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[#] Tue Sep 18 2018 07:34:31 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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There's a reason that everything made you agree to new terms and conditions this past summer. It was GDPR. And if I was running a service in the EU and was storing data, even at no charge I might go visit a lawyer just to make certain I'm not in violation. Part of GDPR is the requirement of the service to be able to remove all details about a person on request. All references, etc... So I guess for bbs100 it would mean not only deleting the contact, but removing all posts, emails, PMs, etc....

[#] Wed Sep 19 2018 06:24:49 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Heh... 'remove all details about a person'... in software, that can be kind of fuzzy.

At least, worded that way.

I can remove anything identifying someone from our system, yet leave behind other information that is anonymized. This would allow us to follow what I hope is the spirit of GDPR without losing the value of the data in the first place (providing metrics that help us improve our courses).

Unless the spirit of GDPR is to fuck over companies.

In this kind of software, adhering to GDPR would require tagging information added by someone with an identifier for that person, then performing a lookup for anything by that person, compiling all of it into a huge blob of data (you can format it any way that makes sense), then remove it from your system to expunge someone from your system.

So, imagine someone has commented on a message. Then someone else comments on their comment. Under GDPR, you have to remove both messages, if I'm getting it right, which seems rather draconian, and perhaps unfair to the second person who might not want their message removed.

[#] Wed Sep 19 2018 10:40:37 EDT from winzlo @ Uncensored

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AFAIK, the biggest issue that has hindered most BBS's is that the data is not stored or transmitted in an encrypted format, making it able to be "hijacked" by evil dooers. If the reasons given for BBS100's demise were true, anyone running a web site with a shopping cart/payment system would also be in breach, unless they were 100% HTTPS on the front-end and using encrypted data transfers between any backend servers.

How would that ever be proven without someone calling a witch hunt and sniping a specific service to seize their assets and audit their compliance. I don't think anyone would bother - there are much larger issues to be dealt with than bullseyeing BBS's, whcih are already needle-in-a-haystack as they are.

Of course, dial-up itself is insecure, so that could be the primary focus of the reasoning given. But now I'm moving into speculation...

[#] Tue Sep 25 2018 09:49:03 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Walter (of bbs100) didn't go into detail about what exactly he believed had become illegal about running a small online community. I don't see how bbs100 , or Citadel (on which bbs100's user interface is modeled) could harbor any risk that isn't also borne by every web forum, every blog with a comments section, etc. One would think that if such a risk existed, he would have gone into detail about it, or at least he would have sent a message to other developers and site operators explaining the perceived risk.

Based on Walter's unexplained recusal from the community I have to assume one of two things happened: either someone/something spooked him into shutting down because he felt threatened, or he just didn't feel like bothering with it anymore and made up a lame excuse.

bbs100 had an interesting but limited design. It was a single threaded state machine that served up telnet sessions directly, without requiring the use of the host system's telnet server.
Based on that, it was very compact and very portable. But it was also an evolutionary dead end, which is why Walter had begun work on something he called bbs101, a multithreaded server with a database back end. Does that sound familiar? :) That project was binned as well, presumably for the same "reason".

[#] Tue Sep 25 2018 11:40:59 EDT from winzlo @ Uncensored

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Maybe he was told that he had a warrant for his arrest by the IRS for tax farud. You know how fun those calls are to lead down a black hole? :) "Oh my goodness, what must I do to not be put in prison? How much money will it take for me to be safe again?" Mooahahaha...

[#] Wed Oct 03 2018 11:41:30 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Ugh... those IRS tax fraud guys from India call me entirely too often (meaning: at all).

As do all the individual looking for Sandi Owens from Cumberland, MD. Whoever that is. May she rot in hell.

[#] Fri Oct 05 2018 15:15:19 EDT from Freakdog @ Uncensored

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Wed Oct 03 2018 11:41:30 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

Ugh... those IRS tax fraud guys from India call me entirely too often (meaning: at all).

I had to move to Comcast when I moved into my new (to me) house...their VOIP offering includes Nomorobo, which has done an admirable job of screening out most of these fraud calls.

On my cell (AT&T Mobility), I'm using the AT&T Call Protect app, which has been doing a pretty good job between its own database and my manual entries.

[#] Fri Oct 05 2018 15:45:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Nomorobo works on any telephone service that supports "simultaneous ring" (pretty much all the VoIP ones). It's free. So all of the consumer telcos have figured out that they can "offer it" as part of their service but it's really just them pointing you to it.

Nomorobo's free service makes your phone ring once before they seize the call and drop it. That uses simultaneous ring. The service that they *sell* to carriers is the one where the carrier can query their database first and make a determination about whether to put a call through or drop it.

Deepest condolences to you for having to use Comcast.

[#] Mon Oct 08 2018 10:48:04 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I'm guess, then, having a real wire phoneline works against me in this regard.

[#] Mon Oct 08 2018 11:50:22 EDT from Freakdog @ Uncensored

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Fri Oct 05 2018 15:45:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Deepest condolences to you for having to use Comcast.

Thanks...I'm hoping that some other options come through in the near(ish) future.

[#] Thu May 23 2019 18:36:02 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Some number of months ago, we completed the removal of inter-node mail and room sharing from the Citadel system. This roughly coincided with the shutdown of The Dog Pound, a site with we'd been networking for decades; it was one of the first to join the network and the very last to leave.

So technically there is no more "IGnet" -- and I'm not really interested in starting up another network that depends on our own protocol to work. That concept had dialup assumptions baked into its DNA, even though we ran it over the Internet for many years.

However, we are regularly accosted by folks who are interested in sharing content, and as has been pointed out many times, if you're not one of the big Social Pravda Networks, you want to reach the biggest audience you can get to. I think the modern term wouldn't really be "networking" but rather "syndication".

I'm interested in hearing any ideas. It can't be Citadel specific, though. Ideally I'd like to be able to syndicate in BOTH directions between Citadel and other software.
For example, if I have a buddy with a Wordpress blog, I'd like the comments to sync in both directions. There have got to be other people trying this sort of thing. If any of them have taken hold even a little, we should explore it.

For Citadel-to-Citadel, we could probably share rooms by having two sites scrape each other's RSS feeds. I'd probably have to throw in a little hack to do split horizon (don't send another node its own messages, and/or filter out incoming messages that originated locally).

And of course there's always NNTP. I don't even know where one would get a "real" newsfeed anymore (as opposed to an access account on someone else's server).

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