try not to create something unless I see a certain need for it, unless I'm just farting around (which I do occasionally to learn something).

Which is the precise reason I decided to make my own ecommerce system for PHP-Fusion, instead of attempting to integrate someone else's, or paying a huge fee just to use one that's built for my purpose.

I figure, I have (most of) the skills to do it myself, and I'm tired of people charging big money for it, so why not piss everyone off by making my own (which I will distribute for free) and actually use my own on my other sites?

-- 
http://skpacman.hopto.org

http://nathanmarz.com/blog/suffering-oriented-programming.html

the problem is just, if nobody feels the pain.

Sun Jan 29 2012 03:21:02 PM EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

os-comerce?

fleshmeat.org is your friend...

404

you mean freshmeat.net?

-- 
http://sdkproductions.hopto.org

os-comerce?

fleshmeat.org is your friend...

I'm looking for a PHP/MySql based shopping cart software that can be easily integrated into another CMS (like PHP-Fusion or Pixie)

Anyone have any suggestions?

-- 
http://sdkproductions.hopto.org

1801 - Joseph Marie Jacquard uses punch cards to instruct a loom to weave "hello, world" into a tapestry. Redditers of the time are not impressed due to the lack of tail call recursion, concurrency, or proper capitalization.

1842 - Ada Lovelace writes the first program. She is hampered in her efforts by the minor inconvenience that she doesn't have any actual computers to run her code. Enterprise architects will later relearn her techniques in order to program in UML.

1936 - Alan Turing invents every programming language that will ever be but is shanghaied by British Intelligence to be 007 before he can patent them.

1936 - Alonzo Church also invents every language that will ever be but does it better. His lambda calculus is ignored because it is insufficiently C-like. This criticism occurs in spite of the fact that C has not yet been invented.

1940s - Various "computers" are "programmed" using direct wiring and switches. Engineers do this in order to avoid the tabs vs spaces debate.

1957 - John Backus and IBM create FORTRAN. There's nothing funny about IBM or FORTRAN. It is a syntax error to write FORTRAN while not wearing a blue tie.

1958 - John McCarthy and Paul Graham invent LISP. Due to high costs caused by a post-war depletion of the strategic parentheses reserve LISP never becomes popular[1]. In spite of its lack of popularity, LISP (now "Lisp" or sometimes "Arc") remains an influential language in "key algorithmic techniques such as recursion and condescension"[2].

1959 - After losing a bet with L. Ron Hubbard, Grace Hopper and several other sadists invent the Capitalization Of Boilerplate Oriented Language (COBOL) . Years later, in a misguided and sexist retaliation against Adm. Hopper's COBOL work, Ruby conferences frequently feature misogynistic material.

1964 - John Kemeny and Thomas Kurtz create BASIC, an unstructured programming language for non-computer scientists.

1965 - Kemeny and Kurtz go to 1964.

1970 - Guy Steele and Gerald Sussman create Scheme. Their work leads to a series of "Lambda the Ultimate" papers culminating in "Lambda the Ultimate Kitchen Utensil." This paper becomes the basis for a long running, but ultimately unsuccessful run of late night infomercials. Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them.

1970 - Niklaus Wirth creates Pascal, a procedural language. Critics immediately denounce Pascal because it uses "x := x + y" syntax instead of the more familiar C-like "x = x + y". This criticism happens in spite of the fact that C has not yet been invented.

1972 - Dennis Ritchie invents a powerful gun that shoots both forward and backward simultaneously. Not satisfied with the number of deaths and permanent maimings from that invention he invents C and Unix.

1972 - Alain Colmerauer designs the logic language Prolog. His goal is to create a language with the intelligence of a two year old. He proves he has reached his goal by showing a Prolog session that says "No." to every query.

1973 - Robin Milner creates ML, a language based on the M&M type theory. ML begets SML which has a formally specified semantics. When asked for a formal semantics of the formal semantics Milner's head explodes. Other well known languages in the ML family include OCaml, F#, and Visual Basic.

1980 - Alan Kay creates Smalltalk and invents the term "object oriented." When asked what that means he replies, "Smalltalk programs are just objects." When asked what objects are made of he replies, "objects." When asked again he says "look, it's all objects all the way down. Until you reach turtles."

1983 - In honor of Ada Lovelace's ability to create programs that never ran, Jean Ichbiah and the US Department of Defense create the Ada programming language. In spite of the lack of evidence that any significant Ada program is ever completed historians believe Ada to be a successful public works project that keeps several thousand roving defense contractors out of gangs.

1983 - Bjarne Stroustrup bolts everything he's ever heard of onto C to create C++. The resulting language is so complex that programs must be sent to the future to be compiled by the Skynet artificial intelligence. Build times suffer. Skynet's motives for performing the service remain unclear but spokespeople from the future say "there is nothing to be concerned about, baby," in an Austrian accented monotones. There is some speculation that Skynet is nothing more than a pretentious buffer overrun.

1986 - Brad Cox and Tom Love create Objective-C, announcing "this language has all the memory safety of C combined with all the blazing speed of Smalltalk." Modern historians suspect the two were dyslexic.

1987 - Larry Wall falls asleep and hits Larry Wall's forehead on the keyboard. Upon waking Larry Wall decides that the string of characters on Larry Wall's monitor isn't random but an example program in a programming language that God wants His prophet, Larry Wall, to design. Perl is born.

1990 - A committee formed by Simon Peyton-Jones, Paul Hudak, Philip Wadler, Ashton Kutcher, and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals creates Haskell, a pure, non-strict, functional language. Haskell gets some resistance due to the complexity of using monads to control side effects. Wadler tries to appease critics by explaining that "a monad is a monoid in the category of endofunctors, what's the problem?"

1991 - Dutch programmer Guido van Rossum travels to Argentina for a mysterious operation. He returns with a large cranial scar, invents Python, is declared Dictator for Life by legions of followers, and announces to the world that "There Is Only One Way to Do It." Poland becomes nervous.

1995 - At a neighborhood Italian restaurant Rasmus Lerdorf realizes that his plate of spaghetti is an excellent model for understanding the World Wide Web and that web applications should mimic their medium. On the back of his napkin he designs Programmable Hyperlinked Pasta (PHP). PHP documentation remains on that napkin to this day.

1995 - Yukihiro "Mad Matz" Matsumoto creates Ruby to avert some vaguely unspecified apocalypse that will leave Australia a desert run by mohawked warriors and Tina Turner. The language is later renamed Ruby on Rails by its real inventor, David Heinemeier Hansson. [The bit about Matsumoto inventing a language called Ruby never happened and better be removed in the next revision of this article - DHH].

1995 - Brendan Eich reads up on every mistake ever made in designing a programming language, invents a few more, and creates LiveScript. Later, in an effort to cash in on the popularity of Java the language is renamed JavaScript. Later still, in an effort to cash in on the popularity of skin diseases the language is renamed ECMAScript.

1996 - James Gosling invents Java. Java is a relatively verbose, garbage collected, class based, statically typed, single dispatch, object oriented language with single implementation inheritance and multiple interface inheritance. Sun loudly heralds Java's novelty.

2001 - Anders Hejlsberg invents C#. C# is a relatively verbose, garbage collected, class based, statically typed, single dispatch, object oriented language with single implementation inheritance and multiple interface inheritance. Microsoft loudly heralds C#'s novelty.

2003 - A drunken Martin Odersky sees a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup ad featuring somebody's peanut butter getting on somebody else's chocolate and has an idea. He creates Scala, a language that unifies constructs from both object oriented and functional languages. This pisses off both groups and each promptly declares jihad.

I'm thinking of something to re-fill my original cobalt qube with, since one won't get a more beautiful housing these days ;-)

...and the original mipsel with the 32mb ram is a little underpowered.

want to run squezeserver + some mpd & stuff on it.

http://gnublin.org/index.php?title=Hauptseite

tiny little ARM computer, where you might be able to understand the hardware and do some coding..

Thu Jan 12 2012 02:59:48 PM EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

Dec 19 2011 11:56pm from ax25 @uncnsrd
Would love to do a day of pair programming with you fleeb!  (Hope
that does not sound to gay!)--- PPS - hope you are not gay,  I am
from a generation and don't think it is.

Ax25

Sorry, that had me laughing a lot. :-)

I need to lay off the sauce when posting in future :-)

hm, ford a little late to the party? or some bug?

heh, just found in the RSS feed:

As mobile devices become a major development platform, scripting languages are beginning to fall out of favor.

http://drdobbs.com/mobile/232400093

though there still are c-carpet and java on phones. well. I wouldn't exactly call that "scripting languages are beginning to fall out of favour"

the webcit templating engine also offers an effective way around.

it merely uses hard coded formatstrings to add a %d to strings.

though i'm not yet done with templating everything ;-)

http://events.ccc.de/congress/2011/Fahrplan/events/4817.en.html

whew. creating sort of a programming language backend, that takes format string exploits from carefuly handcrafting to an automated generation of code therefore..

*giggles* yea bingo ;)

I think the size of the switch statement mustn't exceed a certain size, else callback functions are the better choice.

http://code.citadel.org/?p=citadel.git&a=blob&h=94777828a5974c6f9e7229a97c765b7a8531beb3&hb=ae6cddd2ff16f7056db3c773a96f20bc77f5d2c3&f=citadel/event_client.c

i'd say here we have some edge cases *chuckles*

also some code who could use some review. so, comments welcome.

Would love to do a day of pair programming with you fleeb!  (Hope that does not sound to gay!)--- PPS - hope you are not gay,  I am from a generation and don't think it is.

Ax25

Agreed.  A switch statement is less evil compiled.

Not sure why a series of if statements is evil per say, (seems like a goto of old....)

Ax25.

Fri Dec 16 2011 13:58:09 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

Anybody who has a problem with strings of ifs all toegther in a row in anything other than a really tight loop sequence has really no concept of how fucking fast cpus really are nowadays.

anybody claiming this doesn't have a clue how branch prediction works.

it also depends on the cost of the decision evaluated by the if; i.e. strcmp's aren't that cheap if its a dozend of them in a row.

Tue Dec 13 2011 14:56:14 EST from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

Ahhhh, ok. I've informally called those if-ladders.

oh... and I must admit I created the name "rumpelstilskin lookup" as an homage to the brothers grimms fairy tale, about the little guy skipping around his fire place...

and... the guy asking it for his name with several (dumb) successless attempts to guess its name (though he knows its name)

well, and yes, that name should show a little disrespect of the authors of such beasts.

Tue Dec 13 2011 14:56:14 EST from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

Ahhhh, ok. I've informally called those if-ladders.

And I had the same impression about those web sites. I looked through them trying to find some examples of the coding techniques they're suggesting, but couldn't find any. Then I realized they wanted me to sign up and pay for a course to learn those techniques.

Doing a quick google about the code snippet you posted, bart, would lead me to think that the code could be redone by using foo as an index into a table of function pointers.
Spell

original: ~600 lines with html in it

http://code.citadel.org/?p=citadel.git&a=blob&h=bd60ecb3d3f19c7b03f2a26d473a565cb1d94e7c&hb=d193489281ea51b1f323c1e81a775c88f8cf97ca&f=messages.c

switched version...: ~400 lines

http://code.citadel.org/?p=citadel.git&a=blob&h=ff87641bf0412999c7658d12f95b8241737c011a&hb=3539de2162e0c4bc1ea804e0cd5bc667d39aa8d1&f=webcit/messages.c

handlered version (as its now): ~150 lines

http://code.citadel.org/?p=citadel.git&a=blob&h=5ae3eb0d491601d2e4d5c6c51e01a534e715c41e&hb=fa5cd0e6595d211591cc8eebfa81874b03b6162d&f=webcit/messages.c

Mon Dec 12 2011 14:15:40 EST from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

Rumpelstiltskin lookup?

if foo==1 {

} else if foo ==2 {

} else if foo == 3 {

}....

while readable maybe true up to half a dozend ones, it usualy grows more over time, and performance drops.

maintaineability also grows harder over time.

and once you reach 3 layers of if / loops/ etc inside of such a rumpelstilskin lookup, or even a second layer of rumpelstilskin lookup, maintaineability grows to a nitemare.

for that reason the linux kernel has a styleguide for the maximum depth  in braces through the 8 tabs indention and a maximum of 80 columns, and a limited number of lines per function.

for example

webcit/messages.c:readloop()

was in such a state, where you wouldn't be able to tell from reading through it whether touching a line would introduce bugs in one of the message views by reading through it on and on.

I wouldn't say its perfect now, plus you still have to read a lot to understand it, but once you did all that reading, its a pretty safe guess which code belongs to which view, and where to look for bugs in the webinterface.

btw, these both websites are most of just marketing blurb for a special consulting company ;-) but the title is nice to ignite discussions.

I don't see what the big deal is with using "IF" in programming, as long as it's not a massive program. For my uses (small php-based pages, or cms), I see no real reason to move away from using IF's since they don't really get in the way.

For larger programs, though, object-oriented logic seems much easier to scale and change than hard IF statements..

I guess I'm kinda on the fense for that one...

http://www.antiifcampaign.com/

Rumpelstilskin lookups go away!

http://www.antiifschool.com/

found in the feeds...

http://linux-news.org/index.php/2011/11/10/how-to-debug-bash-scripts/

did you know the line number parts?

In large scripts, it may be helpful to prefix this debugging output with the script name, line number and function name. You can do this by setting the following environment variable:

export PS4='+${BASH_SOURCE}:${LINENO}:${FUNCNAME[0]}: '

Let’s trace our example script again to see the new debugging output:

$ bash -x example_script.sh +example_script.sh:2:: echo 'Hello ayman,' Hello ayman,

so... theres a python solution for it..

I have absolutely no clue about those tools, I merely use them when I write ebuilds for gentoo. And there are only really few tarballs out their which don't need some patching and throwing of options in order to configure and build properly. Most of them seem to have been tried only on the coders own computer. So the "auto" is kind of a sick joke, like the "easy" is in the MS world.

I recently found out about WAF, which is so ubar, you ship a version of the waf script with your tarball instead of relying on a version isntalled on your system. Samba4 uses it, also some other bigger tools.

http://code.google.com/p/waf/

Mon Oct 17 2011 23:58:00 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

this was years ago, of course; maybe they've got their act together
now. 

# Copyright (c) 20011 by IGnatius T Foobar

so you're ahead of your time just a little bit...

Mon Oct 17 2011 16:25:56 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

scripts for you, is just as confusing as autoconf itself. Our build
was completely broken for weeks when we tried to switch to it.

Not even aahz's fault... probably mine.

nope, mine.

Mon Oct 10 2011 20:45:13 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

Well the Qt world has got CMake etc. autoconf has its niceties and
it's probably the right thing for some projects that want portability

to a wide array of obscure archs. (And it was fun to learn, back in the

I remember the first time around when you tried to explain it to me, and I didn't get it then, and I don't get it now.
I'm glad it's one of those things that I ignored and it went away so I'll never have to bother with it. Kinda like corba.

well, since the whole stuff around kde has got it, it won't go away as easy as corba. (which I have to deal with at work...)

It seems also to produce more easily portable builds, for example libical is bi-headed; its got configure for *nix, but also cmake for *nix and windows.

I must admit after taking the time to get that autofoo stuff figured out, I don't bother to change atm.

At least autofoo just requires a running shell on the build host, while cmake has to be installed, which disqualifies it for citadel.

Depends on what your definition of "was" was.  

I think boost has a c++ class called a 'tribool', where it's true, false, or in a third state.

I also recall creating such an object in Smalltalk while I was in college.

There are some good uses for something like that.  But, admittedly, not a lot of uses.

https://wiki.fsfe.org/CloudComputing

Alternatives to facebook...

exactly.

works great for php.

kinda like the "isset" value.

if (isset($foo)) {
echo "This var is set so I will print.";
}

like if someone does like somephpfile.php?foo=1 then it'll follow the option that foo set. if it's undefined by a post value, then it'll ring in as false and skip that if or isset statement and move on to the next options.

and you can expand that further by adding cases or additional if's in there like

if (isset($foo)) {
if ($foo==1) {
echo ]]>http://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Programming?start_reading_at=3024702Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:35:30 +05003024702@Uncensored

Meh, gotta love/hate dynamic languages like Groovy.

if (foo)

does not necessarily mean the same thing as:

if (foo == true)

!

And the first test does what?  Return true if foo is defined, regardless of its value?

I suppose it's nice to have such a thing as "undefined" (but we can use null pointers for that too)

oh, cool you can switch it to dvorak on the original site..

http://www.patrick-wied.at/projects/heatmap-keyboard/

Most Pressed Keys and Programming Syntaxes

http://www.mahdiyusuf.com/post/9947002105/most-pressed-keys-and-programming-syntaxes

Thu Sep 08 2011 11:54:14 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

good reason not to use dependancy files. :-)

yea. better use ant. *yak*

lessons learned today:

if you move a header file around, and don't clean up the dependency files, make aborts beforehand compiling the .c files referencing it without any errormessage.

took me around 2 hours to find out.

http://railslove.com/weblog/2011/09/05/json-schema-baby/

hm.

now this is cool:

http://blog.holdenkarau.com/

a bot that spiders github, and searches for spelling mistakes, clones the project in which he finds some, and sends a push request to the owner...

Fri Aug 26 2011 10:40:58 PM EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

Actually, CrazyEddy, it won't. You'll get 500 lines as expected.

The whole printf(); statement is regarded as a 'block' following the for() statement, because the for() statement didn't open a block with the '{' character (or close it with the '}' character).

Compile it for yourself and see.

<+1> :) exactly. I compiled it and ran debug. It's exactly as you state. It treats the printf(); as its own block before continuing to the return 0, even with the {} missing

hm, so I've learned about di & trigraphs today:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Digraphs_and_trigraphs#C

guess I will never use them.

Looking back on that, I have a habit of overcomplicating things huh?

I scrapped it and just placed a .htaccess in the /admincp/ directory that only allows my ip address, and a select few others, and 403's everyone elses...

should have done that from the beginning...

-- 
Stephen D King
skpacman8629@gmail.com

"Real programs don't eat cache."

-- 
Stephen D King
skpacman8629@gmail.com

got it to, er.. work i guess.

Had to hook it a back-handed way since vBulletin does output buffering, you can't actually do an include() to a flat file, you have to find just the right plugin, hook spot, and code to get anything custom to show up.

I ended up making a custom plugin that detects if someone tries to log into the admin panel using one of the admin accounts, but fails. It then shows the to-be-hacker a message saying they'll be banned shortly, sends me an e-mail that has his IP address and other information, posts the IP and exact local timestamp to a log file, then waits for me to ban the person.

Working like a back-handed, slightly backwards, and half-assed charm :)

-- 
Stephen D King
skpacman8629@gmail.com

so... i got a script working that creates a line in a .log file every time it's accessed.... now i just have to find where in the massive amount of .php files in the admincp area of vbulletin to incorporate it... here's the code and file location..

CODE:

<?php
//define file name
$filename = './accesslog.log';
//save IP address to variable
if ($_SERVER['HTTP_CLIENT_IP'])
$visitorIP = $_SERVER['HTTP_CLIENT_IP'];
if ($_SERVER['HTTP_X_FORWARDED'])
$visitorIP = $_SERVER['HTTP_X_FORWARDED'];
if ($_SERVER['HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR']) // when behind proxy
$visitorIP = $_SERVER['HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR'];
$visitorIP = $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'];
//save access date and time to variable
$today = date("F j, Y, g:i a");
$content = $visitorIP . " , " . $today . "\n";
// Let's make sure the file exists and is writable first.
if (is_writable($filename)) {
// In our example we're opening $filename in append mode.
// The file pointer is at the bottom of the file hence
// that's where $somecontent will go when we fwrite() it.
if (!$handle = fopen($filename, 'a')) {
echo "Cannot open file ($filename)";
exit;
}
// Write $somecontent to our opened

File: http://forum.muvalhalla.com/admincp/acpaccess.php

arg. im losing my mind trying to make a custom log file.

So, I'm running vBulletin 4.1.0 on one of my web servers and recently i've caught people on my admin panel that weren't supposed to be on there.

I want to log ALL access to ./admincp directory to a file that I can monitor elsewhere on my server.

I also want this to be either .htaccess or .php based...

Ideas?

-- 
Stephen D King
skpacman8629@gmail.com

*roflamao*

http://www.addedbytes.com/blog/if-php-were-british/

now... wheres davew? ;-)

good one :)

I actually sucked at programming of any kind in those days, I was barely starting to use computers for more than just photo editing and word processing.

Nowdays, I'm doing good to figure out and manipulate someon elses' code... I can barely get beyond Hello World when writing my own.

Thus why my chosen career path is technical drafting. CAD/CAM systems are my favorite thing to mess with and that's how I get paid, and what I went to school for... but that's for a different topic. ;)

-- 
Stephen D King
skpacman8629@gmail.com

not likely... this was in my high-school C++ class....

-- 
Stephen D King
skpacman8629@gmail.com

even better... the foxtrot comic has <stdio.h> where as i typed <studio.h>...  another for off-by-one....

I either misstyped it or flashed back to my old days.

I looked through some old programming notes and my teacher wrote why we used studio. we ran a virtualized "studio" that handled the IO for the programs we wrote, just in case someone tried to write something malicious, so the headers were always studio.... interesting how one letter can mean a world of difference.

-- 
Stephen D King
skpacman8629@gmail.com

... but I doubt there's any such header file as <studio.h>

We actually used <studio.h> when I was programming C++ in high-school. I didn't fully understand programming at the time, so I knew absolutely nothing of that header's function. I was required to put it on all of my assignments and programs though...

-- 
Stephen D King
skpacman8629@gmail.com

the "Foxtrot" comic strip did one similar to my previous coding joke... that's where I got the idea.

http://cdn.svcs.c2.uclick.com/c2/efe56a705e32012ee3bf00163e41dd5b --or-- http://bit.ly/qU3CvM

-- 
Stephen D King
skpacman8629@gmail.com

and i think i forgot a semicolon in there somewhere... Spot the Mistake, Round 2!

yet another one of my punny programming jokes corrected by someone who knows better than me...

#include <studio.h>

int main(void)

{

int count;

for(count=1;count<=500;count++)

printf("I will check my code jokes before posting.\n");

return 0;

}

-- 
Stephen D King
skpacman8629@gmail.com

Tue Aug 16 2011 16:10:00 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

10 HOME
20 SWEET
30 GOTO 10

]RUN

]SYNTAX ERROR IN 10

10 HOME
20 SWEET
30 GOTO 10

Fr Aug 12 2011 08:30:58 EDT von dothebart @ Uncensored

 

Fr Aug 12 2011 08:26:26 EDT von dothebart @ Uncensored

WHUT?

http://kerneltrap.org/node/2067

no, I tihnk...

oh, and I especialy like...

"The fact is, C++ compilers are not trustworthy. They were even worse in
1992, but some fundamental facts haven't changed: 1) the whole C++ exception handling thing is fundamentally broken. It's _especially_ broken for kernels. 2) any compiler or language that likes to hide things like memory allocations behind your back just isn't a good choice for a kernel. 3) you can write object-oriented code (useful for filesystems etc) in C, _without_ the crap that is C++."

 

point 3, since we're exactly  doing much of that with citadel these days.

We emulate some more of the c++ features:

- static constructors & objects by shellscripts autogenerating code

-  automatic destruction by callback functions when handing objects (pointers to complex arrays) into lists

we don't have

- polymorphic functions, which I like, but one can circumvent them by naming consequently, and cleaning up types, plus some macros adapting types (HKEY, SKEY,...)

- operator overloading - which I realy hate, because of it makes it impossible to see the complexity of a simple line of code and makes profiling a nightmare

- templating, which in some cases can be done by casts, but I don't like it that much anyways.

Fr Aug 12 2011 08:26:26 EDT von dothebart @ Uncensored

WHUT?

http://kerneltrap.org/node/2067

no, I tihnk...

WHUT?

over the years more and more programming techniques, which were developed with other languages, have also become common ground in C.

I don't think the average modern C programm looks the same way as they did 20 years ago.

kortlin, just another "java done right on the same old java interpreter"

http://confluence.jetbrains.net/display/Kotlin/Hello%2C+world!

after scala, ceylon....

hm, libpokele is probably a bad sample to unwind and code after...

all missing in there at first short glance is templates.

hmz, most probably any external implementation of openid is very hard to run in an event driven model. For that reason i'd vote against an external library.

*snigger*  Or, found a way to redirect the Circle+ users to Facebook and the Facebook users to Circle+.

https://github.com/voloko/facebook-circles

implementing parts of the google+ interface on top of facebook..

well, thats probably what for example apple (and others) wants, so they can closely bind it into their IDE...

but... since even microsoft has been giving away their C-Compiler for free for several years now... so does intel with their ICC and sun (oracle) with their Sun-Studio...

I guess its just getting harder to ask a price from customers for the compiler itself...

and... the number of software you can compile with this compiler without having to correct all those little quirks we all know...

I think their marketing aproach changed from "people wanting high performance binaries will come to us" to "people knowing the good performance of our compiler will come to us once they have serious business and need services like special tuning"

if its high end computing, those tunings can probably save you reasonable expensive time on clusters and such.

so... another compiler in da house?

http://www.pathscale.com/ekopath4-open-source-announcement

lets see when the source follows the anouncement.

*gngn* where was the original discussion at?

fleeb, I get this:

gcc base_xx.cpp -o test1
In file included from /usr/include/c++/4.5/unordered_map:35:0,
from base_64.h:18,
from base_xx.cpp:5:
/usr/include/c++/4.5/bits/c++0x_warning.h:31:2: error: #error This file requires compiler and library support for the upcoming ISO C++ standard, C++0x. This support is currently experimental, and must be enabled with the -std=c++0x or -std=gnu++0x compiler options.
In file included from base_xx.cpp:5:0:
base_64.h:285:12: error: 'unordered_map' in namespace 'std' does not name a type
base_64.h:476:4: error: 'char_lookup_t' does not name a type
base_64.h: In member function 'int tvr::decode::base_64::decode_value(char)':
base_64.h:451:10: error: '_alphabet_map' was not declared in this scope
base_64.h:455:5: error: 'char_lookup_t' has not been declared
base_64.h:455:35: error: expected ';' before 'found'
base_64.h:456:10: error: 'found' was not declared in this scope
base_64.h:456:19: error: '_alphabet_map' was not d

and the other one... no main?

gcc cdecode.c -o test
/usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/crt1.o(.debug_info): relocation 0 has invalid symbol index 11
/usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/crt1.o(.debug_info): relocation 1 has invalid symbol index 12
/usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/crt1.o(.debug_info): relocation 2 has invalid symbol index 2
/usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/crt1.o(.debug_info): relocation 3 has invalid symbol index 2
/usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/crt1.o(.debug_info): relocation 4 has invalid symbol index 11
/usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/crt1.o(.debug_info): relocation 5 has invalid symbol index 13
/usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/crt1.o(.debug_info): relocation 6 has invalid symbol index 13
/usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/crt1.o(.debug_info): relocation 7 has invalid symbol index 13
/usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/crt1.o(.debug_info): relocation 8 has invalid symbol i ]]>http://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Programming?start_reading_at=2984339Tue, 24 May 2011 15:16:45 +05002984339@Uncensoredhttp://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Programming?start_reading_at=2983920Mon, 23 May 2011 17:13:13 +05002983920@Uncensored

well, maybe just a browser plugin therefore?

since they're intending to get those fat localy cached webapps maybe thats the way to go?

depends. probably node.js allows you to.

lol.

10:58  yath: ah ja, http://git.gnome.org/browse/frogr/commit/?id=d20b4b7679a64349c09b611b6376f20bfa4fb1d2

oh, just another language for the java interpreter: groovy bringing syntax from python/ruby/... like closures

http://www.google.com/search?q=messageid+site%3Ajwz.org&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a

in general the MTA/MDA must just add its ip to the list, and not delete/modify other headers.

If you're using MS RFCViolator Server edition... dunno.

Ceylon, the next Java done right Programminglanguage to run on the Java interpreter:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B7IgMTLsf_SzODkwNGRmYTQtODMyYy00NjhjLTkyZTQtMzBhZmY5NDFjMzMy&hl=en&authkey=CNy76dkK

and before you ask, no every other interpreted language around, c-carpet, scala, python, ruby to name just a few of them, didn't cut it.

What if the library or service contains object names with obvious spelling errors?  That drives me crazy!

blargh... since when did mozilla make firefox so damn critical of where you put a <tbody>?!? IE, Opera, Chrome, and Safari didn't care, why did Firefox4?

Mi Mär 30 2011 13:09:41 EDT von Ford II @ Uncensored Betreff: Re:

linkeage, clang can do better optimization across .o borders (like
inline functions...), which GCC can't by definition.

Yeah, I read that somewhere. What a load of shit. That works well only if you completely ignore the efficiency lost TO AN ENTIRE LAYER OF INTERPRETATION.
Their argument that they can find better optimizations by writing to a uniform interpreter takes away ANY possibility of optomizing for the actual platform you're running on.
programmers have turned into politicians, and all politicians are assholes.

we'll see whether they manage to catch up in performance with GCC ;-P until that the GCC developers have something to stare at in their rearview mirror (in performance) and something to catch up to (in better error messages)

in other points, it even finds some more errors, which one might have to search with valgrind otherwise.

yes. clang was started out as a research project, c/c++ are compiled into intermediate code (which you could deliver as sort of the usual firmware BLOB)

it has some possibilities to find more errors by code analysis, and it has the ability to give you error messages that realy point you to all aspects of an error not just give you a vague idea what it is, and leaves the rest upon your interpretation; Take for example a header with a class with missing semicolon as last thing: class foo {}<EOF> GCC will report the error in your next include. Clang also does a much better job of unwinding defines and tell you where you have errors within them or their useage. Next due to the late linkeage, clang can do better optimization across .o borders (like inline functions...), which GCC can't by definition.

next to that GCC got a little old and clumsy, even the re-merged EGCS doesn't have left much of its effect to bring the will of innovation. Two years ago GCC was a little like IE6 in 2005: its there, its got the market dominance and there were no real alternatives, its sort of like all monopolies are bad, even in opensource. Now theres CLANG to have other ways to find a way ahead, which might bear innovations, which GCC developers might not even think about, just because of its complicated to implement in their code-base.

So, you see there are several good reasons to have CLANG around, be its compiled code more effective than gcc or not.

re: FreeTDS

So, apparently xampp for linux already comes bundled with freetds, all i had to do is go into the config file and add the instance to the dsn list... huh, go figure

i got FreeTDS to connect using unixODBC installed from the standard ubuntu repos.

now if i could figure out how to get apache (xampp) to connect with the dsn i set up in freetds...... hmm..

Ok, i've yet again come back to the programming guru's here at UCG to ask for some help.

I need to connect my local apache server to a remote mssql database.

Some background info:

Ubuntu 10.10
Xampp (latest version) - http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html
remote sql server: Microsoft SQL Server 2008 (Enterprise Evaluation Edition)

So far, i found this article that describes how to use ODBC, but i've had no luck getting the apache server to recognize the odbc connection.

If anyone has an easy way, please share it. Otherwise, I'll keep dinking with it until I find a way to work.

Do Mär 24 2011 23:10:44 EDT von IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

I also heard that Apple is forking GCC and Samba because Mister Jobs does not like the GPL3.

they're doing CLANG because of that. Ta ke a look at the appstore and its legal footnotes what apple thinks about freedom. didn't hear about samba yet though...

As such, DOM represents mixed content like this:

Mo Mär 07 2011 14:04:23 EST von Ford II @ Uncensored

Does nobody even QUESTION how fucked up it is in the first place that we have to discuss different bloated libraries as solutions for dealing with it?
It's so plain broken I can't imagine why anybody uses it. It's sole purpose makes no sense. SOAP uses xml in a terribly complicated way so that it becomes unreadable by humans, yet the point of xml is to be at least somewhat human readable. The entire premise is flawed.

the problem is, XML is neither human readable nor machine readable.

hm, thats html, not xml. I don't think its legal in xml.

Mi Mär 02 2011 15:05:02 EST von Spell Binder @ Uncensored

Re: WSDL and web services.

There's one thing (well, maybe more than one thing, but I'll start with one) that I'm not sure I get about WSDL and web services, and this might also apply to CORBA's IDL as well.

What's the real point?

What does a formal XML-based description of your APIs really buy you? If you develop a library, for example, for converting pictures of marshmallows into pictures of toasted marshmallows, you would expect that someone looking for such a service would develop their application towards your API. In other words, they're going to write their application assuming that certain operations, like foo, bar, and baz, are going to be present. Given that, the one advantage I can see to something like WSDL or an IDL is that it tells you what data types are being used, so your application can convert to the proper types, if needed.

To take this a step further, let's say that you're going to provide a service that already has a standardized API. That means the operations your service provides, and the parameters they accept and generate are pretty much already defined. Any application written for that standard API is going to expect those operations to exist, so the service will be written towards that. Another place where something like WSDL could be useful is in cases where portions of the API or API parameters are optional. A WSDL document could then let the application know what features are supported.

Is that what it's all about? Automatic identification and conversion of data types, and the ability to assess a service's feature set? Or is there supposed to be more to WSDL than that?
DL Binder

In general stuff like soap or IDL was intended to provide an interface between proprietary software.

IDL/Corba was a victum of open half baked standards with interoperability problems and design by comite.

$employer has its own implementation, even with some licensees.

Its right now used to scale stuff across several boxes or to include external libs in its own component.

Right now it introduces the natural problems, that network roundtrips are expensive.

so, scalability is bought at the cost of performance (not as much as if you use for example tomcat ;-)

SOAP was introduced by microsoft to get rid of stuff like IDL, COM or whatever else middleware shit was in their way.

for some reason the java community took on the soap stuff pretty well, maybe because of they like xml and the concept of scaling at the cost of performance ;-)

SOAP has one big advantage: you can extend interfaces, and talk to remote parts that don't use / have this extension yet.

this isn't possible with IDL, since once you have it and you have external components relieing on your IDL, its carved in stone.

while IDL was intended to

spell, I was just a little trolling.

WSDLs are just sort of CORBA-IDL expressed in XML. and, of course WSDL is just a bunch of DTDs.

btw, I like what you can do with SOAP-UI.

oh, and wrap everything into a mime structure.

thats where the XML usually switches over to have attachments which are just referenced inside of the XML by attachment id.

and because of dtd's shortcommings we've got wsdl.

Google still offers those day-glo servers that you can put in your own data center to "enhance" your site's searchability, but I don't think as many people need them now that they've made it easy to submit sitemaps.  Pretty much every CMS in the world has the ability to generate a sitemap.xml now, and all of the search engines use the same format.

For those that dont speak in acronyms:

EBCDIC:  http://bit.ly/CCC34

Recently, I was forced to realize the importance of a collation call-out (or lack thereof) in a MSSQL query in PHP.......

http://framethink.wordpress.com/2011/01/17/how-facebook-ships-code/

interesting.

Di Jan 18 2011 14:13:54 EST von LoanShark @ Uncensored Betreff: Re:

there are wireshark pulgins to make them human readable.

Clearly this discussion is about the implementation of new protocols as well. Do you really want to have to write your own wireshark plugin just to have a chance of understanding something you designed yourself?

give wireshark the asn1 description, and you're done. Don't know whether you need to recompile or not, but most of wiresharks protocol analyzers are done with asn.1

So Jan 16 2011 23:23:04 EST von LoanShark @ Uncensored

Complaining about bandwidth inefficiency in HTTP strikes me as rather misguided.



It's just a few bytes in the header. Supports binary transfer modes. On the whole, quite effiecient.

There is a reason why protocols should be mostly human-readable: people have to develop in them.

there are wireshark pulgins to make them human readable.

plus it doesn't have any kind of RFC attached to it, which it should.

plus, it also does require HTTP again, which is waste of bandwith.

plus, it most probably can be expressed in ASN.1, and is therefore redundand.

Di Jan 04 2011 12:32:41 EST von Ford II @ Uncensored Betreff: Re:

yay, lets propogate the mess even more.

I prefer mess about chatty bullshit.

plus, json has one advance above xml: its utf8 by default which eases parser creation.

if you want a better alternative, use ASN1.

just waiting how long it will take to have a standardization to access other parts of a surrounding mime container from json.

that'd be the only good reason for soap to continue to exist the way it is now.

wsdl already managed to become interpretation agnostic; nowadays you can describe also non-xml based structures with it.

starting to hate c++.

was examing nodejs.org and znc to find out how they use c-ares.

its that hard to read, you have to know 5 places to understand whats going on in one.

basicaly I first failed because of I didn't test whether the  migration libevent -> libev was successfull *GNGN*

oh, and now that i've decided to switch from libevent to libev for performance reasons, I've found more reasons to do so: its threadsafe and allows to have several event loops in your program in several simultaneous threads; so if libev is going to become the master of our FDs in some uncertain future, we're mounting the right horse here.

heh... probably as silly as gemaltos legal office has taken the chance to prove itself as usefully by attacking google with some patents they did about java running on embedded devices in the 90ies.

my current guess (and hopes though employed there):  those patents will go void.

and since 'java' is a word for coffee and we have trademarks here and trademarks are a little different, I think there is no big point in starting legal actions here except for over-pricing the attacked entity...

anyways, the official name is 'ECMA-Script' after all, right?

interesting...  the ruby community also starts to drift into the direction of http://nodejs.org/ :

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1533243

(i'm currently plugging some of nodes foundation libraries into citserver; libev and c-ares...)

Mo Dez 20 2010 14:20:16 EST von Ford II @ Uncensored

Java has clearly jumped the shark with annotations.
I'd go on a rant about it, but you already know what I'm going to say.
I'm just surprised somebody hasn't written a recursive fibonacci figured-outer with annotations rather like has been done with the C precompiler.

they call it code generators these days.

google for "don't repeat yourself" aka dry

you probably should have a look at what cirrus does with xscoar.

c just says, long >= int >= word....

19:49 @dothebart: cirrus: wo hastn du deinen android cross compiler toolchain her? aus embedian?
19:50 @cirrus: das offizielle ndk, bzw. der fork von crystax mit aktivierter libstdc++

-> using the NDK / the fork of crystax with activated libstdc+

which is probably what you need too, ford.

http://stacksmashing.net/2010/11/15/cracking-in-the-cloud-amazons-new-ec2-gpu-instances/

lol.

cookies why not - an interesting read:

http://lcamtuf.blogspot.com/2010/10/http-cookies-or-how-not-to-design.html

thunderbird is definitely an example for a not that bad imap client which wasn't derived from an adoption of an older pop3 client. Outlook is for example, which is why bynari replaces it entirely.

yep, even my samsung outdoor mobile has an imap client. (B2700) it seems as if most mobiles like imap, because of you can specify which chunk you want to see, so they can better handle their tight memory conditions...

ranting about IMAP... evolution won't read as much as it needs to work with if we don't send it in one chunk. WTF?

Fancy. while searching for usage of cunit, the 4th hit is a checkout of libcitadel:

http://www.google.com/search?q=CU_ASSERT

smart pointers are just here to corrupt your coding style, as garbage collection is.

if you don't know when you don't have use of your object anymore, your code is just in bad shape and you should go and do visual basic<fullstop>

“I wanted guards in office blocks to head to the source of suspicious noises” – really? Did I want dead guards to respond to suspicious noises? Did I want guards to walk right past the player himself on his way back from breaking a window, in order to investigate the breaking of the window? Did I want guards who are being blown out of a window by the force of an explosion to stop, mid-air, and tell the others: “Oh hey, I’m closest to that broken window I was just flung through, I’ll go check out what caused it”? Did I want the guard who just shot you to run to your dead body and try to solve your murder?

Actually I kind of do, but that’s probably another game.

It’s easy to code what you want. But you don’t really know what you want until you’ve tried to explain it to a very, very stupid person. That was Socrates’ thing, in fact: he acted like an idiot to make people explain themselves to him on the most basic level, which usually revealed they didn’t truly understand their own beliefs. These days we have silicon hyperidiots to explain things to. They’re able to be much more stupid, many more times a second, than Socrates ever was. Coding is the Socratic method as an extreme sport.

From: http://www.pentadact.com/index.php/2010-09-19-gunpoint-ai

agreed.  I contribute to stack overflow and server fault.  Not sure what or who wrote the bot to troll posts to make that xchanage crap.

yea, second that. most anoying site ever. google polution.

i've seen redmine over at froscon, which seems to be pretty sophisticated to also track times you spent on issues, and offers the ability to create workflows.

One of our bigger customer uses JIRA, they seem to be hapy with it.

we evolved from .xls for deffect lists to mantisse over here, and use it a little for workflow management too.

though mantisse sucks in time management, and getting workflows integrated which don't primary revolve around bugs.

We also had some bugzilla over here, which died long ago before I came here (and was replaced by these excel sheets...). And, to cite bonjovi, while bugzilla is one of the first free bugtrackers available, its bugzilla giving bugtrackers a bad name.

Thu Aug 26 2010 03:24:14 PM EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored Subject: Re:

I don't know what you just said, but ok.

Don't worry, a lot of people have that problem, it's part of the rite of passage of being able to play ball in this room.
I understand maybe 95-98% of what he says most of the time and Ihave to read 2 paragraphs of wikipedia to get the rest. :-)

Yeah sounds like a real sausage contest.

Thu Aug 26 2010 02:00:10 PM EDT from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

Hey, at least he's honest. :)

Said as in what point was said. foo.

Wed Aug 25 2010 12:18:37 AM EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

Python in its current state is, I believe, a modern interpreter but not precisely a compiler. Compiles to efficiently interpreted bytecode and uses a lot of "modern interpreter" techniques to interpret that, but still an interpreter. unladen-swallow should produce actual native code

The issue with projects like JWACS is that they're probably not so well tested. You can bet that any first class language implementation (whether it's a compiler or interpreter) is going to have a large test suite. JWACS needs to reify the whole language, but probably doesn't take advantage of the same test suite...

I don't know what you just said, but ok.

Mon Aug 23 2010 08:30:01 PM EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored Subject: Re:

Hygienic Macross: eval()

eval is an /interpreter/. Hygienic macros are a /compiler/.


In any case, an eval function that requires string arguments fails as a basic method of higher-order programming, let alone meeting the definition of a macro facility. Perl's eval comes closer; but it's still not macros.

From what I understand projects like commonjs will produce interpreter/compilers similiar to python; I'm not sure if this helps you or not.

Mon Aug 23 2010 08:31:06 PM EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored Subject: Re:

first class continuations in JavaScript: http://chumsley.org/jwacs/

Put it into the core language, then we'll talk. Source code transformers are cheating. You can implement anything you want as a source code transformation to C, but that doesn't mean C supports feature X.

Afaik it has to be available in the 'core language' in order to work, unless it's an entirely new JavaScript engine.

if you have

int a = b & (1<<12)

a might count as 'true', but if you then put it into unsigned char b, its false.

Sun Aug 22 2010 04:58:41 PM EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored Subject: Re:

Uh, JavaScript is Scheme in C's clothing. Python is Lisp , except
it's very slow. Lua is nice too, but a bit slow.

Uh, no. Last I checked, JavaScript didn't have hygienic macros or first-class continuations.


Also, it has syntax. Scheme has no syntax[1], only parentheses.

[1] http://www-mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html

Hygienic Macross: eval()

first class continuations in JavaScript: http://chumsley.org/jwacs/

Syntax:... is what you type, every language has syntax.

if its not safe where that integer is unequal zero, and you have cases where you're storing that if into something else (like a union or disc-storage) checking for != 0 might save you from loosing information.

so

a = (a != 0)

actualy may make sense.

Fri Aug 20 2010 08:11:43 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re:

Yeah, I've been looking around at the various "embeddable" language interpreters.
JavaScript is a language I like a lot, but all of the available interpreters are either clumsy, bloated, or bring a lot of baggage along with them. Scheme is designed for embedding but the language sucks. Python ... it's just too much. Lua seems like a nice small interpreter, is GPL-compatible, doesn't bring along any requirements other than itself, and the language seems reasonable.

I was wondering whether I'm missing any good candidates. Something with C-like syntax would be wonderful.

Uh, JavaScript is Scheme in C's clothing. Python is Lisp , except it's very slow. Lua is nice too, but a bit slow.

me still thinks a milter alike solution is the best way to go.

citserver is doing plenty a lot inline, bringing an interpreter into the game adds a real lot.

lua seems to be an often taken choice.

I'd rather prefer not to include it, but have something like a milter to forward certaint stuff to. So once a library for the other side is in place, and wrappers are there, you can use any language you like; plus it won't harm the server itself.

so, what does it say?

yes. with high frequent allocs/deallocs you get a C++ program down to the speed of a java...

follow the link for the one guy doing some optimization about less frequent allocs, zap! ten times faster again.

i'm missing c-carpet or mono here though.

Can I throw y'all off on a really awful detour for a little while?

Ok

What do all of you developer types think is the 'best' embeddable scripting extension language?  (Open source candidates only, please.)

what was that column for haskel on that matrix how programmers see each others?

Wed Aug 04 2010 04:38:07 PM EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored Subject: Re:

yes you can. I mean I see what you're saying, but you could write a better all purpose fat client.

No, hello! Multimedia Flash..Graphics, Sounds. 3 languages built in, unlimited page size, adobe... This isn't a better all purpose fat client?

I need to connect a Visual Fox Pro database to Access. Has anybody done this successfully? If so, what are the steps?

Thanks

You can't get more 'fat' than a browser.

Mo Jul 26 2010 16:54:58 EDT von Spell Binder @ Uncensored

Re: Garbage collection and multi-threading.

I was reading that the standard Haskell runtime has the same issue: i.e. the garbage collector has to stop all threads while it does its stuff. However, a new garbage collector is under development that will take advantage of multi-core CPUs and won't have to stop all threads when collecting.
Garbage Binder

I also heard its going to be released in some not to distant future. doing a hot race with the hurd ;-P

no, just kidding, no clue. I'm picking my own garbage.

didn't see it that way yet, but it realy mirrors what i've experienced:

My biggest beef with C++ is that everything it adds to C is designed to make code easier to write, and none of the things it adds are designed to make code easier to read.

I find C++ much harder to read than C. You can usually take a C program, and examine some function in it and right away more or less tell what it’s doing. It’s not typically couched in a mountain of invisible context. With C++, you’ve generally got to read a *lot* more code to be certain you’re really understanding what a given method is really doing.

And, I find that C++ programs tend to have about 50% of the complexity created by the problem domain, and about 50% added by the programmer to create some elaborate class hierarchy or network, whereas the comparable C program will be more like a 70/30 or 80/20 split, with the larger fraction of complexity due to the problem domain, and the lesser fraction introduced by the programmer. In other words, it seems to me that a typical C++ program will be carrying an extra load, and not a small load, of complexity which has nothing to do with the problem being solved.

http://blog.codeimproved.net/2010/07/whats-wrong-with-c/

hey, maybe some link for davew

http://developer.yahoo.net/blog/archives/2010/07/multicore_http_server_with_nodejs.html

I suppose a conference call could be productive if everyone on the call is adding some value.  Unfortunately that is seldom the case.

yea, java performance for testing & development is ok, but at realtime its just fast and slink.

but the boehm-gc debug won't show you uninitialized variable access as valgrind does for free while searching leaks.

now thats a cute list:

http://css.dzone.com/articles/how-be-worse-programmer

i'm still a big fan of no-GC. I don't even like smart pointers.

Since one has to learn how to do it anyways, i'd rather let valgrind tell me that my code structure was wrong and something was still accessed after freed, or not freed at all, than having to figure out why the GC doesn't do its job or drags down performance under certain circumstances...

IMNSHO his "fame" is not well-deserved.  He's a bitter, cranky loudmouth who thinks that the world should have elevated him to god status because he was a part of the early Netscape team.

he, theres the german saying

wer nix wird wird wirt.

which states exactly that, if you don't get a descent job, you'll end up running a pub.

hm, I don't think its that new?

I think he wrote it when they tried to change parts of netscape to java ;-P

hm, appearantly gmail know how to drag & drop upload attachment via modern browsers:

http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/tip-5-things-you-may-not-know-you-can.html

probably a thing to copy?

http://www.devtopics.com/101-great-computer-programming-quotes/

*roflamo*

i'd call all those code generator frameworks preprocessor too ;-)

So Jun 13 2010 21:05:43 EDT von LoanShark @ Uncensored

I guess it was only a matter of time:

http://projectlombok.org/features/index.html

just found a new ff plugin via reviewboard:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10869/

shows json structures nicely unwrapped and indented.

I think its the see-carpet crowd who started doing lexer for other languages; thoug we have several examples of this...

there was the contest between the perl and the python guys which one would first be able to execute source from the other language on its interpreter...

theres jython...

otos we have IronRuby, IronPython, C(++)/managed

So, the Clojure language compiles down to Java bytecode?

I've always wondered why the .NET camp kept saying that one advantage of .NET over Java was that they had multiple languages that all compiled down to the same bytecode, and Java doesn't.  Does this prove otherwise?  What is it about CLR that supposedly makes it more "common" than JVM?

http://muckandbrass.com/web/display/~cemerick/2010/06/07/Results+from+the+State+of+Clojure%252C+Summer+2010+Survey

another language backened by the java interpreter?

Something like

insert into catalog_product_entity_media_gallery (column, names, here) select foo, bar, baz, 70, entity_id, value from catalog_product_entity_varchar where entity_id in (...)

would probably be about right, depending on what "(index)" is and where it comes from.

http://agile.dzone.com/articles/survey-finds-developers-would  rather do taxes than test their software ;-)

looks like an sql injection invitation to me.

Just found a bunch of json toolies:

http://jsonformatter.curiousconcept.com/
http://braincast.nl/samples/jsoneditor/
http://json.parser.online.fr/

no. I took the wrong conclusion.

it was the java crap xml parser that didn't like linebreaks in the soap xml part.

so... multipart mime chunked http replies have to have the mime headers at the start of a chunk.

a little easier to find out with bash & netcat instead of real c-coding...

so we've got a new kid in town:

http://blog.llvm.org/2010/05/clang-builds-boost.html

as egcs showed way back open source monopolies aren't good either.